Biker mob assaulting NYC Internet executive Alexian Lienn. Photo via CarScoops.com
Posted on 10/05/2013 5:53:28 AM PDT by marktwain
This image of a biker gang pummeling Internet executive Alexian Lienn as his wife helplessly looks on is terrifying.
Biker mob assaulting NYC Internet executive Alexian Lienn. Photo via CarScoops.com
Lienn and his wife were enjoying a day out celebrating their wedding anniversary with their baby daughter when a so-called “pop-up gang” of bikers surrounded them as they drove on Manhattan’s West Side Highway. One biker, later identified as Chistopher Cruz, swerved in front of Lienn’s Range Rover and “brake-checked” the vehicle by slamming on his brakes, forcing the vehicle to stop. 2,000 lb SUVs being much harder to stop than a sport bike weight just hundreds of pounds, the SUV bumped Cruz and came to halt. Other bikers quickly swarmed the SUV, slashing it’s tires and trying to get to the terrified family trapped inside.
We covered the details of what happened next in an earlier article that features a video of the ensuing chase, but that video just coincidentally cuts off before the biker mob pulls a now-trapped Mr. Lienn from his vehicle and beats and stomps him on the pavement as his wife helplessly looks on, their two-year-old daughter in the back seat. Mr. Lienn could have easily been killed, and was completely at the mob’s mercy.
While this particular mob formed in New York City, they can occur anywhere, and the thuggish riders that participate come from far away. Edwin Mieses Jr, the biker left paralyzed as Lienn’s SUV ran over him trying to escape, came all the way for Lawrence, MA for the ride (and had a long arrest record of dozens of motor vehicle infractions).
Video of the attack—and revelations that the NYPD has a policy of ignoring these gangs—has given many people to consider what they would do if caught in a similar situation, and for Americans that live in states where they insist on exercising their freedom, that may involve preparations to use a firearm in self defense.
Long guns (rifles or shotguns) are impractical in vehicles, as are their derivative pistols (AK- and AR-based) because of size limitations.
Small pocket pistols and revolvers, while comfortable for everyday carry, are limited by small magazine/cylinder capacity.
Were I trapped in such a situation, pinned in by traffic and confronted by a hostile mob looking to breach the vehicle’s cabin with the obvious intent of causing my family harm, I’d want a service-sized semi-automatic pistol with a standard-capacity magazine of 15-20 rounds, with at least two spare magazines within close reach.
Frankly, this sort of situation calls for the “Zimmerman special.”
After Florida neighborhood watchman (and road hazard in his own right) George Zimmerman had his Kel-Tec PF9 pistol confiscated and he became the center of a political firestorm, he purchased a FN Five-seveN pistol. He did so at a time when the New Black Panthers put a bounty on his head, and there was the very real possibility that he would have been lynched by a mob if his location were revealed.
He needed a handgun that could carry a large number of rounds, so that he could engage multiple threats quickly and accurate.
We don’t know for sure who helped Zimmermann select the Five-seveN, (though I have a hunch it was probably his Federal Air Marshall friend, Mark Ostermann), but it was an inspired choice. The Five-seveN boasts a factory standard 20-round magazines, and the high-velocity, low-recoiling 5.7x28mm round that lets a shooter get back on target quickly and transition from one target to the next.
When he turned himself in to be charged for murder, Zimmerman turned over his Five-seveN, 3 20-round magazines, and 61 rounds of ammunition that had become part of his everyday carry gear. It was all released back to him after the trial (Zimmerman’s PF9 remains in the custody of a spiteful U.S Department of Justice). He is believed to be carrying this gun to this day.
The Five-seveN is a bit of an exotic, but the same role could just as easily be filled by a Glock 17, Springfield Armory XD, Beretta M9, or any other service-size pistol with a 15+ round magazine capacity with several spare magazines in reserve.
We live in a world where criminal mobs form in minutes via social media, and police would rather ignore them than confront them.
What would you chose to defend your family with in such a situation?
Bob Owens has supported George Zimmerman against the modern lynch mob for quite a while:
http://www.bob-owens.com/2012/04/associated-press-forgets-inconvenient-part-of-zimmerman-story/
I suspect that his comment was meant as humor. Such is always a dangerous thing to do in print.
That was probably what happened to it. It seemed very good to be rid of the brass weight, the mags were ready plastic boxes - no loading or anything, and very few moving parts.
It was touted as basically a tanker’s weapon, small as a sidearm and with performace like top assault rifle.
Are you there? We have friends with a loft condo downtown, we love visiting. They intend to retire there.
Am going to try to get over there sometime in the next few months.
I was suckered. I should have realized if you posted it, the guy is OK. My apologies, Mr. Clemons....
Or even better my Keltec PMR 30 with a 30 round magazine. I don’t leave home without it. :-)
No apology necessary. Bob Owens was suckered by the MSM at the start... and he owned up to it.
http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-i-called-george-zimmerman-a-murderer-and-why-i-was-wrong/
I post stuff from people I disagree with at times.
Actually, anyone obtuse enough to be anywhere near New York deserves what they get, I just hate to see innocent kids put at risk.
Yep, I hadn’t even thought about the gasoline tank angle.
totally agree. if you have to drive for hours do it.
The Remington clones actually weren't bad if you took care of them.
The flash mob attack....how to defend. Everyone needs to read this.
http://www.warriortalknews.com/2011/06/the-mob-attack-what-to-do-to-defend.html
Stupidest thing I ever did was take this really good looking girl out jogging one day in downtown Mogadishu. This was just before the wheels came off in the late ‘80s.
Anyway, she was wearing a skimpy top and short shorts, and I was not thinking clearly, because it was a Friday afternoon, and we were going right past the front door of the Grand Mosque.
We got about two blocks past the mosque before the mob formed on all sides and the rocks started flying. I had previously made a study of the alleys of the nearby slum, so I knew that the four foot wide alleyway to our right transited the slum and left off across the street from our apartment building.
I pushed the girl down the alley and told her to run for her life. I stayed three steps behind her and about ten steps ahead of the mob, all the way home.
If we had not moved at that moment, we would have been dead, or worse. A mob wants to immobilized you. Don’t let it happen. Speed = Life.
Stupidest thing I ever did was take this really good looking girl out jogging one day in downtown Mogadishu. This was just before the wheels came off in the late ‘80s.
Anyway, she was wearing a skimpy top and short shorts, and I was not thinking clearly, because it was a Friday afternoon, and we were going right past the front door of the Grand Mosque.
We got about two blocks past the mosque before the mob formed on all sides and the rocks started flying. I had previously made a study of the alleys of the nearby slum, so I knew that the four foot wide alleyway to our right transited the slum and left off across the street from our apartment building.
I pushed the girl down the alley and told her to run for her life. I stayed three steps behind her and about ten steps ahead of the mob, all the way home.
If we had not moved at that moment, we would have been dead, or worse. A mob wants to immobilized you. Don’t let it happen. Speed = Life.
You’re right. I was being nice. Bold = stupid.
A folding stock carbine version of Saiga or Vepr - an AK in 12 ga layout.
10 round magazine + buckshot is an effective overkill for biker gang.
More ammo gives more options, assumptions on how many rounds one needs is daydreaming. Situations can be fluid, usually numerous attackers, etc.. but pistols are weak anyway, more effective with a long arm...and the mentality of one’s small mouse gun a magical totem to ward off evil is more dangerous fantasy, as many people carry tiny gun for comfort. Another option is another piece in the car with more ammo.
My opinion the optimum carry is a handgun at least big enough one you can handle proficiently accurately and is reliable with high capacity to shoot attacker(s) into the ground, including suppression fire for mobs, biker mobs who are usually armed. Of course driving the car is most effective weapon.
I went jogging/running today with baby Glock 26, extra 17rd mag, 4 inch fixed blade, while black bag of dirty tricks in vehicle had 3 33rd happy sticks, 2 15rd mags, folder, burner phone, trauma kit, utility tool. More fixed blades and bat also in vehicle.
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