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Is it sinful to kill in self-defense?
The San Fernando Valley NRA Members' Council ^
| 7/14/2013
Posted on 07/14/2013 8:05:45 PM PDT by Redcloak
Is it sinful to kill in self-defense?
This is a topic that I’ve been wanting to write about for a while now and this rant from NEA Vice President Lily Eskelsen Garcia got me thinking about the subject again. At the Netroots Nation conference, Garcia said of gun rights supporters…
“I’m not an ordained minister; I’m not a theologian, but these guys are going to hell.”
I’m not an ordained minister or a theologian either, but what does God think of those of us who own firearms? Did He really give us a right to keep and bear arms; to have deadly weapons?
Ultimately, the right to keep and bear arms is about the People retaining the ability to use deadly force to defend themselves, as a group or as individuals, from harm. If we are endowed by our Creator with the right to life, then the it follows that we have the right as individuals to possess the means necessary to defend ourselves from those intent upon harming us and threatening our lives. That threat may come from a criminal or from a tyrant, but the concept is the same; the right to possess defensive arms is a basic human right and one that the 2nd Amendment recognizes and protects.
But the question many people of faith ask is this: Is it moral to use deadly force in self defense? Do we sin against God by killing in self defense?
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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment; selfdefense
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This had been floating around in my head for a while. Lily Eskelsen Garcia's comments and more recent events pushed me to complete it.
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posted on
07/14/2013 8:05:46 PM PDT
by
Redcloak
To: Redcloak
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posted on
07/14/2013 8:06:32 PM PDT
by
clamper1797
(Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
To: Redcloak
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posted on
07/14/2013 8:08:13 PM PDT
by
Secret Agent Man
(Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
To: Redcloak
I’d prefer talk to God about it later rather than sooner.
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posted on
07/14/2013 8:08:42 PM PDT
by
Mastador1
(I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
To: Redcloak
People have debated it for a long time. But, remember, the Bible makes a distinction between kill and murder ...
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posted on
07/14/2013 8:08:52 PM PDT
by
Lmo56
(If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
To: Redcloak
"But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."
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posted on
07/14/2013 8:11:09 PM PDT
by
Licensed-To-Carry
(Hey Obama! It's all your fault now, you own it.)
To: Lmo56
I would certainly protect myself or loved ones with force if faced with immenate danger! It is no time for "TURN THE OTHER CHEEK"!
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posted on
07/14/2013 8:13:31 PM PDT
by
joyce11111
(he police minute)
To: Redcloak
Nope. Please refer to the Catechism of the Catholic Church 2263-2267.
From the same good people who assembled the Holy Bible itself.
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posted on
07/14/2013 8:13:36 PM PDT
by
rwilson99
(Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
To: Redcloak
Only an idiot or an evil person with an agenda
for control would believe such a ludicrous thing.
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posted on
07/14/2013 8:15:07 PM PDT
by
nvscanman
To: Lmo56
That’s why I went back to the original text; especially the Hebrew. The Hebrew word “ratsach” (ra-tsak) is what was translated into the English language of 1611 as “kill”. My guess is that “kill” meant murder to many Englishmen in 1611; so at the time, that was a valid translation. In 2013, we wouldn’t choose “kill” as the correct English word. We’d choose “murder”.
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posted on
07/14/2013 8:16:23 PM PDT
by
Redcloak
(Winter is coming.)
To: Redcloak
The fact that Peter carried his sword and attacked with it when Jesus was arrested, tells me that it was always with him, and was for self defense, even though in that particular incident, Jesus didn’t want defending or the sword used.
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posted on
07/14/2013 8:17:12 PM PDT
by
ansel12
( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
To: Redcloak
Is it sinful to kill in self-defense? It is righteous and sanctioned by scripture to beat the
bloody hell out of blogpimps and fags. If they die as a
result they're just reaping the fruit they have themselves sown.
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posted on
07/14/2013 8:18:29 PM PDT
by
humblegunner
(Creepy Ass Cracker)
To: Redcloak
No, it’s not a sin to kill in self defense.
God made my Soul, and for awhile gives me this Earthly body. HE has a time limit on my life, not another mortal.
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posted on
07/14/2013 8:19:04 PM PDT
by
Shadowstrike
(Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
To: Licensed-To-Carry
"But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." And bear in mind that the sword was the AK-47 or M4 of its day. It was the standard issue infantry weapon of the time.
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posted on
07/14/2013 8:19:14 PM PDT
by
Redcloak
(Winter is coming.)
To: Redcloak
The “Arm-Chair Theologians” always throw out the commandment “Thou Shalt Not Kill.” If “killing” another human being was a “sin” then God would be full of “sin” by His act of the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah etc etc. The correct interpretation of the commandment is “Thou Shall Not Murder.” Defending life with lethal force is a judgment call that can be justified when warranted.
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posted on
07/14/2013 8:19:18 PM PDT
by
missnry
(The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals crazy!)
To: Licensed-To-Carry
Right, and Peter obviously was allowed to carry his sword when he was with Jesus.
Except for martyrdom for your faith, my personal opinion is you should kill to defend yourself and your family. Also to stop someone else from killing like yur neighbor. The Jews came to that conclusion after WWII. Never again will they be led like sheep to the slaughter.
To my way of thinking it would be a sin to let harm come to anyone and you had the means to prevent it. It's also meritorious to lay down your life so someone else might live in certain situations.
Now if the police are harming someone, once I would have said you don't interfere. Well, you still don't interfere if you don't want to get shot or seriously manhandled but that was before I saw and learned some things about police brutality, excessive force.
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posted on
07/14/2013 8:20:38 PM PDT
by
Aliska
To: Lmo56
Original Hebrew if I recall was “Thou shalt not murder”. As in maliciously. If it was a sin how many millions of good men would be in hell due to war? Murder on the other hand is a premeditated. This is just my opinion.
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posted on
07/14/2013 8:21:38 PM PDT
by
crazydad
(Obamamohamed is a traitor)
To: Redcloak
Is it sinful to let yourself be killed if you are able to defend yourself?
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posted on
07/14/2013 8:22:19 PM PDT
by
SkyDancer
(Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
To: Shadowstrike
I would argue that you not only have a right to defend the life that God gave you, but a duty to do so.
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posted on
07/14/2013 8:23:04 PM PDT
by
Redcloak
(Winter is coming.)
To: Redcloak
Is it sinful to kill in self-defense?No, but it's sinful not to.
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