on that day, as an answer, Israel should destroy Tehran... they got nothing left to lose at that point
Posted on 11/06/2013 1:35:02 PM PST by IbJensen
If Israel and the Palestinians do not agree on a “two state solution” by the end of this year, the Obama administration plans to propose its own solution and force it on the two sides in early 2014.
For Obama, the goal is to have this agreement in place in time to influence the November 2014 mid-term elections. Unfortunately for Israel, the Palestinians have absolutely no incentive to move off of their current demands because Obama has been promising them a Palestinian state based on the pre-1967 borders with East Jerusalem as the capital since very early in his presidency. So the Palestinians have no motivation to negotiate in good faith since they already know that they are going to get what they want in the end anyway. Ultimately, Obama plans to force Israel to give up the West Bank, East Jerusalem and control over the Temple Mount in exchange for a “promise of peace” that is not even worth the paper that it will be printed on.
When it comes to Israel, the arrogance that Obama is displaying is absolutely appalling. For example, Obama made the following statement about Israel earlier this year…
“Israel doesn’t know what its own best interests are.”
Oh, but Obama does?
Not only does Obama believe that he knows what is best for Israel, he also plans to force them to do it.
According to IDF Radio, the U.S. government plans to submit “its own solution” and force the two sides to agree to it if negotiations do not produce an agreement by the end of this year…
The United States intends to try and force a peace agreement on Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA), IDF Radio reported Monday.
The radio station says the US has informed Israel and the Palestinian Authority that if negotiations between them do not advance, Washington will propose its own solution, that will include a US position on every point that is in contention. In effect, according to the report, this will be an attempt to force the sides to agree on a solution formulated by the US.
It is important to note that IDF radio is actually run by the Israeli military. This would not have been broadcast if the Israeli government had not approved the story.
And the source for the story is actually the head of the left-wing Meretz party…
MK Zehava Galon (Meretz) was quoted as saying Monday that senior US officials told her the US offer would be presented in January of 2014. PA sources also cited January as the month in which the US intends to propose, or impose, its plan.
The US moves comes after three months of talks between the sides which have reportedly made very little headway.
The US plan reportedly is similar to the Clinton outline, offered by President Bill Clinton in late 2000, which is based on an Israeli retreat to 1949 Armistice lines, and some swaps of territory.
This report by IDF radio was also echoed by a report in the Jerusalem Post…
The head of the left-wing Meretz party, Zahava Gal-On, said Monday that the Obama administration is determined to achieve a major diplomatic breakthrough next year in the negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians, including arrangements for a final status agreement.
“There will be a new diplomatic program, based on the pre-1967 lines with agreed land swaps,” Gal-On said in a statement after meeting with Palestinian and American officials on Monday morning.
So why should the Palestinians negotiate?
All they have to do is wait until early next year and they are going to get what they want anyway.
Of course U.S. officials are issuing their typical denials. According to Reuters, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry says that the U.S. does not plan to implement this kind of a plan “at this point in time”…
At a news conference in Riyadh on Monday, Kerry said there was no such plan “at this point in time”. He has spoken publicly of possible U.S. bridging proposals if no major progress is made.
But of course Kerry’s statement does not rule out that such a plan will be implemented early next year. And at this point it seems very clear that the current negotiations are going nowhere fast. The following is also from the Reuters report mentioned above…
Israeli and Palestinian officials said on Tuesday the three-month-old peace talks pressed on them by Washington are going nowhere, painting a grim picture for a visit this week by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry.
For a long time, the Palestinians have been relying on the fact that the U.S. government has promised them that they will get a state based on pre-1967 borders. In fact, according to a Yahoo news article posted in July, a letter from Kerry guaranteeing this was what got the Palestinians back to the negotiating table in the first place…
Israel’s pre-1967 borders will be the basis of renewed peace talks between Palestine and Israel, according to a letter U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry gave to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas which guaranteed the stipulation.
After Abbas received the Kerry letter, he agreed to resume peace talks with Israel, two senior Palestinian officials said Saturday.
And the biggest stumbling block in the negotiations is the status of Jerusalem. The Palestinians are absolutely determined not to agree to any solution that does not give them control over East Jerusalem. Unfortunately, the Israelis are not nearly as united in their determination not to give it up. In fact, according to the Times of Israel, there is a tremendous amount of discord inside the Israeli negotiating team over what to do about Jerusalem…
Israel’s negotiating team in peace talks with the Palestinians is reportedly facing an internal disagreement on the issue of Jerusalem, with chief negotiator MK Tzipi Livni demonstrating a more flexible approach than that of lawyer Yitzhak Molcho, the special envoy appointed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
In the end, Obama plans to give control over East Jerusalem and the Temple Mount to the Palestinians. The following is from a WND article from earlier this year…
The Obama administration has quietly presented a plan in which the Palestinian Authority and Jordan will receive sovereignty over the Temple Mount while Israel will retain the land below the Western Wall, according to a senior PA negotiator speaking to WND.
And this is not something that Obama came up with recently. The truth is that Obama has been planning this since early on in his presidency. The following is from a WND article all the way back in 2009…
President Obama and his administration told Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas during a meeting last week the U.S. foresees the creation of a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, according to a top PA official speaking to WND.
“The American administration was very friendly to the position of the PA,” said Nimer Hamad, Abbas’ senior political adviser.
“Abu Mazen (Abbas) heard from Obama and his administration in a very categorical way that a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital is in the American national and security interest,” Hamad said.
What Obama is trying to do is crystal clear, and Israel should immediately walk away from the negotiating table.
Ultimately, nothing good is going to come out of these negotiations anyway. Any “peace guarantee” that Israel receives will only be temporary.
Palestinian Authority Minister of Religious Affairs Mahmoud Al-Habbash made that abundantly clear during a recent sermon…
At the Friday Ramadan services, which were attended by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and broadcast on Palestinian television, Habbash explained to Muslim worshipers that Palestinian Authority officials “only through the wisdom of the leadership, conscious action, consideration, and walking the right path” are headed toward “achievement, exactly like the Prophet [Mohammad] did in the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah, even though some opposed it.”
Palestinian Media Watch – an Israeli research institution that translates anti-Israel broadcasts in the Palestinian media – explains that the Hudaybiyyah peace treaty of 628 A.D. refers to “a 10-year truce that Mohammad, Islam’s Prophet, made with the Quraish Tribe of Mecca. However, two years into the truce, Mohammad attacked and conquered Mecca.”
Are you starting to get the picture?
The Palestinians don’t plan to establish a real, lasting peace with Israel. In fact, according to one survey two-thirds of all Palestinians believe that the eventual goal of the Palestinians must be “to get back all the land for a Palestinian state.”
There is not going to be any solution to the “Jerusalem issue” any time soon even if a peace agreement is forced on Israel and the Palestinians. And this is precisely what the Bible said would happen in the last days. In Zechariah 12:3, we are warned that the city of Jerusalem will one day become a huge stumbling stone for the nations…
“And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.“
Is that not exactly what has happened?
The entire world is trying to figure out what to do with Jerusalem. It truly is a “burdensome stone”.
And the U.S. government should be very careful. That passage of Scripture also says that “all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces”.
If the United States ends up forcing Israel to divide her land, will the U.S. also find itself divided and “cut in pieces”?
That is a very sobering question.
And it is also interesting to note that all of this is happening just as we are entering the blood red moon tetrad of 2014-2015.
Other blood red moon tetrads throughout history have signaled times of great distress for the Jewish people.
Will it be the same this time around?
Kuru is real? I thought it was a joke I saw on a Love Boat episode that featured Barbi Benton. Why on earth do I remember that?
If he does this we will know exactly who he is.
Galon didn't say anything about force in her interview, so far as I can make out.
She said the US would "intervene with or "present" or "submit" a plan of its own, if the two sides couldn't come to an agreement.
Nothing about force there, nor is it likely the US could or would be able to force anything on Israel any time soon.
Somewhere along the way the story got twisted to provoke a reaction.
The Bam is not excluded from the rewards of Gen 12:3.
You know there was this guy once, he also had a solution he tried to force on the Jews, he also had an odd name, Hitler I think it was. Things ended badly for him, may history repeat.
From the article “Ultimately, Obama plans to force Israel to give up the West Bank, East Jerusalem and control over the Temple Mount in exchange for a “promise of peace” that is not even worth the paper that it will be printed on.”
From the Bible “Daniel 9:27 (NIV)
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing [of the temple] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.
Obama receives Noble PEACE prize second week in office.
Daniel 9:27 (NIV)
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing [of the temple] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.
6. He will ascend to power on a platform of peace. By peace, he will destroy many - Daniel 8:25
If this “forced plan” turns out to a 7 year plan, I will finally be convinced Daniel mispelled “Obamanation” and start looking up.
Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither
slumber nor sleep. - Psalms 121:4 (KJV)
They ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore....
You think too literally. The US will try to force this peace plan on Israeli. More properly called land for war. Same as the Obama health-Kare was forced onto the American people. The Obama-regime has already sabotaged leaked a few Israeli military actions. So why would ego-tripper Johan Kerry and his minions not be forcing Israel here? To make it easier for Islam to eliminate it via Iran or Palestinians or both
If you take a wild illiterate guess do think Obama-regime favors Israel or the Muslims and Iran?
Yup.
So much for the diplomatic approach, and the better judgment of every US President since Truman. Sometimes “diplomacy” is really war by other means. It needs a freep malapropism to convey that. “DeplumIC”?
on that day, as an answer, Israel should destroy Tehran... they got nothing left to lose at that point
There's only so much that he'll be able to do (assuming he's able to do anything).
Is this really going to be the thing that he prioritizes over anything domestic?
Wouldn't it also be surprising if Congress went along with an attempt to pressure Israel?
Keeps THIS up, one of those famous Israeli nukes will end up in Los Angeles.
Obie knows his period of influence is over. He’ll try to finish off his agenda before he’s forced to go sit on a stool in the corner of the east room. Israel does not need Obie’s blessing anymore. They can see what’s happening here, too.
The Kenyan should work on his creds first by getting a treaty to end the Korean War. Then he could get a treaty to end his favorite war in Afganyland. Then he ought to show us he can make a healthcare web site work. After that he can STFU about Israel. I didn’t see the plan for Gaza and the Golan but I’m pretty sure the Israelis ain’t giving up the Golan. Oh, and BTW, somebody want to remind the Kenyan how well his Syria plan is going? Don’t blame him for wanting to get something going someplace, for some reason, by 2014 but his record just isn’t “predickting” success.
ObamaSnare for the Israelis.
Kill it, Bibi, the American people are behind you, not Mr. Doofus.
A nation and its leaders do not know what is best for themselves.
But Obama does.
Americans do not know what is best for ourselves re: healthcare - and everything else...
But Obama does.
Irrefutable proof that he thinks he is God and has a messianic complex .......
and is very dangerous........
didn’t Hitler hold the same line of thinking???
Wow, WOW, hitting the nail on the head! I hope this post reply gets through.
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