Just the death announcement with the information that she lived for ONE DAY.
Posted on 06/20/2013 2:58:17 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
Sheriff Arpaio's lead investigator Mike Zullo just concluded a new interview this afternoon at 3:30pm central time and revealed that he will get Congressional movement on Obama's fraudulent documents after their summer break. He also revealed that they have in possession two Hawaiian birth certificates from 1961 that reveal that the term 'Negro' was used for black babies instead of the term 'African'.
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The attending physician was from the hospital to which the infant had been sent, he wasn't the delivering doctor, he would have needed something to identify the child before he could 'sign off' on a death certificate, right? And just what might that identification have been? Something like a certificate of birth from the Wahiawa Hospital?
In the name of Tomiyo Sunhara.
If everything now rests upon Virginia NOT having any birth record, even in the name of her father...when she reached what-ever hospital she was transferred to for emergency treatment, aren't we closing the door to what might have been the reason her cerificate number is so much out of sequence? Don't we want to know what lies behind that Mean Absolute Error?
Find Mae Obado and I'll forget about it.
Mean Absolute Error.
Errr - only female names?
Call a cemetery and ASK them how it all works when an infant one day old dies. They will tell you.
The Dr. that attends at the death signs the DC paperwork. The parents sign paperwork also. I know this personally - I have been through it.
Stop looking for loopholes in this one thing - they don’t exist.
This saga doesn't just have loopholes, it's a whole new variety of swiss cheese. I happen to believe that my questions are valid.
Errr - only female names?
I really don't follow what you mean by 'only female names' - it seems to me we already discussed that Mae is a SECOND name and that would suggest Corinna Mae Obar was a genuine first, middle and last name. It's the OBADO MAE that doesn't appear to be a genuine FIRST NAME/SURNAME, according to your previous observation.
I think we know the answer to that one. OBADO is a duplicate Mean Absolute Error. My guess/gut feeling is that entry is number 10611. The name we are interested in on that list belongs to the child whose father was the kenyan student and the mother was Ann/Anna Obama. The birth date is sometime in January.
It's just going to take a while to sink in. Without OBADO DUPLICATE MAE there might have been two names the same on that alphabetical list.
The list is already manipulated though. If they wanted a name added or deleted they could just manually add or delete it. That’s how Norman and Nathan Asing got on there.
In the index pages I’ve seen there are duplicate entries for the same person. The names are slightly different but it’s clear that it’s the same person - as, for instance, somebody who was a “Jr.” Usually the difference in the names on the 2 records is whether there’s an initial or a full middle name. Stanley Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro was a master at using different variations of names and initials - or the people hiding her records are masters at it. It’s a way that Muslims also hide their identities and ensure that they are “overlooked” in searches/matches, etc, IMHO. Different spellings, different combinations of names, different combinations of initials and words...
So when it comes to the birth index they’ve got a lot of leeway - if they’re going to edit the printout.
I REALLY wish I could spend some time looking around at that birth index...
Just the death announcement with the information that she lived for ONE DAY.
You aren’t asking questions. You are assuming things. Such as a BC being REQUIRED before a DC can be issued. That is wrong. The birth info is needed yes, but not the BC.
Such as MAE definitely meaning something other than a name. If it DID, it would apply to both masculine and feminine names. I don’t find this to have been the case. If you can show one example of this I will jump on your bandwagon with the whole MAE thing.
Uh, yeah. We know all about that. *cough*
It seems to me they neatly edited that index by what we can see there. I'm really only interested in why there would be a duplicate entry above the name for zero. A duplicate entry for OBADO whose name we are expected to read as MAE, which doesn't stand for a first name, but looks like an ACRONYM.
Try this line of thinking - if they hadn't duplicated the name OBADO - how could they have entered the word DUPLICATE?
Obado it had to be to be a duplicate, and Obado is what you see. But as the entry wasn't statistically significant, it had to be annulled by being identified as an ERROR, or we would be looking to see what happened to the child named Obado Duplicate Mae.
There was an alternative. They could have shown the name we are interested in as a duplicate entry error, but boy, wouldn't THAT have raised some eyebrows....?
I'm going to leave it there.
I’m not asking you to jump on any bandwagon.
Rather a childish comment - care to explain what you mean by that?
I've never heard that term, Mean Absolute Error, used before in this context and it seems like an odd label for an error anywhere but statistics or analytical math. Not saying you're wrong, just seems odd or is new to me.
However, I have heard the name May or Mae quite a few times, whether as a first or middle name. Peter Parker's Aunt May. Or the Southern stereotype Daisy May, among others.
Something else that confuses me about your theories, why would a proud "don't you be callin' me a Negro" Kenyan born African let his son be claimed, so to speak, by the Americans, no matter where his son's bio-mom might be from?
Would he believe that his nationality and citizenship also belongs to his Son, he is Kenyan, so his son is also Kenyan, or does he let the white American woman claim him for her country?
That would seem a bit, you know...colonial to me. How does that work?
And how is birth info transmitted? A telephone call, a Memo, or a hospital record of birth that accompanied the infant when it was transferred from Wahiawa? I can imagine the mother going with the child, but not that the infant would be transferred from one hospital to another without any identification.
If all rests on the child NOT having a birth certificate written up when she was born, a document that attested to her live birth, then that's simply shutting the door so that no more questions can be asked.
You've got me totally perplexed, if no birth certificate was required for an infant who died one day after birth, why did they raise an AMENDEMENT two weeks later, with a certificate number 400+ in the future?
Where might the information on the COLB have come from? But I did say I was going to leave it there...so carry on without my silly questions.
I FOUND THAT NOTICE ON MICROFILM. There, happy? I don’t recall if I found it to confirm it after someone else had seen it, or if I was asked specifically to look for that - either way, it was in the copies of the newspapers that I collected, and that my friend collected for me in HI.
I, and my fellow little band of researchers, are the people that FIRST collected and compiled the info on the Sunaharas.
I though you knew that.
We are also the ones that collected the first images of the different Index Books. I though you knew that.
Go back to square one, start at the beginning.
“... Mean Absolute Error, used before in this context and it seems like an odd label for an error anywhere but statistics or analytical math.”
Agreed. “Mae” is a name. I think this “mean absolute error” conjecture has run its course.
Is this oddly used term critical or can I continue onward through the fog without it?
Cliff note me up to speed, please.
I’m outa here after this last reply, you can take all the credit you deserve or need, no one is disputing where the information came from. It’s what it is.
And MAE just happens to be an ACRONYM for Mean Absolute Error which is a term that relates somehow to statistics, which is what birth/death records are... and it’s just ambiguous enough that it’s useful, it cancells out a duplicate entry.
Without the MAE the total births for 1960-1964 would have included OBADO DUPLICATE - AS A BIRTH.
When I lost a child at birth, I filled out paperwork, so did the Dr. The infant had an ID band. The paperwork went with the body. The paperwork ALWAYS travels with a patient/deceased transfer. The funeral homes handle it at that point. That is a function they perform.
I received the BC in the mail about a month after I had the DC.
I RARELY speak of very personal things, but you see, in this I do actually have personal experience. I was assured a BC was not necessary for burial. It just isn’t in the case of an infant mortality.
In addition, Mrs. Sunahara was interviewed. In person. The cemeteries also provided good information.
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