Lawmakers "accidentally" legalize warrantless invasion of gun owner's homes

Coach is Right ^ | 2/22/13 | Doug Book

[Oldpuppymax]

Lawmakers in Washington State have accidentally written a bill permitting police to invade private homes for the purpose of confiscating “illegal” guns and accessories, such as magazines which hold over 10 rounds. (1)

According to Senate Bill 5737, introduced on February 13th by Democrat State Senators Murray, Kohl-Welles and Kline, no one may possess an “assault weapon” or the combination of a semi-automatic pistol or rifle capable of using a detachable magazine AND any magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammo.

Happily, however, you ARE allowed to possess an UNLOADED assault weapon “…for the purpose of permanently relinquishing it to a law enforcement agency of the state.” (1 P6)

Naturally, the statute would NOT apply to police...

[rarestia]

This is what they’re going to continue trying, folks. All it will take is one oversight on the part of a representative or a media toad, one of these laws gets implemented, et voila! Instant criminal.

They did something similar with the Patient Unaffordable Death Act (You have to pass it to find out what’s in it, right Nan?).

[mountainlion]

One report I heard was that they had not read the bill so they never saw the “error”. So my question is who gave them the bill for them to pass? Who is writing all these laws for the demoRats to pass?

[rktman]

Uh, how would the sheriff know which houses to “inspect” annually? Does washington state have weapons registration? Which will, of course, stop all criminal activity. At least that is what the radical left wing extremist liberal demokkkrat scumbags claim. Still waiting for them to explain how any of this crap will reduce/hinder/stop criminal activity. Crickets!

[Iscool]

All it will take is a whisper from someone who claims he/she saw a twenty round magazine in your house...And there goes the family dogs and maybe some of the human inhabitants of the house...

[Psalm 73]

How would they know who has what type of guns?
There is no national gun registry.

Sure, there may be records of what you buy, but private citizens are not required to keep paper work for guns they may sell or trade - which is, coincidentally, what I did with all of mine - traded them for a table saw - to some guy I met at Dunkin Donuts. Guns are bad - table saws are good.

[TheThirdRuffian]

They’ll force a registry the same way they did with fully autos. Bascially make it a federal crime unless you have the tax stamp by X date and no way to register something past X date.

Over a generation the full autos have dried up considerably.

[Parley Baer]

I doubt if it was an error or accident. They will just say “oh well” and let it stand.

[tpmintx]

Over a generation the full autos have dried up considerably.

Full Autos have been a better investment than anything else you could have bought in 1986.

• Thompsons are $20K+
• M16s are $16K+
• Mac-10s are $6K
• ...and so on.

[BuffaloJack]

> Who is writing all these laws for the demoRats to pass?
Soros comes to mind.

[drunknsage]

With a bit of luck, someone snuck that in there with the intention of getting the entire law tossed out on Constitutional grounds.

Seriously, the Rats are getting desperate. Obama is even recruiting peasant victims to exploit for support of gun laws. I nearly fell over when he blamed an inanimate object for causing violence during the SOTU address. To pimp out victims while ignoring the real perpetrator is beyond twisted and he should catch way more hell for doing so.

In the end, they have to blame the gun. Most of these crimes are committed by his supporters and the poverty slaves his part keeps in chains. How dare he attack is own.

[rktman]

yup. My sister wanted to take a picture of my uh.........collection and I told her NO. For sure would have been posted on her facebook page. Sadly, they were lost when Mt. St. Helens erupted. It was a delayed reaction of course.

[SoldierDad]

Lawmakers in Washington State have accidentally written a bill permitting police to invade private homes for the purpose of confiscating “illegal” guns and accessories . . .

Accidently my arse. They knew that was written into the bill.

[Drew68]

How would they know who has what type of guns?
There is no national gun registry.

Your children will tell their teachers. Your friends, ex-wives and neighbors will cash in on those "Report an illegal gun, earn $1000" anonymous tip lines.

[k4gypsyrose]

“Lawmakers in Washington State have accidentally written a bill...”

Accident, my arsenic. Just like all those dog shootings were just accidents.

[frogjerk]

I thought you lost them on a camping trip?

[frogjerk]

Your doctor will ask via Obama-care and Executive order.

[Psalm 73]

"Your children will tell their teachers."

We homeschool with other families that no longer have guns. And we don't talk about what we may or may not have in the way of firearms, or how we may or may not be preparing for - something.

Initially, Op-Sec sounded paranoid - but my wife and daughter have bought into the idea, as have others we may or may not be in contact with....

[Hugin]

Sure, there may be records of what you buy, but private citizens are not required to keep paper work for guns they may sell or trade - which is, coincidentally, what I did with all of mine - traded them for a table saw - to some guy I met at Dunkin Donuts.

Not nationally, but in some states (like here in CA) that would make you a felon, and inellegible to ever own a gun again. Here you would have to go to a licensed dealer and file a state transfer for each gun (about $75 per). I suspect WA may have a similar law.

[Stanwood_Dave]

1	Any assault weapon relinquished pursuant to this subsection shall be
2	destroyed;
3		(b)		The transfer of any assault weapon by a licensed manufacture
4	or dealer to a law enforcement agency in this state for use by that
5	agency or its employees for law enforcement purposes;
6		(c)		The possession of an assault weapon that was legally possessed
7	on the effective date of this section, but only if the person legally
8	possessing the assault weapon has complied with all of the requirements
9	of subsection (5) of this section;
10		(d)		The possession of an assault weapon that has been permanently 
11	disabled so that it is incapable of discharging a projectile.
12		(4)		Subsection (2) of this section shall not apply to any person:
13		(a)		while lawfully engaged in shooting at a duly licensed, lawfully
14	operated shooting range;
15		(b)		While lawfully participating in a sporting events officially
16	sanctioned by a club or organization established in whole or in part
17	for the purpose of sponsoring sport shooting events.
18		(5)		In order to continue to possess an assault weapon that was
19	legally possessed on the effective date of this section, the person
20	possessing the assault weapon shall do all of following:
21		(a) 	Safely and securely store the assault weapon.   The sheriff of
22	the county may, no more than once per year, conduct an inspection to
23	ensure compliance with this subsection; [Emphasis Added by Stanwooddave]
24		(b)		Possess the assault weapon only on property owned or
25	immediately controlled by the person, or while engaged in the legal use
26	of the assault weapon at a duly licensed firing range, or while
27	traveling to or from either of these locations for the purpose of
28	engaging in the legal use of the assault weapon, provided that the
29	assault weapon is stored unloaded and in a separate locked container
30	during transport.
31		(6)		Notwithstanding any other provisions of this section, any person
32	in this state who, after the effective date of this section, acquires
33	title to an assault weapon by inheritance, bequest, or succession,
34	shall, within thirty days of acquiring title, do one of the following:
35		(a)		Comply with all of the requirements of subsection (5) of this
36	section;
37		(b)		Dispose of the assault weapon pursuant to subsection (3) (a) of
38	this section; or

		p. 7    			SB   5737

	The under signed declares under penalty of perjury of the laws of the State of Washington,
and the laws of the United States of America 18 U.S.C. § 1621 &  § 1746
and The State of Washington “FALSE SWEARING” (R.C.W. 9A. 72.040),  that the above statement(s)/ content 
(Except Formatting) are true and correct to the best of Affiant’s knowledge,
Executed this 21st, day of February, 2013, at Stanwood, Washington.

SS//Stanwooddave

The same wording as was on bill SB 6396, Pg 7, of SB 6396, Line(s) 19 thru 21.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2009‑10/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/6396.pdf

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Letter(s) to the Editor:

Senators have pursued this before

	I read Danny Westneat’s Feb. 16th column in The Seattle Times titled “Slip-up may slam doors on gun 
law,” [NWSunday, Feb. 17] and became quite concerned.

	There was no mistake in the bill (SB 5737), which was sponsored by Sens. Ed Murray, Jeanne Kohl-Welles and Kline.

	The column reads:
	“I spoke to two of the sponsors. One, Sen. Adam Kline, D-Seattle, a lawyer who typically is
	hyper-attuned to civil-liberties issues, said he did not know the bill authorized police searches because he
	had not read it closely before signing on.

	‘I made a mistake,’ Kline said. ‘I frankly should have vetted this more closely.’”

	In the 2010 legislative session, Kline was the primary sponsor of SB 6396.

[Link: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2009-10/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/6396.pdf]

	This is virtually identical to the current bill he has attached himself to as a co-sponsor. It contains the exact 
	same section calling for sheriff inspections of homes [Page 7, lines 19-21].

	It was not inserted into this current bill from a staffer, as claimed in the column. It was there in the 
	beginning. With two sponsors of identical bills in separate years we are lead to believe that they didn’t 
	know the provision was in there.

	Come on, wake up and tell the truth.
	--Billy Don Card Jr., Wenatchee

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Senator's Kline and Kohl-Welles sponsored SB 5475-2005 and 6396-2010; both bills would have permitted the local sheriff's to
perform unannounced inspections of resident’s homes without a warrant.

The same wording as was on bill SB 6396, Pg 7, of SB 6396, Line(s) 19 thru 21. http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2009