Posted on 04/16/2013 12:10:24 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
All full of his normal bombast and bluster, on 4/11/13, Bill O’Reilly once again proved he hadn’t a grasp on the subject at hand, whether or not to legalize marijuana.
His plan is to put responsible adults or children who smoke into the legal system, destroying them and their families. He wants to keep feeding the corrupt legal system that thrives off of these “offenses/freedoms” (depending on your point of view).
He wants these draconian punishments because he feels that pot will destroy anyone trying it, a view responsible for turning more people into...
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Your argument is twisting in the wind.
You're huffing and puffing but my houses isn't blowing down.
What happened to your cheaper drugs argument?
It's right up there. Should I type slower for you?
A little reality reduced *you* fast. LoL!
I'm sorry, I don't speak gibberish. Can you say that in English?
No, actually I am done cutting you down.
Try not to take it out on your hamster.
Some people’s motivation here is telling scummy lies about those with whom they disagree - because they lose every argument based on fact and logic.
A little reality
None of that in your posts.
reduced *you* fast.
"Reduced" me to telling the truth (but not to crying to the mods like a bawlin' weeper).
You're farther removed from reality than any drug could make me.
“Which is what”
Probably, “They drank booze in the Bible, whereas when I think of marijuana all that comes to mind is dropouts eating cheetos.” You can say alchohol has been a part of our civilization for millenia, since it has, and according to that people assume we know how to deal with it by now. We don’t, or at least not any better than other drugs. I often wonder how weed is so different that we can’t apply the way we treat booze to it.
But so long as weed remains illegal, you can imagine things being infinitely worse under it than under alchohol freedom. Presumably this would involve drivers repeatedly losing control of their cars, husbands beating wives, unemployment and general physical decline, etc. You know, all the things alchohol doesn’t cause thanks to our culture/s
Heh. You made a joke and didn't know it.
My cultural perspective? It is the annoyance of having to live in the midst of drug using people who pose as lierterians and being forced to deal with the residue of their impaired behavior. I have to work next to them, drive on the same highways, deal with their brain damaged offsping, suffer the consequences of their dysfunctional families, pay for their endless psychiatric and health breakdowns and listen to their very boring sob stories on how they finally “found” sobriety. Actually my cultural perspective is that the world would be better off without drugs.
A debate on loving or hating drugs and/or loving or hating O'Reilly should stand or fall on the merits of each.
Leni
“Your big mistake is completely ignoring the scourge of drugs on society”
First of all, check out post 5, my original post, in which I talk about alchohol as a blight on civilization. Prohibitionists never have any answer for that, because it is unanswerable. All they can do is pretend “hard” drugs are worse. But that doesn’t apply to marijuana.
Anyway, in the post to which you responded maybe I wasn’t explicit enough. Drug abuse has adverse consequences, but those very consequences, if but we let them, can set off self-correcting mechanisms in the abusers. We can bring the state in to punish or deter you, or we can leave people free to fail at life. The latter happens to be immeasurably more efficient, except that prevailing political, psychiatric, and other mindsets rebel at the thought of true responsibility.
I was rereading William Graham Sumner’s “What the Social Classes Owe Eachother,” which is like a good knock to the head. It wad written long ago, but even then the angels of the state saw tot to coddle abusers. His prescription was to do away with drunk tanks because they subsidize drunkenness. Leave winos in the ditch, and there won’t be as many winos. Nature punishes us for what wrongs we commit against ourselves, believe it. We need gubmint to stop us from hurting eachother, not for how we hurt number one.
Including the drug alcohol? Do you favor banning that drug?
Such debates don't take place on FR as no FReeper loves drugs - perhaps you're thinking of the debate on respecting individual liberties or continuing to hyperinflate drug profits and channel those profits into criminal hands.
“Walking the streets without crime because of drugs is my business too.”
Can you possibly be ignorant of the fact that their being illegal creates crime? Real crime, too, not the “crime” of using drugs, which can only be considered criminal with a perverted sense of justice. I imagine the argument runs in your head like so: drugs are bad, and if people can abuse drugs with impunity they won’t be able to work and will turn to lives of crime.
Well, we have that anyway, seeming as how all prohibition does is push it into the black marks. Plus, we have lives of crime subsidized by black market trade. Plus again, we have all the loss of freedom to go along with gubmint’s increasingly desperate mission to do the impossible.
I can see you assuming that drug abuse would be worse in the absense of the Drug War, even subtracting the concomitant trafficking crimes. But I’d be happy to trade, for then we’d be punishing actual crimes. You know, malum in se crimes, not the “crime” of self-abuse. That could always be handled by nature, as I said, if it’s so bad.
No. But certainly endorse the restraints on its use by minors, people at work or driving. Actually the upside to Prohibition is that the number of deaths from cirrhosis, liver failure, alcohol poisoning,accidents as well as domestic abuse and violence all declined during its implementation. Also comparing alcohol to marijuana is not a valid physiological comparison. Let’s just say the receptors in our brains are a bit different and we will never come a consensus on this topic. Also its a safe bet to say that if we were ever to meet, neither one of us would want to be around the other very long.
Post away with your garbage as you will.
Leni
You play the Janis Joplin card. Want me to list everyone who’s died because of alchohol? Is there enough space on the internet?
You should see the link I posted about the liberalization of marijuana and the increase of crime.
The common sense truth is when you make more drug addicts you increase crime.
Your freedoms then get flushed.
If you can’t deal with simple truth because drugs are that important, then you are a failure to your country.
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