Posted on 04/22/2013 11:26:33 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
Thanks to the editors at http://www.answeringmuslims.com/ here are some of the commands from Allah to Muslims on how they must treat non-Muslims.
Qur’an 3:32—Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers.
Qur’an 5:51—O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
Qur’an 9:29—Fight those who believe not in Allah...
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Link provided upthread.
Hyperventilation when a logical reply would have sufficed. Typical.
It was a joy reading Blasater1960’s (and others) counters and challenges on that thread. I’m so sorry they upset you so much.
When you’ve recovered, perhaps you can get back to the article instead of drawing pathetic baiting tangents.
Daniel did give a logical reply nor was he baiting, but there’s nothing quite like hyperbole when trying to discredit an opponent by accusing them of all manner of unsubstantiated claims.
Atheists do not believe because they do not want to believe. And they also use classic liberal debate techniques, which serve only to try to discredit the messenger and not address the message.
Typical....
The apostle Paul, one of them himself states thus....
1 Corinthians 1:18-31 18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.” 20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; 28 God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, 29 so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. 30 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 31 so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
Of those who fancy themselves intellectual elites and sneer at those who have faith, the cross is folly to them. I'm sure you know the type.
No, there is nothing moral about child slaughter, even though the children may be of Amalek. They were still infants and babies. Neither was there any in using captured women and children and forcibly “marrying” them, which is nothing less than rape. How enlightening it would have been for a person such as yourself to be forced into their shoes and perhaps view the situation from that angle.
Any more distractions? We were talking about the brainwashing of Muslims, originally.
Typical. You have resorted to that line before. Time for a new one.
It was a joy reading Blasater1960’s (and others) counters and challenges on that thread. I’m so sorry they upset you so much.
It seems you are the one who gets upset when you see something that in some way positively supports a religion, and will even resort to advocating the arguments of one against another when you reject both. And why have you done attacked faith for years on a pro-God forum?
When you’ve recovered, perhaps you can get back to the article instead of drawing pathetic baiting tangents.
It is you who engage in baiting Christians, and invoke Jewish or Muslim views against Christianity when in reality it is your practice to denigrate all religion. You think i did not see thru this? Do you want to be exposed more?
He’s not fooling anyone, except perhaps, himself.
Of course valid arguments countering a religion can come from any source, including and especially from those antagonistic to it (in this case, the Jews).
I’m surprised you didn’t even realise this to be the case.
When a religion propounds itself as the truth, and thereby tries to knock others down, an objective, unbiased evaluator would be obliged to hear the counter views to see if they have any gravitas. And boy, does Blasater1960’s arguments against the failures of alleged prophecy have weight. He was tearing up the place with his challenges. Where he fails though is in the larger theological implications, but that’s immaterial in that specific scope where the claims of Christianity were being evaluated against the basics of Judaism, not Atheism.
Well how absolutely objective and superior of you to exclude even as a possibility that the author of life could not have known what was best for infants and babies, taking them to Himself and stopping them from ending up like their terminally degenerate tribe, and providing husbands and children on the victorious side for women, which executing the rest of the guilty. And seeing as all have sinned, God would be just in executing all.
But here is the paradox. Atheists will blame God for allowing evil men to exist, then condemn Him when He wipes them out, yet He is the author of moral reasoning that judges evil as evil, and preserved the very record of His actions against evil, and the effects it has on all, upon which the atheists engage in their presumptuous elitist moral indignation. Yet under the objectively baseless moral reasoning atheism allows, all sort of evil can be sanctioned as beneficial. As they want to be as God.
Any more distractions? We were talking about the brainwashing of Muslims, originally.
In which you invoked Muslim arguments against the Bible, and then Jewish arguments against Christianity, as you war against both. So why should i not deal with this as with pretense?
Why don’t you share the one or you that you find most compelling?
I think I’ve said it quite clearly before that everything is game in the evaluation of truth, including invoking arguments from those antagonistic to the proponents of the claims being challenged.
You see this as a baiting game, I see this as a wholistic approach to measuring the truth of a claim. If the Jews can visibly demonstrate the failures from unfulfilled prophecy that the Christians claim, this becomes an argument against Christianity. Why should such an approach not be entertained? Your approach is illogical because you think it’s wrong to do this. Sheer nonsense.
Read Blasater1960’s replies in the link provided earlier. Especially the latter ones. No serious claimant can disregard them without a proper response, if they also want to claim to be intellectually honest.
All of them were compelling. I could choose one but unfortunately something is wrong with FR today and the pages aren’t loading all comments. If you can get the thread to load fully, find the comment where he talks about unfulfilled prophecies. That’s a good one for starters.
I can’t get it to load either.
Surely since you are so moved by these unfulfilled prophecies you can remember just one and not force us to go back and forth between threads.
So an entity creates a life, then asks another life to destroy it because it foresees the destruction that the former life can bring. Why create that life in the first place, then? A god cannot regret, while yours does. I am not going to delve into this much, here. We discussed this plenty in the other thread.
The original thread speaks about Muslims and my comment was about why they will always be enmical toward Christians and Jews. There can be no peace with Muslims if they (the Muslims) are true to their barbaric faith.
He listed a whole collection of unfulfilled prophecies. I can’t remember them off my head but he was careful in being specific. My approximation will not do justice to the holistic (wholesomeness, not holy) quality of his arguments. I’m not bothered as much as I am glad to find such a high quality of argument, from an opponent, no less, but directed at another opponent.
I debated a Rabbi himself at length years ago, and i doubt there is much new or a challenge i did not deal with, or men like Michael Brown have in debates and books .
However, at least we know this is not really about Islam anymore, but you are not going to succeed by sending us off to a Jewish apologist as the real issue is your atheistic agenda that rejects all religion, and the judgment it affects. If you think this guy is hot stuff then why did you not denigrate the God of the OT and debate him???
That is your problem; if you cannot allow for a a higher purpose, and that God can both be omniscient and yet be grieved or pleased when will is exercised according to what was foreseen. That God cannot, based upon them manner He expresses it, is a limitation of the infinite on your (superior) part.
Note however, that the destroying another life was not simply because it foresees the destruction that the former life can bring, as you limit it, but was first based on what they had and were impenitently doing.
I am not going to delve into this much, here. We discussed this plenty in the other thread.
I know we have and with others like kosta50 before he was banned.
Yawn.
Their god is dead and can't do diddly squat. They would cut off the head of someone who came out with a different version.
Try speaking with an ex-muslim to get the truth or you can continue with their mindset of their belief. Your choice - it's your eternity, not ours.
“ BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,” They? no, SHE WILL CALL him Immanuel. Not so inspired eh?
God's Word IS inspired - it is blaster who is not.
A mother names her son 'Immanuel' - so what does she and everyone else (THEY) call him? 'Immanuel'
Also, when two are married they are considered 'one'. So we hear in our personal life, what did they name or call him? Or what did she name him? And that is what the parents/family/friends - THEY - call him. So whether it is 'THEY' or 'SHE' and "call' or 'name' - 'shall or will' it is all the same.
Blaster obviously didn't read or understand this .... "He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life." @ Cor 3:6
Your mentor, blaster, is hung up on a word - when it's the Spirit that gives Life to His Word. It is God who makes us competent, not ourselves. So blaster or you trying to be competent here - without God's Spirit - is just not going to happen.
Not so inspired eh?
Wrong. It's more like the blaster what God's Word calls him - a 'natural' man, 'a person without the Spirit'. It appears he overlooked 1 Cor 2:14 OR did read it and is hell bent in proving it is not true - when he, himself, proves it is true by reading his words Not so inspired eh?.
"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned ONLY THROUGH THE SPIRIT." 1 Cor 2:14
Question is why are you, blaster and others trying to convince those who are spirit filled Christians - the very ones who DO understand God's Holy Spirit inspired Word - that HIS Word is not true and/or not inspired? Perhaps digging deep will reveal to you what your beef really is. For it is your beef, not ours.
God is no respector of persons - so you were given the same choice to have what WE have but you chose differently. So don't say we don't have what you have chosen NOT to have. It's not rocket science as neither is 'name' and 'call', 'they', 'she' 'shall' 'will' is. For even a 'natural' man can 'get' that.
I'm not disputing your choice to be an atheist - so who is the angry one here? When someone is telling you the Truth, you can dispute it all you want - remember, it is for YOUR sake that they do it, not their's. All we do is 'tell' someone, it is YOU who 'chooses' your own destiny.
I'll leave with this - God gave everyone a knowledge that there is a God. It is up to you to seek and find that inner knowledge given to you. May you realize that you looked in all the wrong places.
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