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Can a Pro-Life Activist Defend The Inquisition?
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| Julio Severo
Posted on 10/22/2013 10:38:54 AM PDT by juliosevero
Can a Pro-Life Activist Defend The Inquisition?
By Julio Severo
The answer to the title of this article is: Of course not! I, for example, have never defended any kind of Inquisition, and if someday I will do it, obviously I will have to abandon the pro-life fight, because it makes no sense selectively to condemn a genocide and support another.
Pope John Paul II, author of the encyclical The Gospel of Life, was a pro-life champion and he did not defend the Inquisition. On the contrary, he had the honesty to ask forgiveness for what the Inquisition and its agents were.
The defense of the Inquisition, for any Christian who considers himself pro-life, is so shameful that the only option left to its defenders is to deflect the debate to other details that flee from the essential question.
Three hundred years ago, Jonathan Swift, in his Gullivers Travels, used the example of a cow, and how a malicious neighbor might, with the help of a dishonest lawyer, say that the animal belonged to him, not to Gulliver. The method is simple: instead of focusing on the central topic of who really the cow belongs to, the lawyer will make the judge digress into details consuming time and energy: how old the cow is, how its pasture is, what its size is, etc.
In the end, victory comes by fatigue and a heap of digressions.
The major digression in the issue of the Inquisition and a pro-life identity came with this comment:
In the subject of the history of the Inquisition, Julio is completely illiterate. The Protestant Reformation, in England, killed in a few months more people than the Inquisition did in four centuries.
Obviously, this comment did not respond to the main question in my article: How can those who defend the Inquisition fight against abortion?
Or, to be more precise: How do they want to fight the culture of death of socialism, homosexuality and feminism when they feel comfortable with the culture of torture and death of the Inquisition?
I do not mention the identity of the comment author in order to make it clear that I am attacking stances and ideas, not people. Moreover, the author is a man I respect, in spite of differences. I respect greatly his wife too, a very considerate woman. Yet, for literary convenience, I will call him in this text just Jack Man.
Sometimes, it is preferable not to mention real names to avoid embarrassment and personal attacks. In the case of his comment, Jack Man did not have this care, and many of his followers have interpreted his comment as a carte blanche to post aggressive messages both in my Facebook and in other forums, not sparing expletives and adjectives such as antichrist. Some said, The master has spoken, so shut up! At least, the axes, sickles and hammers were only in very heavy and ugly words. (Im already accustomed to this, coming from the Protestant Left, whose more common weapons are expletives.)
It is in a moment such as this that I give thanks to God that there is no more the Inquisition, because if there were, this rabid pro-Inquisition mob would come up to me with real axes, sickles and hammers to lynch me much before the tribunal of the holy office were able to pick me, judge me and condemn me to death by burning.
One of the strong Catholic reactions to my questioning if the identity pro-life can join the defense of the Inquisition was:
Seeing Julio Severo defaming and denigrating the Inquisition, I notice that he is an ignorant or acts in bad faith. If he is ignorant, he may still learn. If he acts in bad faith, he deserves to be execrated. Anyway, what he said does not offend me. I think that what is much more serious is that those who have an obligation to defend the Inquisition are shamed by it.
This explicitly pro-Inquisition Facebook comment could be seen as an isolated case, but it was liked (or signed) by some Midia Sem Mascara columnists.
If they want to accuse me of defaming and denigrating communism and its atrocities, I humbly accept this shame which for me is a great joy.
If they want to accuse me of defaming and denigrating Nazism and its crime of the Holocaust, I humbly accept this shame which for me is a great joy.
In a similar way, if they want to accuse me of defaming and denigrating the Inquisition, I humbly accept this shame which for me is a great joy.
They can also add that I defame and denigrate the International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF). This is the largest organization of contraception, abortion and sex education in the world. Its founder, Margaret Sanger, came from an Irish Catholic family, and before the rise of the Soviet Union, she already preached feminism, socialism, abortion and anarchy. Her greatest opponent was evangelical Anthony Comstock.
There is a parallel between the Inquisition and IPPF. Both have varied torture tools. While the Catholic Inquisition tortured and killed presumably only adults, IPPF uses medical instruments to torture and kill babies: saline injection, partial abortion, dismemberment and decapitation.
Tony Man (not his real name, because he is a friend of Jack Man and wants to remain unnamed), calls IPPF Planned Parenthood Inquisition. He has this to ask to those who love and defend the Inquisition: They want babies Protestants to be aborted or merely tortured and killed after birth?
Following the excellent reasoning of Tony Man, I wonder: What about if IPPF had Vatican approval, as the Inquisition had, then it could kill only Protestant babies and other heretical babies?
For Tony Man and for me, it is very simple: if you can excuse or defend the Catholic Inquisition, what prevents you from condoning or defending the IPPF Inquisition?
The pro-abortion guy can coolly upbraid you: Your Catholic Church had the Inquisition and we have IPPF. Leave us with our genocide and you stay with yours. But, on both sides, there is denial, although in the Catholic side the pope has already asked for forgiveness. So the insistence of defending the Inquisition only exposes its defenders to ridicule.
The only difference between the Inquisition and IPPF is that one has a Catholic title and the other does not. Is this then the reason that those who defend the Inquisition condemn IPPF? But what moral ethics have the Inquisition defenders to attack IPPF?
The fact that there are Catholics today defending the Inquisition indicates only a reality: apostasy.
Tony Man brought to my knowledge that Malachi Martin, the well-known late Catholic theologian, was an adviser to two popes. Martin said in mid-1990s:
* The smoke of Satan is in the Vatican.
* The Catholic Church has come under the control of Satan.
* That the situation is irreversible.
* That both Pope Paul VI (in the mid-1970s!) and later John Paul II said that it cannot be reversed or even halted by anything man can do.
* That the only way to understand the Third Secret of Fatima, which Malachi Martin was allowed to read (most Catholics trust and revere that apparition) is to accept that the Vatican, the Roman Catholic hierarchy and almost all the Catholic laity in the world, are apostate.
* That Catholicism as we know it, as a religious institution, is spiritually dead and that this is God's will!
These comments by the late Rev. Malachi Martin, gathered by Tony Man through a Martins sermon, might explain perfectly why some Catholics who attack a genocide (abortion) are comfortable with another (the Inquisition).
According to Tony Man, looking carefully at the Protestant churches and their institutions in the Western countries, Rev. Martin also said that all of them are apostate. The exception is Protestant churches in the poorest nations of Africa, Asia and Latin America.
It is healthy to face reality, as Martin did. As an evangelical, often I go in the opposite direction of other Protestants, who see Vatican as the Great Babylon described in Revelation 17. Rev. David Wilkerson, an Assembly of God minister and the author of the best-selling The Cross and the Switchblade, said that Babylon the Great is America. I agree with him.
Encyclopedia Britannica, in its 11th edition which I used as the source for the Inquisition in my Portuguese article, is rejected by pro-Inquisition Catholics, because they prefer their own baseless books to an encyclopedia of one hundred years considered by pro-family groups as more reliable than modern encyclopedias. Even so, the pro-Inquisition Catholics close themselves in their denial, even after the pope had already asked for forgiveness. Encyclopedia Britannica also makes a correct description of the Holocaust. Do we have to accept the Nazi version only because the side guilty of crimes does not accept the official version?
Catholic denial, with its pro-Inquisition supporters, is no different from other historical denials, including Nazi and communist.
Is there a revolutionary mindset operating in these affinities? Deniers should answer it.
If I were an evangelical denier, I never would denounce what America, formerly a Protestant power, has been doing to impose abortion and the gay agenda on the world. In addition, I have also denounced the major role of America in the strengthening and funding of the persecution of Christians around the world. It is a sad reality, but truth is truth and it cannot be concealed. To deny, hide, varnish and cripple information about persecution of Christians is a practice of revisionists and other revolutionary mindset agents.
In the Catholic case, Pope John Paul II has already asked for forgiveness. Why then insist on denials and defense of religious genocide?
It makes no sense Catholics attacking a genocide (abortion) and being comfortable with another (the Inquisition).
Leone Lins, a Brazilian who read my original Portuguese article, understood this point. She said, Until now, I dont understand the fuss about this article. As I see it, Julio Severo says that those who defend the atrocities perpetrated by the Catholic Inquisition over the centuries have no moral ethics to say that they are against communist genocides. I agree with him.
Let us return now to the comment by Jack Man, which shunned this central problem:
In the subject of the history of The Inquisition, Julio is completely illiterate. The Protestant Reformation, in England, killed in a few months more people than The Inquisition did in four centuries.
I will not try to respond to this comment which fled from the vital subject, because Jack Man judged me completely illiterate. The answer then comes from my friend Michael Carl, an Anglican Episcopal priest and WND journalist. His response to me was as follows:
Your Catholic critic is confusing the English Reformation with the English Civil War, much of which was between the Protestant Roundheads (Parliamentarians) and the mostly Catholic Cavaliers who supported the king, mostly Catholic because the kings were the Scottish Catholic Stuarts.
There were more Anglicans killed during the brief reign of Catholic Mary Tudor, after the death of the puny Edward. This is the one nicknamed Bloody Mary (which is the origin of the cocktail of the same name) because she had Lady Jane Gray and other Protestant Anglicans executed.
There were also other deviations from the central topic. Some Catholics have tried to refute my Portuguese A inquisição, o papa e o suspiro de alguns católicos conservadores by appealing to a supposed Protestant Inquisition. Such Protestant Inquisition exists only in Catholic books. Searching Encyclopedia Britannica, 1911 edition, I have found nothing on Protestant Inquisition. But I have found abundant material on the Catholic Inquisition. Anyway, even if there were a Protestant Inquisition, never in my blog or in my Facebook I have praised or suggested such Inquisition for Catholics.
This article was written in response to some Catholics who have for a long time, under my silence and the silence of many other evangelicals, been praising the Inquisition and, worse, implying that we, evangelicals, deserve it. Do these Catholics want to praise the Inquisition? They are free to do so. They want to say it publicly (as a Mídia Sem Máscara columnist did) that evangelicals are modern Cathars, who were considered by the Catholic Inquisition as worthy of torture and death? They are free to do so.
However, they can never say they are fighting the culture of death, because within the culture of death is not only communism. It is also, whether they accept or not, the Inquisition. Do they want to defend life? They cannot then defend the Inquisition. It is not impossible to do so. I have Catholic friends who do not defend the Inquisition. By defending the Inquisition, there is nothing that separates them from defenders of IPPF, the Holocaust and communism. What unites them the slaughter of the innocents is stronger than what divides them.
There is no difference between defending IPPF and the Holocaust and defending the Inquisition. But there is a vast difference between fighting against abortion and defending the Inquisition.
Having reaffirmed the main point of my anti-Inquisition and antiabortion stance, let me explain that the Catholic Church does not save. The Evangelical Church also does not save. Who saves? Only Jesus Christ.
But according to Tony Man, Jack Man thinks that the only salvation for Latin America is the Catholic Church. So his involvement in pro-life coalitions with Protestants has only one objective: to help the Catholic Church in a supreme role of spiritual and social salvation for all.
Unfortunately for Jack Man, the Catholic Church in Brazil and other Latin American nations is deeply involved in the Marxist Liberation Theology. Especially in Brazil, the largest Catholic nation in the world, no church has been so involved in the establishment of socialism than the Catholic Church has, because of massive apostasy through the Liberation Theology. So it has no salvation, even for itself, and you do not need to be a Malachi Martin to see it.
It is no wonder: any church, Catholic or Protestant, which thinks that it can bring salvation to this world, will commit atrocities. The Inquisition and pervasive socialism in Brazil are just two examples.
To salve people, not apostate Catholic or Protestant institutions, God is pouring out His Spirit in these last days.
And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. (Acts 2:17-18 ESV)
With this Spirit, Jesus followers will be able to be victorious over the homosexualist, pro-abortion, socialist Beast, its image, and the number of its name (see Revelation 15:2).
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To: Alamo-Girl
I dont have a clue why a pro-lifer would defend the inquisition.
Nor I, Alamo-Girl.
Thanks for the comeback.
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posted on
10/22/2013 9:33:51 PM PDT
by
YHAOS
To: YHAOS
You’re quite welcome, dear YHAOS!
To: marron
I wouldn’t presume to speak for the Holy Ghost on this. But I would note that blasphemy, idolatry, breaking the Sabbath, and witchcraft are all crimes punishable by death in the Old Testament. If you have a civilization that truly believes in the divine nature of its religion, it only stands to reason that a person who murders people’s souls is as guilty of a heinous crime as someone who murders the body.
We have lost sight of the horror of heresy I think. We tend to minimize it as simple disagreement of beliefs, and we don’t realize the heavy cost we pay for this attitude in society.
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posted on
10/23/2013 4:20:25 AM PDT
by
Claud
To: YHAOS
Look, I’m not asking you to agree with the world-view of the Inquisition here, I’m just asking you to understand it.
In many Christian societies where you had a dominant church—Protestant or Catholic—it was thought that murdering someone’s SOUL by luring them into heresy was an even worse evil than murder of the body.
We can’t relate to it largely because we don’t have a single dominant church here like they did in medieval times, and Calvin’s Geneva, and Tudor England, and the Old Testament.
Anyway, what you said is pretty much what most pious Catholics would have said back in the day. “Per instructions, I leave decisions about heresy to a higher authority.”
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posted on
10/23/2013 4:38:36 AM PDT
by
Claud
To: metmom
Yup.
I understand the defensiveness of some Catholics. They have a decent point about the whole “Black Legend” bit about the Spanish Inquisition, Spanish conquests and massacres, etc. It indeed exaggerates the wickedness of Spain and by extension Catholics in general as compared Protestant countries.
However. Protestant “persecution” of Catholics in England and other Protestant countries consisted largely of civil disabilities. Powerful Catholic nobles frequented the English court throughout this period, while there were no Protestant nobles, or open Protestants at all, in Spain. They would be arrested and quite possibly burned alive.
Catholic persecution of Protestants was exponentially more harsh and widespread, and lasted much longer.
Sorry if that offends our Catholic brethren, but facts are facts.
To: Sherman Logan
Sad to say, but anything that reveals Catholicism in a bad light offends Catholics.
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posted on
10/23/2013 12:15:57 PM PDT
by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
To: metmom
Sad to say, but anything that reveals Catholicism in a bad light offends Catholics. There's a difference between being offended, and in trying to set the record straight. There have been a ton of recent studies on this time period using the actual records of this time that show the Inquisition wasn't all what we have been led to believe. But willful prejudice runs deep, and some people prefer to hang on to salacious myths and "Black Legends" rather than come up to speed on the actual history based on documented facts.
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posted on
10/23/2013 1:42:54 PM PDT
by
fidelis
(Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
To: Sherman Logan
Logan, you have the right to your own opinion, but not to defame the Church legacy by distorting historical facts. Anti-Catholic bigotry is well and alive when fanatics base their hatred in ignorance.
As professor Philip Wayne Powell stated: When Spaniards expelled or punished dissidents, this came to be known as bigotry, intolerance, fanaticism, and a cause of their decline. When Englishmen, Dutchmen, or Frenchmen did the same thing, it is known as unifying the nation or safeguarding it against treason or foreign conspiracy. The killing of Indians by Spaniards became atrocities, or ruthless extermination; but when Englishmen ran Irishmen to death by the thousands in their own bogs, or slaughtered them after surrender, this was called the Irish problem.
Dr. Philip Wayne Powell, Emeritus Professor of history at the University of California, in his research on the “Black Legend” titled the Tree of Hate, (a book that every American should read) asserts that the study of 16th century Europe clearly reveals the universal pattern of cruelty, intolerance, and inhumanity which characterized the social, religious, and economic life throughout the continent...Examples of this were the reigns of Elizabeth I of England and her successor James I which were known for their most barbarous cruelty. However, Dr. Powell affirms “that the Spain of the conquest period was a deeply civilized nation by all discernible European standards of that day, ...In jurisprudence, diplomacy, monarchical, religious and imperial concepts, and total culture, Spain was a European leader throughout the sixteen century and in much of the next.
The University of Salamanca and the College of San Gregorio of Valladolid, recognized the Indians rights to keep their own laws and territories.
In Spain, well-respected people like Cardinal Cisneros, and a group of professors of the University of Salamanca also fought for the rights of the Indians, among them was the famous theologian Melchor Cano. Another group of professors from “Colegio de San Gregorio” in Valladolid also played and important role in this struggle.
However, in the history of the human rights the works of the Dominican priest, Francisco Vitoria, are paramount. Considered the founder of modern international law, Vitoria published in 1532 his famous treatise De Indis in which he established the right of the Indians to their territories and laws and denied to the Spaniards any right to be in the Indies at all, other than that of every man peacefully to go and trade everywhere and the duty of every Christian to convert the heathen.
This document would have transcendental repercussions not only in America but also throughout the whole European jurisprudence. Spain showed the world a humanistic vision unequaled at that point in time. American historian Lewis Hanke corroborates this when he attests that: ...The clash of arms was not the only struggle during the conquest. The clash of ideas that accompanied the discovery of America and the establishment of Spanish rule there is a story that must be told as an integral part of the conquest, and endows it with a unique character worthy of note... The widespread criticism permitted, and even stimulated, by the crown really constitutes one of the glories of Spanish civilization... It is to Spain’s everlasting credit that she allowed men to insist that all her actions in America be just...
It is no wonder that by the end of the 18th century the famous German scholar and naturalist Alexander Humboldt declared: The work of the mines -he pointed out- is absolutely free in the whole kingdom of New Spain; no Indian, no Mestizo, can be forced to work in the mines. It is absolutely untrue that the Court of Madrid sent convicts to America to make them work in the gold and silver mines...This policy was in striking contrast with that of England in her North American colonies. The transportation of English felons to America was also a practice of the British Government... in some instances felons were not the only involuntary emigrants from England whose labor was appropriated. Towards the end of the 18th century it became common practice for captains of English and Dutch vessels to entice ignorant peasants from England, Ireland and Germany, by flattering promises of wealth, to accompany them to America, where they had no sooner arrived than they were sold as bondsmen to defray the cost of their passage and entertainment.
At the beginning of the 19th century, Von Humboldt, after traveling throughout the American Continent wrote a four volume treatise titled Political Essay on the Kingdom of New Spain published in London in 1811. In this work he attested to the riches of the Indians which they preserved throughout the 300 years of Spanish rule. (13) In the Kingdom of New Spain, affirmed Humboldt, at any rate for the last thirty years work in the mines is free. Nowhere are the people allowed to enjoy more completely the fruit of their labors than in the mines of Mexico; no law can force the Indian to choose this kind of work or to prefer this or that mine; if he is displeased with the owner of the mine, the Indian forsakes it to offer his work to another one who pays him more regularly or in cash. These facts are correct and comforting and should be known in Europe...the Mexican miners are the best paid of all the miners. He receives six to seven times more for his labor that a Saxon miner. A carpenter in New Andalucía is paid per day more than a Saxon miner per week.
The way Indians were treated varied according to the place, but generally they were treated better in the Kingdom of New Spain than in Peru. With great vision, Hernán Cortés, who had studied law at the University de Salamanca, tried to save the Indian monuments and with his own money paid for the construction of schools and hospitals providing for them in his will. On the other hand, Francisco Pizarro, an illiterate adventurer without an education, was not as capable handling the extraordinary enterprise that had been provided by his fate. According to Lesley Byrd Simpson, renown North American scholar in Latin America: It seems to me that the average stature of the viceroys of New Spain was so great that no country to my knowledge was ever more fortunate in its rulers...(Mexico) enjoyed a long life (three hundred years!) of relative peace, stability, and prosperity, in marked contrast to the squabbling nations of Europe. Some of the men who made this possible are worth our knowing.
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posted on
10/23/2013 5:03:43 PM PDT
by
Dqban22
To: Claud
Look, Im not asking you to agree with the world-view of the Inquisition here,
Theres a world-view? Singular? One world-view? Is this world-view accurate? Factual? Largely indisputable? Commonly accepted? Forgive me, but I dont think so.
Im just asking you to understand it.
Understand what? Your world view of the Inquisition? No? Then, whose world view of what?
. . . we dont have a single dominant church here like they did in medieval times, and Calvins Geneva, and Tudor England, and the Old Testament.
Youre speaking of Religious Establishment, I take it, and the one establishment that our society has seen fit to prohibit. The prohibition against the establishment of religion is an onus that falls entirely on the state. The Regime may not establish a religion or prohibit its free exercise. The prohibition cannot act on individuals or private institutions; it may act only on the Regime. The Constitution limits and defines only the powers of government. It is the one thing that changes a regime into a government.
Im very much aware of the multiplicity of Judeo-Christian doctrines that have sprouted in Libertys soil, allowing a variety of doctrines to flourish, but I know of no Judeo-Christian adherent who does not, as an article of faith, believe that God created Mankind and the Universe. Do you know of such a person? We all seem to agree on the essentials (depending, of course, on how essentials are defined). Why limit your observation to the Judeo-Christian religion? Does it not apply equally to all religions? Well . . . almost equally.
What of other doctrines, perhaps less obviously religious? What have we learned about the dangers of religious establishment, that we can apply to other doctrines? Such as, for example, of the Political Correctness Establishment?
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posted on
10/23/2013 5:49:38 PM PDT
by
YHAOS
To: YHAOS
I’m talking about the view of the world that the medievals had—and really most Christian civilization.
Slight correction—the Constitution limits the power of the *federal* government in this regard. Many states had established churches into the 1800s.
I don’t see anything wrong with religious establishment.
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posted on
10/24/2013 4:36:56 AM PDT
by
Claud
To: Claud
Im talking about the view of the world that the medievals hadand really most Christian civilization.
Before the advent of Protestantism, you mean? A reaction to medieval RC doctrines and practices? The questions remain; Is this world-view accurate? Factual? Largely indisputable? Commonly accepted?
Slight correctionthe Constitution limits the power of the *federal* government in this regard. Many states had established churches into the 1800s.
Slight addendum to your slight correction.
That the Constitution forbade the power of the federal government to establish a religion and did not address the issue as it effected the several states, was the argument of Jefferson, Madison, and virtually all the Founders. Nonetheless, even prior to the general constitutional discussion on religious establishment, a considerably intense debate on the desirability of religious establishment had been going on for some time (the 1740s) in many of the several states. By the 1830s, this debate had largely subsided with the conclusion that religious establishment is not a beneficial state objective. Hence, no state supported a religious establishment. And this sentiment remains today.
See: Library of Congress Website; Religion and the Founding of the American Republic; V. State Governments; and particularly VIII. Religion and the New Republic,
With the disappearance of efforts by government to create morality in the body politic (symbolized by the termination in 1833 of Massachusetts's tax support for churches) evangelical, benevolent societies assumed that role, bringing about what today might be called the privatization of the responsibility for forming a virtuous citizenry.
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/religion.html
In fact, I would recommend a thorough reading of the entire contents of this website.
I dont see anything wrong with religious establishment.
I take it, then, that you would be just as comfortable residing any one of some 49 Islamic nations as you would be in a Christian nation (assuming there are any of the last remaining)? Or even in nations no more than nominally hostile to all religion?
I take it that your actual reasoning is that you see nothing wrong with a religious establishment of which you would approve.
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posted on
10/24/2013 2:38:29 PM PDT
by
YHAOS
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