KNUS: Obama's Forged Birth Certificate; Selective Service Card; Media Blackout(MCSO leak?)

BirtherReport.com ^ | February 19, 2014 | Mike Volin interviewed by Peter Boyles

[Seizethecarp]

From Sharon Rondeau's notes on the audio of Boyles' interview of Volin at the link:

Regarding his Sheriff’s Kits, Volin said “I have doctors calling me and asking for 20 copies.” He said that Obamacare is slashing work hours and that people are “getting angry” about Obama’s actions, which then translate to their looking harder at the questions surrounding Obama.

In response to Boyles’s question about an announcement from the Cold Case Posse next month, Volin responded that new information will be released, perhaps in “the middle of March,” and that prosecutions will follow. In December, Tea Party Power Hour host and citizen researcher Mark Gillar had announced the same in a video sent to The Post & Email.

[little jeremiah]

When you say “his mother”, do you have some evidence of who that was? I assume you mean Stanley Ann Dunham. Do you have some evidence other than the public ad copy?

[noinfringers2]

I do take Stanley Ann Dunham to be Obama’s mother. There are numerous reports as to this connection and most important of all as to the relationship are the published reports of Obama taking the time to go back to Hawaii and caretake Dunham’s death and burial at sea. From what I have learned it was Stanly Ann by name who was a big factor in Obama’s life and he paid homage to such.

[little jeremiah]

You are not looking at all deeply into the topic. Took the time to “caretake” her death etc?

You think he would ignore doing that for a cutout “mother”? Where did you learn that “Stanly Ann” was a big factor in his life? The book Ayers wrote?

The only “numerous reports” about the connection are in the mythology book Ayers wrote and propaganda pieces.

There. Is. No. Actual. Evidence.

All documentation is forged, missing, blacked out, and so on. No momma and baby photos. No one ever saw momma pregnant in HI, or even in HI until around 1963. No birth records anywhere. No one has come forward to say they saw her with baby Zero except Susan Blake in Seattle which is not in the narrative and leads to a lot of very interesting evidence that takes apart the myth rather than support it.

You need to empty your cup if you want to know the facts about Zero’s parentage.

BTW there is a photo of SAD and baby Maya with Madelyn Dunham. Funny no SAD photo with baby Zero etc.

[Seizethecarp]

“I do take Stanley Ann Dunham to be Obama’s mother.”

There is plenty of evidence that Stanley Ann is Barry’s mom and NO evidence that any other woman is his mom that I have seen.

I even started a thread inviting submission of any trace of evidence against Stanley Ann and for any other woman, such as the Lebanese actress, Valerie Sarruf.

Here is that thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2913366/posts

“For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!

“Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.”

[little jeremiah]

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah etc

[Seizethecarp]

As it happens, the unfolding crash and burn of Obamacare (which will get MUCH worse) may do in the progressive mafia for a decade. This eventuality will pave the way for Dems to embrace Arpaio’s Posse and MCSO evidence and turn on Barry for self-preservation.

[WildHighlander57]

See outline here :

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3121028/posts?page=272#272

[Seizethecarp]

....”name, place of birth and date of birth is still unkown.
As are the names of his parents consequently unknown”

IMO, while there are credible claims by the CCP that Barry’s LFBC has been forged and the behavior of Barry and his handlers betrays consciousness of that forgery, there are multiple documents in separate state (HI and WA) and federal repositories that confirm Stanley Ann as Barry’s mom and cross-corroborate a narrative of her being in Russian class in the Fall of 1960, a U of WA in the Fall of 1961 and Spring of 1962 and returning to HI in the Fall of 1962.

I have seen no credible claim by a competent expert that the INS FOIA documents are forged.

The INS FOIA documents name Stanley Ann Dunham as a student believed by the U of HI staff and reported to the INS staff to have been impregnated by BHO Sr. and married to him in Feb. 1961...even though they believe he had a wife in Kenya. Those INS docs report baby BHO II by name being born in August 1961 and his mother planning to go to a university in WA in the Fall of 1961.

These INS, U of HI and U of WA docs and witness claims of Stanley Ann’s friends have not been “proved up” in a federal court yet but they can be subjected to discovery.

IMO the apparent forgery of Barry’s LFBC does not put in doubt the identity of his mother based on the other uncontested evidence on the record.

The reason for the forgery MUST conceal something extremely damaging to Barry’s eligibility or life narrative.

For example, in the case of an adoption the original BC is defaced.

[noinfringers2]

I take from your response to my posting that you are not aware of all the dots available for viewing. First, there is that Obama went back to Honolulu to give burial at sea for Madeline Dunham was well publicized in the news. Madeline was certainly Stanly Ann’s mother and ‘mothered’ Obama for a number of years in Hawaii.. There is also recent news about Loretta Fuddy’s odd airplane accident and follow up reports about her association with Stanly Ann. Apparently there are many dots you have not looked into far/deep enough. I will stand by the info I have found as being creditable and to not being some crackpot pie in the sky searching for what has been obfuscated by Obama and his enablers. I realize and consider that there is so much not told/publicized but not necessarily totally hidden from public scrutiny about Obama

[WildHighlander57]

Many thanks for the cogent response!

Would it be accurate to say that a forgery is proven to be such, by comparing the document to a real one.

Not by trying to show, for example, that the parents are not the baby’s real parents?

[hoosiermama]

I think that many people are confusing the legal stand of not proving the lineage in a court of law with not knowing the parentage

Legally the purpose of a birth certificate is to prove lineage. It is witnessed by a person either present at the birth ( doctor, nurse, midwife other) or a relative who remembers the birth ( my mothers older sister had to witness for her to get a BC)
In either case the document is filed with the proper authorities. Then when there is a question relating to the birth of that individual - time, place, parental lineage the authority issues a certificate attesting to the fact. In a court processing the individual presenting said certification to the court/judge must testify and/or have others testify that said certificate matches record on file and comes directly from that record on file. That is the “proving” of the birth.
Obama s certificate has NOT followed that process therefore there is no “Proof”. Of his birth. It’s legalize not to be confused with who his mommy and daddy are.
I remember as a young woman accompany a agent from a neighboring county’s courthouse ;having been sworn in and attesting that I witnessed her getting the paperwork and was with her until we were in judges chamber.
It’s often done in other ways but this was last minute and fit the time constraints of the case That didn’t realize that the baby involved was born out of county till last minute
In most cases the judges clerk ( county clerk) can serve as witness or the certified signed document can be set thru certified RRR mail between clerks The legal process is completely absent or “broken” in O’s case which makes his “proof” invalid in a court of law. His dob , lineage, pob
Are therefore in question. He’s trying to hide one of those. He’s a lawyer it’s not that he doesn’t understand the process. IMO he’s twerking the process!

[WildHighlander57]

Hoosiermama,

You hit the ball outta the park!

“... Obama s certificate has NOT followed that process therefore there is no “Proof”. Of his birth. It’s legalize not to be confused with who his mommy and daddy are. ....”

“... In most cases the judges clerk ( county clerk) can serve as witness or the certified signed document can be set thru certified RRR mail between clerks The legal process is completely absent or “broken” in O’s case which makes his “proof” invalid in a court of law. His dob ,lineage,pob Are therefore in question. ...”

O had a lawyer go get that document (and then later had somebody put up a CR@ppy forgery on the WH web site.)

And the dnc people signed off on the nomination papers based on it.

[hoosiermama]

Although there is a lot of irrelevent material in this link, it may help some

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_(law)

Basically its the difference between hearsay and legal documentation

I can say I was born to royalty and am only 39 years old my family can repeat that lie as truth even in court. That statement would be inadmissible as hearsay Only legal documentatiin is admissible
NO O lawyer has yet to present the BC he claimed
To do so would endanger their own law license because a reputable judge would insist on the legal documentation. None of his lawyers know or will take a chance on what that legal document contains They know and understand the process

[MMaschin]

I agree. I posted the below theory awhile ago, and got laughed at, because I believe the SAD is most likely his actual mom. I did not get any responses indicating where my theory is incorrect. I'd still like to hear rational criticism of the below theory, not just "you're crazy to still believe that SAD is Jr's mother".

I believe in the principle of Occam's razor, and therefore find it hard to get caught up in all the coverups, particularly when I find them not necessary.

This is what I believe to be a likely scenario, and it requires no modifying of INS records, or newspaper microfiche.

Stanley Ann was described in high school by her classmates, as a "fellow traveler", one stated that Stanley Ann once told her "she didn't need a man to have a baby". While I don't give much credence to second hand accounts directly, I do think they have value as corroborative evidence. And I'm therefore believing that Stanley Ann was a bit rebellious.

* After high school, Stanley Ann goes to Chicago and spends the summer of 1960 working as an au pair.

* Stanley Ann becomes pregnant while in Chicago.

* Stanely, and Madelyn decide to move to Hawaii.

* Stanley Ann decides to move back to Seattle. She leaves Hawaii after she finishes the fall 1960 semester.

To add a little bit to the Seattle->Chicago->Hawaii->Seattle movements of Stanley Ann, I think it helps to explain that while Stanley and Madelyn were Marxists, Stanley Ann went past that to the radical stage.

I believe that SAD's radicalism led to her desire to be in Chicago. I also believe that even though they were small 'c' communists, they did not approve of how radical she had become. So, after she became pregnant, and to get her away from the radicals, Stanley decided to get her away from Chicago, and even away from Seattle, so they decided to move to Hawaii. But Stanley Ann was too radicalized, she would not stay in Hawaii, and so a compromise was made, and she was allowed to move back to Seattle - more radical than Hawaii, but not so much so as Chicago.



* In March or April, either because of her rebellious nature, or for economic reasons, Stanley Ann crosses the border, and gives birth. Because she does not need a man, or she simply does not know the answer, she does not name a father.

* Only after the birth she finds out she has a problem - because 1) the birth is in Canada, 2) she did not list a father, and 3) she is only 18, the baby does not acquire US Citizenship.

* Between April, and August, Stanley, and Madelyn come up with a plan. They will claim that Stanley's baby was born in Hawaii, as a home birth. In case there is an investigation of the facts of the birth, they ask Obama Sr to allow them to use him as the father. And tell him, if anyone asks, all he has to do is tell them yes, he's the father. This results in the confusing INS documentation - when he's asked, he says he's the father, but sometimes when filling out forms (because he doesn't want to go to jail for the Dunhams), he does not claim Jr.

* With Sr backing them, the Dunham's register the birth in August. They had to wait long enough for the timing to allow for the facts they were presenting.

* The above scenario results in the birth announcements being generated in the newspapers, and the INS documentation. It also explains Obama's complete lack of interest in both Stanley Ann (he never lived with her), and Jr (his lack of claiming him as a son on his INS forms). *Note* that lack of interest may have changed when he was afraid that his visa was not going to be extended, and he thought he was going to be deported.

* It also explains the fake BC, and Hawaii officials willing to state that Obama does have a Hawaii bc, and Tim Adams claim of no hospital generated BC. He has a Hawaii bc, but if it was to be released, and it showed a home birth, that might be enough to get a real investigation started. One that might find 'universe shattering' evidence.



In the above scenario, the 'universe shattering' information that would result is that not only is Obama not a US Natural Born Citizen, but he may not have naturalized, and therefore may not even be a US Citizen. It also allows for two comments that I have always kept in the back of my head. First, I remember a Republican politician once saying (I can't remember who), the reason why they weren't challenging Obama on his eligibility, was because "we aren't going to go after him, just because he doesn't know who his daddy is". It also meshes with the comment from the CCP, that "there is no evidence of Obama in Hawaii before 1963" - that is the time that SAD moved back to Hawaii from Seattle.

[hoosiermama]

Meant to send this to you also Start at 71

[hoosiermama]

Said lawyer has not testified in a court of law. They are manipulating the court of public opinion. IMO by presenting it to the DNC they are commuting fraud

It’s one thing to give a BC to the little league to prove age and a totally different thing to not follow legal process in this situation DNC should have insisted on Legal Proof not material that could have -in fact was manipulated. They are going to have more than egg of their face. They could easily be named as co-conspirators

[hoosiermama]

See my posts starting at 71

Those who think she wasn’t his mom are confused Its completely different then there is no legal “proving” of his birth. No documentation following proper court process PROVING the documentation. Only hearsay in the legal sense
NO following the process equals no legal date or place of birth or lineage.
The fact that he has also hidden and records that would have notated above material makes all material he now claims suspect.
Add that to CCP finding what he has presented as created gives more proof that the material of legal record does not support his claims

[Seizethecarp]

“Would it be accurate to say that a forgery is proven to be such, by comparing the document to a real one.(?)

“Not by trying to show, for example, that the parents are not the baby’s real parents?”

A document entered into evidence can be challenged a number of ways. No certified copy of the LFBC has EVER been entered into evidence in court, state or federal. Only photocopies of the claimed certified copy, which is not the same thing.

Zullo’s CCP presser attempting to show prima facie (on its face) evidence of forgery of the LFBC image was supporessed in the MSM with hand-waiving by “experts” claiming that they saw no evidence of forgery and could explain all the anomalies away.

Compare this episode with Dan Rather’s attempt to crush Bush’s 2004 campaign with a claimed National Guard document. Dan Rather got fired and Bush survived because the MSM (and eventually the courts) and even the Dems decided not to suppress the evidence that MS Word software was used in generating a document pre-dated MS Word.

Proving that Barry’s LFBC is forged, as the CCP appears to be prepared to re-litigate in the media and hopefully in the courts, does NOT refute the extensive evidence that Stanley Ann is Barry’s mom. That is totally separate.

[little jeremiah]

It seems you missed a few years of research threads.

And believe ad copy.

[WildHighlander57]

OK what I meant was ask if the following was accurate:

one doesn’t prove a forgery by proving the parents aren’t the real parents.

They prove a forgery by comparing the doc in question to a real doc.

I.e. finding who the real parents are is secondary (and not relevant in a criminal case about forgery )