Posted on 06/22/2013 3:11:29 PM PDT by ReformationFan
A commenter in the earlier post about Exodus International is checking to see if I am ashamed of Leviticus 20:13 yet, which I am not. But before proceeding, let me quote that verse in full.
“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them” (Lev. 20:13).
This passage is the Word of God, and before moving on to how we are to receive and apply it today, let us — by which I mean all Christians who believe the Scripture — affirm that this law, as originally given, was holy, righteous, and good. This means that in the time of Moses, if a homosexual acted out his impulses, doing what is here forbidden, and was caught in that deed, and was duly tried and executed, no injustice whatever was done. This law, along with the rest of God’s law, teaches us what holiness means. To apologize for it, or to refuse to talk about it, because the perpetrators of unholy deeds today might find it offensive, is to contribute heavily to the lostness of a very lost generation.
So what about today? How should passages like Lev. 20:13 be received and applied? There are legitimate secondary questions that arise from this, like what the ideal law would be in a postmillennial republic. I have written about this elsewhere, but our chief task is to get there, and not so much to speculate about what it might be like when we do. And so how are we to get there? The answer is gospel, and nothing but gospel, and passages like Lev. 20:13 (unapologized for) play a key role in this.
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well, that's sort of chicken-eggish, eh?
They are the entire purpose -- which is why contraception is negation of sex.
Thanks for your good posts. Will read this tomorrow.
It’s my theory that the ancient Hebrews and early Christians, like the ancient Greeks, thought that the potential life was entirely in the semen, and that the womb was only a planting place, so that spilling or discarding semen was very much akin to abortion.
It’s also possible to read Onan’s sin as not being the simple spilling of seed, but the robbing his brother of posterity, the sexual use of Tamar without giving her children, the disobedience of God’s law regarding one’s brother’s widow, and his father’s direct command.
Given what happens to Onan, it doesn’t make any sense to me that Judah gets away with having intercourse with a prostitute, the disguised Tamar. What do the Biblical writers think prostitutes do with semen? They block it, kill it, wash it out, they practice abortion, they expose their children.
Orthodox Jewish rabbis permit the IUD and the pill if a couple has serious reasons for wishing to avoid pregnancy, but not the condom, valuing semen over embryos, or so it seems to me. Maybe it’s the physical marriage union that’s more important than embryos.
more information than I need, thank you.
i’m not religeous in any way and i think all queers should be executed!
The prohibition against making a tatoo applies to Jews. If you’re not Jewish, tatoo away!
Am I going to Hell?
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Obviously! /sarc
Yes, I have read that opinion before by Albert Mohler Jr., president of The (SBC) Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, KY, about the 600+ laws in the OT. And I remember reading in the NT the debate among the 12 disciples whether gentile males would have to submit to adult circumcision in order to become Jew/Christian. I guess the 10 Commandments don't fall in this category of Jewish law since they were passed directly to Moses by the heavenly Father?
They are the entire purpose
It is why we are not to be as “promiscuous” as animals.
Read Song of Solomon. It is not about procreation. ;-)
“Anyone who wants to kill homosexuals should be prosecuted for attempted murder,”
Thank you god, for setting us all straight. GFY
From a quick search on the net, seems to make sense:
http://redeemer.com/news_and_events/newsletter/?aid=363
excerpt:
The entire book of Hebrews explains that the Old Testament ceremonial laws were not so much abolished as fulfilled by Christ. Whenever we pray ‘in Jesus name’, we ‘have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus’ (Hebrews 10:19). It would, therefore, be deeply inconsistent with the teaching of the Bible as a whole if we were to continue to follow the ceremonial laws.
The New Testament gives us further guidance about how to read the Old Testament. Paul makes it clear in places like Romans 13:8ff that the apostles understood the Old Testament moral law to still be binding on us. In short, the coming of Christ changed how we worship but not how we live. The moral law is an outline of God’s own character—his integrity, love, and faithfulness. And so all the Old Testament says about loving our neighbor, caring for the poor, generosity with our possessions, social relationships, and commitment to our family is still in force. The New Testament continues to forbid killing or committing adultery, and all the sex ethic of the Old Testament is re-stated throughout the New Testament (Matthew 5:27-30; 1 Corinthians 6:9-20; 1 Timothy 1:8-11.) If the New Testament has reaffirmed a commandment, then it is still in force for us today.
Further, the New Testament explains another change between the Testaments. Sins continue to be sins—but the penalties change. In the Old Testament things like adultery or incest were punishable with civil sanctions like execution. This is because at that time God’s people existed in the form of a nation-state and so all sins had civil penalties.
But in the New Testament the people of God are an assembly of churches all over the world, living under many different governments. The church is not a civil government, and so sins are dealt with by exhortation and, at worst, exclusion from membership. This is how a case of incest in the Corinthian church is dealt with by Paul (1 Corinthians 5:1ff. and 2 Corinthians 2:7-11.) Why this change? Under Christ, the gospel is not confined to a single nation—it has been released to go into all cultures and peoples.
Once you grant the main premise of the Bible—about the surpassing significance of Christ and his salvation—then all the various parts of the Bible make sense. Because of Christ, the ceremonial law is repealed. Because of Christ the church is no longer a nation-state imposing civil penalties. It all falls into place. However, if you reject the idea of Christ as Son of God and Savior, then, of course, the Bible is at best a mish-mash containing some inspiration and wisdom, but most of it would have to be rejected as foolish or erroneous.
if we had to have 15 minutes of standing on our heads each day, we'd probably have some interesting rituals surrounding that.
Not even the 10 Commandments are applicable to gentiles (you can surmise I’m giving you Jewish dogma here.) Rather the ‘seven laws of thw children of Noah. See www.noahide.org
Note that homosexual intercourse, theft, murder, etc DO fall under the blanket of these 7 laws....
Thank you. It is always good to revisit these issues for correct instruction and re-inforcement.
but would there be hunger at all if eating did not serve a purpose?
Same with sex. “Hornyness” is a desire for something you need. Without that desire, the human race would never have been.
And man has the ability, with both, to bring to the table more than just the raw performance of the task to keep himself and the species functioning.
I will add this: With man, sex brings an emotional element that does not exist with animals. Another thing: Human females are not like other mammals. They do not become desirous of a sexual partner only when “in heat”.
The human body we occupy is extremely complex, both physically and physiologically. It is why we have fancy kitchenware stores and sex-toy stores. And both needs, when unmet, bring unpleasant results.
When a person with a sexual appetite does not get that appetite fulfilled, there are very negative circumstances to that person and they may expand to his/her relationship with others. This is one reason women used to let their husband “have his way” with them even though they were “never” in the mood. The bible is pretty clear about who’s body a spouses is. Our generation forgot that.
It is why there are a LOT of frustrated married men in this country. In a previous marriage I was one of them. That person set me free after 20 years and I’ve been married to the woman of by dreams for 15 years now. We are completely sexually compatible. And my live outside the bedroom changed markedly. I’ve gone from being a total whimp (”whipped” would be the more accurate term) to being pretty much the alpha dog wherever I go. Who knew?!
Nonetheless, sex is about babies, for all creatures, regardless of any other benefits or liabilities.
Nonetheless, sex is about babies, for all creatures, regardless of any other benefits or liabilities.
Cars are about transportation. If we didn’t go anywhere, we wouldn’t need them. I still really like the particular cars I have. It is because God, in his infinite wisdom, blessed us with an appreciation for what they can do.
Same thing with sex. Read song of Solomon. Sex is a gift from God. And like food, it is not only an appetite, but something he gave us an appreciation for. Adam saw Eve and liked what he saw.
God seems to have been so concerned for the procreation of the race that he bribed mankind with pleasure and delusion.
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