[MMaschin]

I agree. I posted the below theory awhile ago, and got laughed at, because I believe the SAD is most likely his actual mom. I did not get any responses indicating where my theory is incorrect. I'd still like to hear rational criticism of the below theory, not just "you're crazy to still believe that SAD is Jr's mother".

I believe in the principle of Occam's razor, and therefore find it hard to get caught up in all the coverups, particularly when I find them not necessary.

This is what I believe to be a likely scenario, and it requires no modifying of INS records, or newspaper microfiche.

Stanley Ann was described in high school by her classmates, as a "fellow traveler", one stated that Stanley Ann once told her "she didn't need a man to have a baby". While I don't give much credence to second hand accounts directly, I do think they have value as corroborative evidence. And I'm therefore believing that Stanley Ann was a bit rebellious.

* After high school, Stanley Ann goes to Chicago and spends the summer of 1960 working as an au pair.

* Stanley Ann becomes pregnant while in Chicago.

* Stanely, and Madelyn decide to move to Hawaii.

* Stanley Ann decides to move back to Seattle. She leaves Hawaii after she finishes the fall 1960 semester.

To add a little bit to the Seattle->Chicago->Hawaii->Seattle movements of Stanley Ann, I think it helps to explain that while Stanley and Madelyn were Marxists, Stanley Ann went past that to the radical stage.

I believe that SAD's radicalism led to her desire to be in Chicago. I also believe that even though they were small 'c' communists, they did not approve of how radical she had become. So, after she became pregnant, and to get her away from the radicals, Stanley decided to get her away from Chicago, and even away from Seattle, so they decided to move to Hawaii. But Stanley Ann was too radicalized, she would not stay in Hawaii, and so a compromise was made, and she was allowed to move back to Seattle - more radical than Hawaii, but not so much so as Chicago.



* In March or April, either because of her rebellious nature, or for economic reasons, Stanley Ann crosses the border, and gives birth. Because she does not need a man, or she simply does not know the answer, she does not name a father.

* Only after the birth she finds out she has a problem - because 1) the birth is in Canada, 2) she did not list a father, and 3) she is only 18, the baby does not acquire US Citizenship.

* Between April, and August, Stanley, and Madelyn come up with a plan. They will claim that Stanley's baby was born in Hawaii, as a home birth. In case there is an investigation of the facts of the birth, they ask Obama Sr to allow them to use him as the father. And tell him, if anyone asks, all he has to do is tell them yes, he's the father. This results in the confusing INS documentation - when he's asked, he says he's the father, but sometimes when filling out forms (because he doesn't want to go to jail for the Dunhams), he does not claim Jr.

* With Sr backing them, the Dunham's register the birth in August. They had to wait long enough for the timing to allow for the facts they were presenting.

* The above scenario results in the birth announcements being generated in the newspapers, and the INS documentation. It also explains Obama's complete lack of interest in both Stanley Ann (he never lived with her), and Jr (his lack of claiming him as a son on his INS forms). *Note* that lack of interest may have changed when he was afraid that his visa was not going to be extended, and he thought he was going to be deported.

* It also explains the fake BC, and Hawaii officials willing to state that Obama does have a Hawaii bc, and Tim Adams claim of no hospital generated BC. He has a Hawaii bc, but if it was to be released, and it showed a home birth, that might be enough to get a real investigation started. One that might find 'universe shattering' evidence.



In the above scenario, the 'universe shattering' information that would result is that not only is Obama not a US Natural Born Citizen, but he may not have naturalized, and therefore may not even be a US Citizen. It also allows for two comments that I have always kept in the back of my head. First, I remember a Republican politician once saying (I can't remember who), the reason why they weren't challenging Obama on his eligibility, was because "we aren't going to go after him, just because he doesn't know who his daddy is". It also meshes with the comment from the CCP, that "there is no evidence of Obama in Hawaii before 1963" - that is the time that SAD moved back to Hawaii from Seattle.

[hoosiermama]

See my posts starting at 71

Those who think she wasn’t his mom are confused Its completely different then there is no legal “proving” of his birth. No documentation following proper court process PROVING the documentation. Only hearsay in the legal sense
NO following the process equals no legal date or place of birth or lineage.
The fact that he has also hidden and records that would have notated above material makes all material he now claims suspect.
Add that to CCP finding what he has presented as created gives more proof that the material of legal record does not support his claims

[little jeremiah]

SAD moved back to Hawaii from Seattle.

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The only “evidence” is a forged document that was emailed to Corsi (who believes liars like Gilbert) purporting to be a transcript of SAD’s. It was proven several times on FR research threads to be a forgery because the info and dates was totally off.

There is no evidence that SAD ever lived in Seattle. There is evidence that someone named Anna Obama lived in Seattle with a baby who was several months older than the baby Zero would supposedly have been at that time.

Amazing the misinformation being prated on this thread.

[Seizethecarp]

“I believe in the principle of Occam’s razor, and therefore find it hard to get caught up in all the coverups, particularly when I find them not necessary.

“This is what I believe to be a likely scenario, and it requires no modifying of INS records, or newspaper microfiche.”

IMO your scenario wanders rather far from Occam’s razor on almost every turn and does, in fact, require successfully contesting the INS FOIA docs.

IIRC:

1. UW/UH transcripts have SADO in Russian class in the Fall of 1960.

2. INS FOIA docs in April 1961 had a U of H official informing INS that BHO Sr. has impregnated and married Stanley Ann Dunham (she is named) and that SAD is contemplating giving the baby up for adoption with the Salvation Army.

3. INS FOIA docs in August 1961 have SAD living with her parents and Baby BHO II being born and the mother planning to attend university in WA in the Fall of 1961. An early Aug. 1961 birth (wherever) would imply an early Nov. 1960 conception at a time when SAD was in Russian class at UH, not in Chicago.

4. The 1961 Polk in HI has SAD at the same address with her parents and as reported in the newspaper birth announcements that are not admissible as evidence of birth location (and might be but haven’t yet been proved in court to be forged).

[Fred Nerks]

... It also meshes with the comment from the CCP, that "there is no evidence of Obama in Hawaii before 1963" - that is the time that SAD moved back to Hawaii from Seattle.

I bet that that is the time SAD moved back to Hawaii from Seattle came from you, and not the CCP, who must also be very aware that the woman shown in the Seattle Polk for 1961 was named ANNA OBAMA and wasn't Stanley Ann Dunham.

She wasn't ANN S OBAMA who was also shown in the Honolulu Polk for 1961 either. You've got three women with three different names all rolled into one to try and make a mother. It doesn't work, regardless of how many fake documents you throw at it.