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Calling All Christians: Luke 22:36 is NOT license to fight the government. (VANITY)
Me | 03/19/2013 | Me

Posted on 03/19/2013 3:55:47 PM PDT by ROTB

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To: ROTB

How long have you been working for obama?


21 posted on 03/19/2013 4:20:47 PM PDT by sport
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To: ROTB

When good men do nothing, evil prevails. Taking up arms against evil and tyranny is not only necessary when there are no other avenues of resistance.


22 posted on 03/19/2013 4:21:34 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: ROTB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W87k64HU9gE

Our liberties are a priceless legacy, paid for in the blood of every man who died in every war, or in the blood of those killed by us in every war. And when Caesar comes to take away that which is NOT his, what then? The Lord did say something about “Thou shalt not steal”, and those who filch our rights are thieves....

As for the Russians and the Chinese, well, if we can’t defend ourselves from godless communist usurpers at home, then we have less chance with godless communist usurpers abroad.


23 posted on 03/19/2013 4:34:23 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: ROTB
Furthermore, it is not necessary at all to fight tyrannical government with physical arms if we:

take up the New Covenant defensive and offensive spiritual weapons of God per Ephesians 6:12 and 2 Corinthians 10:3-4 against evil spirits that stir up our elected and appointed officials to do evil

we pray with faith since God can control and guide the hearts of President Obama, Congress, the Supreme Court, government bureaucrats, governors, mayors, state legislators, city councils, the Police, and our Armed Forces per Proverbs 21:1, and we are commanded to pray for them per 1 Timothy 2:1-3. We pray that many witnesses of the Gospel be sent to them per Matthew 9:37, they be convicted of sin like in Acts 2:37, and that God grants them repentance per 2 Timothy 2:25

Prayer isn't always enough. Sometimes we have to beat our pruning hooks into spears and our plowshares into swords and be Old Testament warriors in the tradition of Joshua, Gideon and Ehud.

24 posted on 03/19/2013 4:42:26 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: ROTB
If you think you’re only supposed to submit to a nation’s laws if the laws are “good” and “not evil” in your eyes, please show me the Scriptures that justify this point of view.

Daniel 6:10.

25 posted on 03/19/2013 4:42:32 PM PDT by Sloth (Rather than a lesser Evil, I voted for Goode.)
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To: ROTB

“Give ‘em Watts, boys!” - Rev. James Caldwell


26 posted on 03/19/2013 4:43:16 PM PDT by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: ROTB

Again and again you felt he need to scream at Conservative Christians with your own particular understanding?

If your stance is biblical - then God blessed Christians who sinned against His Word (and defying Romans 13) in their rebellion against the lawful, legal authority of the Crown by taking up arms against them.

Historically and biblically - your argument is moot except for those who like the Quakers, lectured for over a decade that the Colonists needed to simply submit to tyranny because they deserved it, rather than take a stand against it.

I’ll take Franklin’s admonition over your insistences: “Disobedience to tyrants, is obedience to God”. Our own history proved that out.

Submitting to the authority of tyrants, is breaking the First Commandment , something you are unwittingly advocating.


27 posted on 03/19/2013 4:43:48 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: ROTB
I don’t care what YOU say nor do I care what YOUR interpretations may be, however, I decided that posting a response to your gibberish would be a useful idea if you’re interested in learning something about yourself.

You are a coward and a fool.

If you actually care why I label you as such, reply and I’ll elaborate.

28 posted on 03/19/2013 4:43:52 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: ROTB
Prayer is excellent, but sometimes you need to actually do stuff beyond that.

Your posts and interpretations of the Bible seem like a regular call to surrender to Obama and whatever policies the left wishes to impose on the people. That is bad advice and a poor reading of the Lord's word.

Also, this is a political site and the vast, overwhelming majority of folks are talking about strategies to defeat the left in the court of public opinion and at the ballot box. It seems like you are trying to bait people with your silly posts.

29 posted on 03/19/2013 4:45:07 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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I’ve never seen anyone try to interpret Luke 22:36 the way you are doing. Every commentary I’ve seen says that Jesus was trying to prepare His disciples for life after He was gone——they would be going out into a very dangerous world, and would need to defend themselves.

Your tone seems to indicate you believe you’re instructing morons here, but your interpretation of the passage is wrong.


30 posted on 03/19/2013 4:45:50 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: ROTB
Matthew 22:21

Sometimes Caesar is due an ass kicking.

31 posted on 03/19/2013 4:49:39 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: INVAR
Submitting to the authority of tyrants, is breaking the First Commandment , something you are unwittingly advocating.

Good point.

32 posted on 03/19/2013 4:54:07 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Fiji Hill
Sometimes we have to beat our pruning hooks into spears and our plowshares into swords

Looks like I'm not the only one who has read the Prophet Joel.

33 posted on 03/19/2013 4:55:53 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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The gov’t has decloaked and it’s plain to see they are involved in an organized criminal operation on steroids. What should the Christian do when the gov’t classifies Christianity as a hate crime and outlaws it? If you think they’d never do such a thing, read up on the NDAA and ask yourself if there is anything they’re not capable of.


34 posted on 03/19/2013 5:14:13 PM PDT by Hayride
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To: ROTB
There is nothing in Scripture that prohibits self defense. I don't know about Protestant denominations, but the Catholic Catechism is very specific about self defense:

CCC#2264 "Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one's own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow: If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one's own life than of another's."

CCC #2265 "Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also (but not exclusively) have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility."

35 posted on 03/19/2013 5:14:37 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: ROTB

God is changeless. He directed Israel in Old Testament times to kill everything that moved when they were attacking their enemies. That’s my interpretation.


36 posted on 03/19/2013 5:32:30 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: ROTB

Wrong. Government is not Gods work, it is mans. Nazis, NKVD men, Che’, Moslem Brotherhood, Mao,, all are deserving of the sword of resistance. (as approved by our lord)

And should some government buy 2700 MRAPS, a billion 40 hollow points, intercept and store every electronic message we send, claim the entire nation as a “battlefield”, claim a right to kill it’s citizens with drones, and ultimately complete it’s descent into a police state, they will deserve the same courtesy.


37 posted on 03/19/2013 5:32:53 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: ROTB

Then by your logic, the founding fathers were sinning by not submitting to King George.


38 posted on 03/19/2013 5:34:30 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: ROTB; Jim Robinson; TheOldLady; Admin Moderator
You are back, spouting the same drivel again. You have been called a hieratic before on another one of your threads and that Freeper was right. I hope your thread, this one, gets pulled. You keep posting that link for us to go to and sign up or support your cause, so you are a blog pimp.
39 posted on 03/19/2013 5:38:05 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: humblegunner; Old Sarge; onyx

ping to this thread.


40 posted on 03/19/2013 5:51:37 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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