I think that many people are confusing the legal stand of not proving the lineage in a court of law with not knowing the parentage
Legally the purpose of a birth certificate is to prove lineage. It is witnessed by a person either present at the birth ( doctor, nurse, midwife other) or a relative who remembers the birth ( my mothers older sister had to witness for her to get a BC)
In either case the document is filed with the proper authorities. Then when there is a question relating to the birth of that individual - time, place, parental lineage the authority issues a certificate attesting to the fact. In a court processing the individual presenting said certification to the court/judge must testify and/or have others testify that said certificate matches record on file and comes directly from that record on file. That is the “proving” of the birth.
Obama s certificate has NOT followed that process therefore there is no “Proof”. Of his birth. It’s legalize not to be confused with who his mommy and daddy are.
I remember as a young woman accompany a agent from a neighboring county’s courthouse ;having been sworn in and attesting that I witnessed her getting the paperwork and was with her until we were in judges chamber.
It’s often done in other ways but this was last minute and fit the time constraints of the case That didn’t realize that the baby involved was born out of county till last minute
In most cases the judges clerk ( county clerk) can serve as witness or the certified signed document can be set thru certified RRR mail between clerks The legal process is completely absent or “broken” in O’s case which makes his “proof” invalid in a court of law. His dob , lineage, pob
Are therefore in question. He’s trying to hide one of those. He’s a lawyer it’s not that he doesn’t understand the process. IMO he’s twerking the process!
Hoosiermama,
You hit the ball outta the park!
“... Obama s certificate has NOT followed that process therefore there is no “Proof”. Of his birth. It’s legalize not to be confused with who his mommy and daddy are. ....”
“... In most cases the judges clerk ( county clerk) can serve as witness or the certified signed document can be set thru certified RRR mail between clerks The legal process is completely absent or “broken” in O’s case which makes his “proof” invalid in a court of law. His dob ,lineage,pob Are therefore in question. ...”
O had a lawyer go get that document (and then later had somebody put up a CR@ppy forgery on the WH web site.)
And the dnc people signed off on the nomination papers based on it.
Although there is a lot of irrelevent material in this link, it may help some
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_(law)
Basically its the difference between hearsay and legal documentation
I can say I was born to royalty and am only 39 years old my family can repeat that lie as truth even in court. That statement would be inadmissible as hearsay Only legal documentatiin is admissible
NO O lawyer has yet to present the BC he claimed
To do so would endanger their own law license because a reputable judge would insist on the legal documentation. None of his lawyers know or will take a chance on what that legal document contains They know and understand the process
Meant to send this to you also Start at 71
“In a court processing the individual presenting said certification to the court/judge must testify and/or have others testify that said certificate matches record on file and comes directly from that record on file. That is the “proving” of the birth.”
IANAL, but my understanding is that under the Federal Rules of Evidence (FRE) a BC certified by a US state DOH is “self-authenticating” and as such it is entitled to an exception to the hearsay rules so that no official must show up in court to attest to the authenticity of the document as would be the case when a subpoena duces tecum is issued for the custodian of a document to come to court with the document and be subjected to cross-examination.
But Barry’s legal team has fought tooth-and-nail NOT to ever present a self-authenticating actual certified copy of Barry’s HI LFBC in any court. This displays consciousness of LACK of said document, IMO.
Note that a BC NOT issued by a US state, such as a claimed certified Kenyan BC, is NOT self-authenticating in US court under the FRE and WOULD require authentication by authorities of the other country, IIRC.