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Justice Denied:Second Amendment Case Delayed for Years in D.C.
Gun Watch ^ | 12 September, 2012 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 09/11/2013 6:10:29 PM PDT by marktwain


After the historic decision where the Supreme Court affirmed that the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms applied to individuals in the Heller decision, the victorious attorney Alan Gura filed another suit in the District of Columbia.   The object of this lawsuit was simple: Require the D.C. government to allow a person to carry a handgun for defense outside of the home. From the The Washington Times:

The lawsuit argues that the District’s “laws, customs, practices and policies generally banning the carrying of handguns in public violate the Second Amendment” of the U.S. Constitution. It asks that the District issue licenses to carry guns in public to legal gun owners in the city and to people with valid carry permits from outside the city.
The issue is a simple one: Does the Second Amendment apply outside of the home?  Alan Gura's argument is summarized by an observer who posted on opencarry.org here:

Alan Gura went first. He said this case is pretty simply (sic). He emphasized the Heller decision's definition of bear as to carry on the person a weapon for offensive or defensive use in the event of confrontation. He pointed out that the District has offered no other definition. He pointed out that this is a complete ban on carrying outside the home and is thus very similar to Heller which completely banned possession of handguns. He pointed out that handguns are protected under the second amendment as commonly used arms. He explained that Heller said that the right of self defense is protected by the second amendment and that the DC law bans persons from having handguns for self defense outside the home.

 The case was filed in early on August 6th, 2009.  Early in the case, a decision was expected by the end of April, 2010.    Judge Kennedy did not rule by April of 2010.   

In July of 2010, Alan Gura filed cases concerned with the Second Amendment right to bear arms in New York and in Maryland.

Judge Kennedy did not rule in 2010 at all.   The plaintiffs waited.   Then they waited some more.  The Chief Justice said that all the justices were heavily burdened.   In July of 2011, Palmer v. DC was reassigned to Judge Frederick J. Scullin by Chief Justice Roberts of the Supreme Court.

 Judge Scullin did not rule on the case in 2011.  The case had now been in the courts for two and a half years.

In March, 2012, the Maryland case was favorably ruled on by the original court.

Judge Scullin did not rule on the case in 2012.  However, he did schedule a hearing, cancel it, and reschedule it.  There was a hearing held on October,1, 2012.  The judge said that he would rule quickly, though that is a subjective judgement.

The Maryland case, Woolard, is scheduled to be appealed and heard in the 4th circuit in October, 2012.

In March of 2013, the Fourth Circuit reverses the Woolard District Court ruling.

September 11, 2013.  More than four years have passed since the case was filed.  The Maryland case,  has been heard, ruled on, appealed, and ruled on appeal.  The New York Case has been heard, ruled on, appealed, and ruled on appeal.  Both cases were filed nearly a year after the Palmer case was filed in the District of Columbia.

Speculation abounds that the delay in the District court in D.C. is deliberate. From opencarry.org:

This delay is intentional. Why, you ask? It is because there is no States rights issue in the Federal Disttrict (sic) to balance againmst (sic) the rights of citizens. Delaying this case, and bringing only flawed other cases to SCOTUS means they are playing the waiting game. Wait until one of the 5 conservatives dies, then bring in cases to roll back Heller.
Four years is a long time for a simple ruling.  Perhaps this is  a "hot potato" that the judges do not want their name attached to.  Perhaps they have hoped for another case in the courts to overtake this one and render it moot.   

Since the case was filed, Illinois was forced by a ruling in the Seventh Circuit to pass a shall issue concealed carry permit law, leaving the District of Columbia the only jurisdiction in the nation that has a complete ban on the carry of handguns outside of the home.

It is clear that Justice has long been delayed in this case.  Actions such as this, though they may be innocent, give the impression of corruption, of a lack of concern for the Constitution.    They erode public confidence in the judicial system.   The time for a decision in this case is long, long, overdue.   To paraphrase the famous quote, justice has long been delayed, and has thus been denied.


 ©2013 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice is included.

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TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; dc; guncontrol; palmer; secondamendment
This case should have gone to the D.C. circuit years ago. It is very clear. This may be part of the reason it has suffered such a long delay.
1 posted on 09/11/2013 6:10:29 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
When President William McKinley was shot, his assassin was arrested -- and executed 45 days later.

We used to be a lot quicker in our justice system. Then we noticed that bad people were getting the short end of ther stick, so we slowed the whole thing way down.

2 posted on 09/11/2013 6:17:38 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: marktwain

Mark, I’m thinking that it’s getting time to man up and admit that the gun control issue is about black violence and the gun grabber crowd doesn’t want blacks walking around with legally concealed firearms.

DC is heavily populated with blacks, as is , NYC, L.A., Chicago and Oakland. The mayors of those cities certainly must toss and turn all night long trying to figure out how to keep guns out of the hands of the city residents. They need to talk to Governors from Arizona, Alaska, Wyoming, New Hampshire to learn the truth about guns.


3 posted on 09/11/2013 6:25:27 PM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- h<<ttp://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: marktwain

Shamefully indicative that the federal courts are corrupt. The fish rots from the head down.

Maybe it is time to start a vigorous debate on what Amendments are indicated when enough states pass legislation calling for a Convention. The mere discussion will drive the left (er, “progressives”) crazy and frantic.


4 posted on 09/11/2013 6:46:03 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat

Missouri has a “knock-out” or “retention” vote on each judge periodically. If a judge has been objectionable, voters have the chance to remove them from office. It is time to revamp the federal courts and to allow the States to overturn outrageous rulings like ObamaCareTax and Kello.


5 posted on 09/11/2013 6:48:09 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: B4Ranch
Mark, I’m thinking that it’s getting time to man up and admit that the gun control issue is about black violence and the gun grabber crowd doesn’t want blacks walking around with legally concealed firearms.

The simple fact of the matter is that all so-called "gun control" laws have always been founded upon the unwillingness of self-appointed "better" people, most white, to allow non-white people to keep and bear arms.

The first "gun control" laws, written long before there was a United States, were adopted specifically to prohibit black slaves and Indians from having anything to do with guns. To this day, "gun control" laws are adopted first and last because people are terrified at the thought of young, male, unmarried people of color walking around with guns. You'll never hear self-proclaimed "liberals" or "progressives" admit a single word of that, but if you trace the history of "gun control," you'll notice each new exercise of it coincides perfectly with upwellings of fear of armed non-white young males.

It really is exactly that simple.

6 posted on 09/11/2013 6:56:22 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: marktwain

Asaad is calling for drone strikes to enforce the international “norm” for bearing arms.


7 posted on 09/11/2013 7:00:38 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: B4Ranch
DC is heavily populated with blacks, as is , NYC, L.A., Chicago and Oakland. The mayors of those cities certainly must toss and turn all night long trying to figure out how to keep guns out of the hands of the city residents. They need to talk to Governors from Arizona, Alaska, Wyoming, New Hampshire to learn the truth about guns.

Doesn't add up. If they were only doing wrong things in local ordinances, and leaving us out in the free part of the country alone, we'd probably leave them alone. But they keep trying to infringe on our rights on a national level. If their concern is only in the cities, which they control anyway, why the attempts to screw with the rest of us?

8 posted on 09/11/2013 10:16:01 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: marktwain

They are hoping a conservative will die first so they can put another Commie on the SCOTUS. I’m praying to the Lord that all conservatives SCOTUS members live another 3 years.

Not that it matters. Hillary will be elected in 2016 and appoint equally communist members.


9 posted on 09/12/2013 12:17:57 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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