Obama birth certificate story not going away

Coach is Right ^ | 4/21/13 | George Spelvin

[Oldpuppymax]

According to lead Obama investigator Mike Zullo, fear of ridicule is the number one reason authorities are not acting on the mountain of verifiable evidence of document fraud concerning Barack Obama’s birth certificate. Appearing on the Carl Gallups, Freedom Friday call-in show, Zullo said, “We are dealing with a fraudulent document that would never survive scrutiny of the judicial process.” (1)

Disinformation and the intentional dissemination of false information to protect Obama, will not survive in the face of what Zullo is calling a 100% fabricated document. He listed the following tactics used to discredit the research of Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s...

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.theobamafile.com/_eligibility/Abercrombie.htm

[edge919]

Abercrombie said "something" was "written down" in the State Archives. Of course, this is problematic because the State Archives don't contain anything more recent than 75 years old. Here's where Fukino said the long form was half handwritten and half typed.

Before she would do so, Fukino said, she wanted to inspect the files — and did so, taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files.

link to NBC story by Michael Isikoff

[Fred Nerks]

thanks, she said she found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama...

Doesn't sound like this one, does it?

[edge919]

No. The only parts that are handwritten are the signatures and the dates next to them, which would always be handwritten and wouldn’t provide a strong reason to point that out. And with Gov. Abercrombie saying the record was “written down” ... one would expect to see other fields on the document be handwritten. Too bad nobody in the press ever followed up for an explanation from either of those two.

[Fred Nerks]

It’s only crazy, conspiracy-driven birthers who ask such obvious questions.s/

I believe there’s something on record, but what it is, they cannot afford to show us. I suspect the child on the birth index for 1960-1964 wasn’t born in August 1961, and his mother’s name wasn’t Stanley Ann Dunham.

[greeneyes]

Pubbies did help force Nixon out. I don’t remember Dems ever doing anything like that. They defended Alger Hiss and Clinton for example.

[4Zoltan]

“Doesn’t sound like this one, does it?”

This is not the entire Standard Certificate of Live Birth that was used in 1961. There is additional information to the left of the demographic information. If you zoom in on the left side of the document where the graphic lines bend and look to the left of box 7d, you can just make out a printed “?”. This is most likely medical data about the child and the mother. This information is not released to the parents.

In 1961, they were using the 1956 version of the Standard Certificate of Live Birth. That version had three additional questions required by the Federal government and any additional questions that the State of Hawaii might require.

Here is the procedure as outlined by Dr. Charles Bennett (he signed both Nordyke sister’s BCs)in a 1955 Hawaii Medical Journal article,

1.) Nurse or clerk fills out the BC.
2.) Mother signs the BC.
3.) Doctor fills in medical information on the BC.
4.) Doctor signs the BC.
5.) BC is sent to the DOH.

http://www.wnd.com/files/CHARLESBENNETT.pdf

If the boxes to the left of the demographic information was handwritten by the doctor, the entire BC might appear to be half written and half typed.

[sheik yerbouty]

Cong Jose Serrano, a Bronx NY Congresscritter wants to put foth a bill to allow the 0bamanation to run or a third term. His idiot minions will demand it..

[Kenny Bunk]

The Cold Case Posse is the victim of a simple trap.

All ALL, their evidence is saying is:

"These Documents are Forged."

They are not drawing any conclusions from that straightforward statement of demonstrable fact. That is all ... ALL they are asking responsible authorities to investigate.

And that is all we should be asking. The conclusions drawn from the forgeries are inevitable, but legally they are not on the table ... yet. Team Obama has of course already drawn their own conclusions and that is why they are fighting so hard to keep the vastly simpler demonstration off the table.

To use a really stupid analogy: what the Cold Case Posse has delivered isn't the pony we all wanted for Christmas, but the saddle and bridle that fits only one pony in the whole world.

This is what makes the Col. West's Betrayal all the more despicable. He feared the conclusions The Cold Case Posse was not asking him to draw from the forgeries. Are the papers fakes? Yes. Just end of chapter one; not the whole story.

[Kenny Bunk]

Ping

[Fred Nerks]

Very interesting observation, thanks for the link.

[Kenny Bunk]

If he's that confident then indict someone and put those documents into the judicial process.

There's the problem. The Sheriff has the goods on the crook, and the DA won't indict. Besides, The Cold Case Posse has absolutely no official mandate or "cover" for it's activity.

The evidence, and it's damn fine evidence of a crime, is all typed up with nowhere to go.

[0.E.O]

There's the problem. The Sheriff has the goods on the crook, and the DA won't indict. Besides, The Cold Case Posse has absolutely no official mandate or "cover" for it's activity.

What it the DA's reason for not indicting? Or had Arpiao even tried to get one?

[4Zoltan]

He apparently took his evidence to Maricopa County DA Bill Montgomery,

“From the Sheriff’s Office investigation into suspect documents produced by the White House to date, that investigation has not revealed any evidence that conduct occurred in Maricopa County,” Montgomery writes. “I have discussed this with the Sheriff.”

and

“Specifically, we would need evidence to affirmatively prove that Mr. Obama is not a US citizen,” Montgomery writes. “To date there has been evidence presented leading to speculation that documents have been forged and other documents do not exist. That alone, though, is not sufficient evidence to present to a grand jury and actually have a reasonable likelihood of conviction.”

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/10/arpaio_bill_montgomery_obama_birth_certificate_birther.php

[little jeremiah]

pfl

[Kenny Bunk]

Thanks for filling in that most distressing of blanks, Zoltan.

The forgery definitely occurred in Maricopa County, and for that matter in the State of Arizona. Wherever Obama appeared on the ballot in the USA that required him to post his bona fides, a crime was committed.

The Arizona authorities, under whose aegis Arpaio operates, should have indicted. Instead he got, “To date there has been evidence presented leading to speculation that documents have been forged and other documents do not exist. That alone, though, is not sufficient evidence to present to a grand jury and actually have a reasonable likelihood of conviction.”

Specious reasoning at best. A grand jury itself should have been given the opportunity to pass judgement on that "speculation".

[edge919]

You seem to have mischaracterized Step No. 3. Your source says the doctor fills in "certain" medical information, which would mean "not all." And what this doesn't explain is why Chiyome Fukino would characterize parts of a form that would never be given to the applicant. And why would nurses type parts of the form that are given to the applicant but not the parts that aren't??

Now, what is interesting about this source is the doctor explains exactly why someone like Granny Dunham might register the birth of her grandchild, if perhaps, that child was born outside of the United States.

The requirements of a birth certificate throughout the country to show citizenship, during World War II, gave a great impetus to the completeness of registration. This and other factors have made a birth certificate the principal document an American citizen uses to prove legal facts about himself. Almost every parent knows that a baby must be registered soon after birth, not only to meet requirements of the law, but to protect the child later in life.

Now, young Stanley Ann Dunham, who was enamored with her new Kenyan husband may not have realized how important a birth certificate was, but for Madelyn, who gave birth to her child during World War II, it would have been paramount to make sure her grandchild was "protected" later in life with the possession of U.S. citizenship ... perhaps even if it was not honestly obtained .... hmmmmmm.

[4Zoltan]

From Dr. Bennett’s article:
“A nurse or clerk in the hospital fills in the certificate form and gets the mother to sign it. Then the attending physician enters certain medical data and affixes his signature. Finally, the hospital sends the completed certificate to the local registrar.”

edge919 - “You seem to have mischaracterized Step No. 3.”

Nonsense, as Kris Kobach might say you have misread what I wrote. I never said that the entire medical record is contained on the Standard Certificate of Live Birth, only that in 1961 there were “three additional questions required by the Federal government and any additional questions that the State of Hawaii might require.” Obviously, there was additional medical information for the mother and the child that would be in their medical records but not necessarily be part of the SCLB.

edge919 - “Your source says the doctor fills in “certain” medical information, which would mean “not all.”

In this case “certain” refers only to the questions on the Standard Certificate of Live Birth since that is what Dr. Bennett is talking about. This data was collected for statistical analysis both by the Federal Government and the State of Hawaii. Ladysforest has shown that the pencil marks on the BC are Hawaiian codes not necessarily Federal codes. If you look at the left margin of the LFBC you can make out three pencil marks that are coding information (the Nordyke’s have penciled codes in the same locations).

We do not know what medical data was collected for the SCLB, other than the three questions asked by the Feds (IIRC - birth weight, gestation length, legitimacy).

edge919 - “why would nurses type parts of the form that are given to the applicant but not the parts that aren’t??”

Look at the Nordyke BCs, the mother signed them on 8/7/61 but the doctor signed them on 8/11/61. Now look at what Dr. Bennett (BTW, he was the Chief of the Bureau of Health Statistics in 1955 and by 1960 Registrar General for Hawaii) said, “A nurse or clerk in the hospital fills in the certificate form and gets the mother to sign it.” The demographic section was already typed up when the mother signed it but the doctor had not yet added the “certain medical information”.

Dr. Bennett clearly says the attending physician fills in the SCLB medical section. Now it is possible that a doctor might type up the medical data section (or have a nurse do it)or he might write it by hand. It probably depended on his personal preference, how many BCs he had to do and how busy he was.

edge919 - “Chiyome Fukino would characterize parts of a form that would never be given to the applicant.”

Your kidding, right.

edge919 - “this source is the doctor explains exactly why someone like Granny Dunham might register the birth of her grandchild”

I guess that would depend on how well they understood US law and Hawaii statutes.

@Ladysforest:

Are you still pursuing the Hawaiian codes? I don’t know if you have seen this 1959 Hawaiian BC.

http://www.wnd.com/2011/05/298537/

The father’s race is coded “1” as is his “kind of business”. So far all of the coded LFBCs from Hawaii have the father’s race and kind of business coded the same.

BTW - edge919 on that 1959 Hawaiian BC the mother signed it on 6/1/1959 but the attending physician signed it on 6/2/1959.

[edge919]

From Dr. Bennett’s article: “A nurse or clerk in the hospital fills in the certificate form and gets the mother to sign it. Then the attending physician enters certain medical data and affixes his signature. Finally, the hospital sends the completed certificate to the local registrar.”

See bolded part. You left that out in the step 3 in your previous post, but I should know better than to get caught up in silly stuff like this because the 1961 natality report has a copy of the 1956 revised standard birth certificate, and there's not enough additional medical information, certain or otherwise, that would warrant calling this document half-handwritten unless the PDF Obama presented is fraudulent.

Further, that same standard certificate contains asks in item No. 23 if the birth is legitimate. It would sure be interesting to see what Obama's "real" birth certificate says, as well as seeing how much of it actually matches the PDF he had posted.

I guess that would depend on how well they understood US law and Hawaii statutes.

Is there a reading problem?? Granny Dunham's baby, Stanley Ann was born in 1942 ... right in the middle of World War II. Your own source says "The requirements of a birth certificate throughout the country to show citizenship, during World War II ..." Granny Dunham would have believed her grandson needed a local birth certificate to show citizenship because she needed one for her own daughter. Then your source says, "Almost every parent knows that a baby must be registered soon after birth " In 1955, when Dr. Bennett would have written that, he was talking about mothers like Madelyn Dunham, not lovestruck teenagers who are hanging out with exotic international college students.

BTW - edge919 on that 1959 Hawaiian BC the mother signed it on 6/1/1959 but the attending physician signed it on 6/2/1959.

It also looks like it's dated in the same handwriting for both signatures. The 5 in 1959 is a giveaway. And the checkboxes in field 19 are different than they are in Obama's alleged PDF. What exactly is the significance of the dates for when the certificate was signed?? This one wouldn't be any more half-handwritten than Obama's PDF.