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Is Racism Worse in the South? Roberts's question frames the VRA case. Too bad there's no answer.
The New Republic ^ | March 6, 2013 | Chuck Thompson

Posted on 03/06/2013 6:43:04 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

In the wake of last week’s Supreme Court arguments over the Voting Rights Act, the geography of racism is once again a topic of debate. None other than Chief Justice John Roberts kicked things off when he asked the act’s defenders—that would be the U.S. government—a 20-word question that brilliantly framed the entire debate: “Is it the government’s submission that the citizens of the South are more racist than the citizens of the North?” Roberts asked, pinning a very ragged tail on a very ugly donkey.

Unlike most debates about this question, this one has real implications. The landmark act requires that areas of the country with a particularly virulent history of racial discrimination must receive federal approval before making changes in their voting laws. To no one’s surprise, the majority of the states covered by Section 5 are located in the South. If the answer is “yes,” then a reasonable case can be made for upholding the existing law.

But I can’t help thinking that no one is going to be convinced. People see the words “racism” and “South” and, whatever their level of social enlightenment or position on immigration reform, their view is already fixed. It doesn’t matter whether it comes from doctrinaire northern liberals convinced that the entire South is one federal restriction away from launching a wistful, slave days lynch-fest, or if it’s shouted from the ramparts by hayfoot rebel martyrs who know in their hearts that New York, Detroit, or Chicago are the true racist hellscapes and that everyone north of the Ohio River who ever opened a perfidious Yankee textbook has been tricked by a litany of briar patch falsehoods and trailer gentry stereotypes.

Last year, I wrote a book about the South. It was not what you’d call a warm, loving embrace....

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: democrats; dixie; racism; scotus; supremecourt; thesouth; votingrightsact
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Of course it wasn't.
1 posted on 03/06/2013 6:43:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It doesn’t matter whether it comes from doctrinaire northern liberals convinced that the entire South is one federal restriction away from launching a wistful, slave days lynch-fest, or if it’s shouted from the ramparts by hayfoot rebel martyrs who know in their hearts that New York, Detroit, or Chicago are the true racist hellscapes and that everyone north of the Ohio River who ever opened a perfidious Yankee textbook has been tricked by a litany of briar patch falsehoods and trailer gentry stereotypes.

s/b "AND Chicago" ... Sheesh. Other than that, great sentence.

2 posted on 03/06/2013 6:49:09 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No.

Racism in Detroit led to Michigan’s first gun registration boards. They were a direct result of Dr Ossian Sweet being acquitted of murdering a white man who was part of a mob trying to force Sweet out of a “white neighborhood”.


3 posted on 03/06/2013 6:52:20 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who cares what the traitor Roberts asks? It’s all a sham and he’ll toe whatever line Elmer Fudd tells him to toe.


4 posted on 03/06/2013 6:53:20 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I a new southerner escaping from the cold north....I live in a small town in SC and I will tell you that racism is almost non existent here. Not so in Northern Ohio.....I was amazed after all I had heard about the south.

I attended my first "black" shower here in SC for a soon to be bride.

5 posted on 03/06/2013 6:56:12 PM PST by estrogen (voter fraud was huge)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

His argument boils down to symbolism being more important than substance.

That is, a Confederate flag is more racist than encouraging black women to abort their babies. Voluntary segregation is more damning than denying black people the right to own guns.

He cites no northern racism at all, but would assure us, no doubt, that “code words” *implying* racism by Republicans, at least by his interpretation, are far worse than Democrat policies that actually, quantifiably deny black people an education, self-sufficiency or prosperity.


6 posted on 03/06/2013 6:59:00 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Freedom and liberty flourishes in the South as this map so vividly illustrates:

Big Labor is the new slavemaster wielding a whip to keep workers in line with their extortion racket. Unionism and its partner, the minimum wage, inflict more damage than any plantation overseer did centuries ago. Union thuggery is the 21st Century form of segregation and bitter racism. Thankfully Dixie is free of forced unionism.

Unions + minimum wage = slavery


7 posted on 03/06/2013 7:00:53 PM PST by re_nortex
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“The South is where it’s rooted most deeply and still is because it’s got half the black population of the country.”

Umm. Ok. Where's the other half?

Interesting this idiot can write an entire article on the South's history with racism and not even mention political parties.

8 posted on 03/06/2013 7:03:54 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Obama's vision - No Job is a Good Job)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I grew up in the North (NY) and lived in the South (TN, GA), and overseas too.

Excepting the bleeding heart leftists one has in public office in the North, who give a false public facade, I find the average northerner, both black and white, more race-conscious, and segregated, than the average southerner.


9 posted on 03/06/2013 7:08:56 PM PST by PGR88
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Bingo. I’ll echo your observation having lived both in the Northeast and down in N. Carolina. I’ve found the N.E. far more segregated.


10 posted on 03/06/2013 7:16:39 PM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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The Thompson article quotes the Southern Poverty Legal Center as its main authority. But the Center is itself a liberal hate group. It hates conservatives. It even calls the think tank Family Research Council in Washington DC a hate group for being opposed to the radical homosexual agenda.

Liberals who hate conservatives and conservative beliefs — that’s the worst kind of hate in this country.


11 posted on 03/06/2013 7:18:20 PM PST by heye2monn
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The worst racism is in the DoJ offices in DC.


12 posted on 03/06/2013 7:26:09 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Flick Lives
The authors own prejudice bleeds through the paper. However he indicts himself with this sentence, "The land of Harpers Ferry nostalgics may yield plenty of horrifying anecdotes and a bitter historic record to support such a view, but constructing a quantifiable measure of racism turns out to be nearly impossible"

If you can not quantify it as compared to the North, it must be the same or less than in the North.

We in the South got over it years ago. We lost the battle of segregation and discrimination and that was a good thing. If you want to find racism, go North not South.

13 posted on 03/06/2013 7:43:48 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Flick Lives
Still you do find your occasional Siciliano living in an Italian neighborhood and vice versa.
14 posted on 03/06/2013 7:54:56 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: PGR88

A writer in the Economist once said that “Northeners hate blacks as individuals, but love them as a group, while Southerners hate blacks as a group but love them as individuals”.


15 posted on 03/06/2013 8:18:15 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn

I was raised in Nancy Pelosi’s home territory - Baltimore. After college, lived at the beach in Los Angeles, then a few years in Boulder, Colorado and Richmond Virginia before I settled in Alabama.

I can tell you - the only state worth living in is Alabama where I’ve observed 20 years of people of all colors getting along. Everyone says please, thank you, and excuse me.


16 posted on 03/06/2013 8:25:28 PM PST by imemyself
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To: Amberdawn
Here's an old saying with which I became familiar via a black friend: "In the north you can get as big as you want, just don't get too close. In the south you can get as close as you want, just don't get too big."
17 posted on 03/06/2013 8:25:42 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: PGR88

I grew up in Oakland, Ca. and lived throughout the South and the West subsequently. At a personal level, I found the residents of Oakland to be far more racist than any in the South or the Greater West.


18 posted on 03/06/2013 8:46:28 PM PST by Crapgame (What should be taught in our schools? American Exceptionalism, not cultural Marxism...)
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To: heye2monn
The Thompson article quotes the Southern Poverty Legal Center as its main authority. But the Center is itself a liberal hate group. It hates conservatives.

The Southern Poverty "Law" Center hates conservatives, but they hate southerners more. Black, white, democrat, republican. It is straight from the communist manifesto to divide the races and conquer.

19 posted on 03/06/2013 8:49:58 PM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: cripplecreek

Yep. That’s a story that blacks rarely know. It needs to be told. Gun control is largely aimed at black people. Urban liberals don’t trust blacks with their own lives. Who in their right mind would arm their pets?


20 posted on 03/06/2013 9:23:16 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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