“you display a mentality like Hitler in his bunker in the waning days of WWII, in which he ordered his followers to believe that the war was not lost as bombs rained down from above.”
Posted on 02/22/2013 6:59:14 AM PST by daniel1212
I’m not sure how your article can be classified as ‘resistant’, when it begins with the conclusion that losing is inevitable.
Good post!
I imagine they are VERY much like the rest of us humans when it comes to self preservation!
Sure; there'll be those who do 'heroic' measures when saving someone else's life; but I'd guess that most would be intent on savin g their own first!
"Better to be judged by 12 than be carried by 6" is also on THEIR minds!
AMEN!
“WE” aren’t!
“you display a mentality like Hitler in his bunker in the waning days of WWII, in which he ordered his followers to believe that the war was not lost as bombs rained down from above.”
And that was my original point. Where would one move to? Austria? Asia? Africa? Europe? They all have gone this way. While sin is sin, there are degrees of sin and homosexuality is just about the lowest on the food chain. The embracing of homosexuality throughout the world should be an indication to Christians of something bad. Very bad.
I know Christians have been saying the end was upon them for 2100 years. But let's look at this rationally (not to say Paul wasn't rational). In the past believers like Abraham could simply move out to the desert and let God take care of the matter in localized areas like Sodom. Now believers can't move from these places even if we wanted to. We are unable to hide from the wrath to come. The world is deliberately vexing the Holy Spirit who works through believers. And while some of us might be like Lot, many of us are more like Abraham wanting to stay away from the situation all the while praying for these people. We have become like the days of Noah where we are building an ark while people laugh at it.
The world is coming into final judgment. We just need to understand this.
The following paragraph is from a history website with emphasis on the Battle of Fort McHenry and our Flag with slight modifications.
Read the paragraph below several times. This paragraph shows just how much freedom meant to these soldier who died holding up our Flag!
Upon discussing the previous night with survivors of the great battle, he learned just how much keeping the flag flying had meant to the soldiers. The flag itself was hit many times and had holes in it. In addition, several times through the night a cannon ball had hit the flag pole. It was hit enough times that the pole was actually leaning and in danger of toppling over. Brave men rushed to the pole to help prop it up with their bodies and arms. When one man holding the flagpole up was shot, another was ready to take his place. The bodies of these men were piling up, one on top of the other. When the dawn came, the carnage was clear. The flag was being held up by the brave men all dead or dying. It meant something to them to keep this flag flying. This is how they kept the flag flying all night!
Think of these brave men rushing to hold up our flag makes one cry, if one has a heart. Men rushed in throughout the night fearing not. Each man knew it meant curtain death, yet still each man went to hold up our flag. Many since have asked Oh, What's the Point. God forgive them for they know not what each man knew on that night.
A path for each woman and man in America was lain out that night. Nobody want to die. And a sane nobody does not want to kill or be killed, but the men who held up that flag went. Insanity ruled that night. It was suicide to go prop up that flag, but those men went. Do you want to prop up America? Speak up. Become involved. Hold the politicians and the medias feet to the fire. Go and prop up the flag. I can guarantee you ... probable death.
Surrender? This War is Lost? We must understand why they hate us? My answer shall be for the lives of those men and women in the present willing to go out to hold the flag high shout a resounding NO of I will not retreat, I must not understand anything except being an American requires sacrifice. Being an American also means taking a stand. Those men on that night took a stand. It turned the War of 1812, as History calls it, around from being a defeated America to being a victorious America. When and if the time comes, it all boils down to where each of us will stand. Will each of us stand under the flag knowing certain death is coming or will each of us run and hide? I know not yet, for my test has not come from God but God will come and God will test us all. What these men did on that night of 1814 for America by holding up that flag causes one to weep if one is sane. The insane and the lost, we can only pity them.
Because if you read it is about resisting, nor acquiescing or accommodating like those you you falsely label them as being, but planning for the future while containing to fight.
“While continuing to pray, preach, and campaign against this (read these nine words again)...
It will be a bloody war, and there is not lack of courage in making plans on how to continue to fight if the populace becomes even more “Vichy,” a most of the Republicans party is doing, as we see God delivering souls over to delusion.
“but planning for the future”
A future, in which God most assuredly will triumph.
Indeed He will, but the Lord was not teaching Vichy Christianity when He taught “But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.” (Matthew 10:23)
And which leaving the author of the article only places as postulation. I live in a very liberal state sanctioning gay marriage, and usually outreach wherever i go, and when the government came here to mark the opening of a new development, i made up a sign and protested against him as being pro-abortion, pro-homosexuality, pro-death. He avoided me. And have no plans to leave.
And I’ve left a pro-gay leftist state for Texas. There is no shame in strategic retreat. But now I will fight.
Texas is not a state but a country I’m told.
We seem to have read two different articles. I read it as a warning; you read it as an endorsement of capitulation. I would compare it more to Churchill's warnings during his "Wilderness Years" which fell on deaf ears. Churchill warned of the reality of Hitler and the expansion by force of the Third Reich. By doing so, he was not advocating collaboration. This article is warning us of what to expect when "gay marriage" becomes the law of the land; just as Churchill warned of what to expect from attempts to appease Hitler.
I don't know how you see the article as saying "bend over and take it"; but you can perceive things the way you wish.
Question: do you really not believe that "gay marriage" will eventually be the law of the land and that those of us who disagree will be criminalized?
“do you really not believe that “gay marriage” will eventually be the law of the land and that those of us who disagree will be criminalized?”
Yes, and that is why I view this article as Vichy-Republicanism. It starts from the false standpoint that gay marriage is inevitable.
We need to start from precisely the opposite standpoint - that gay marriage is inherently flawed and contrary to natural law. It cannot stand because there is nothing for it to stand on.
I’m not so sure they should be so loved.
Scripture very well tells us of those who rejected God’s natural affection and God Himself and were then turned over to their reprobate mind.
Even when fulfilling the Great Commission, were are also told to sell our tunic to buy a sword if unarmed and to not cast pearls before swine.
For those who have never heard the Gospel, yes, we should love them and share the Gospel. For those who have heard, rejected, and repetitively run to their sin, then attack Christ and God in their arrogance, they are enemies of Christ, not those who are to be loved.
Vengeance is the Lord’s, but giving them additional love in many cases is simply casting pearls before swine and may aggravate their condition to even lower aggressive states than before.
Well, the problem is what "so loved" means. If that means a lack of reproof then that is not love, for while "God so loved the world that He gave" the most precous Object of His love to save it, yet that Object said, "Me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil. " (John 7:7)
As how can i love my neighbor as myself if i do not oppose a practice that will send them to an eternal Hell and likely an early grave?
Yet knowing that the wages of sin is the second death, as that is what even the best Christian truly merits in pure justice, and that every believer was once a child of wrath, then the true born again believer can be an instrument of grace showing care, and in calling all lost to forsake the foolish and live, (Prv. 9:6) "Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. " (Acts 20:21)
And this also serves to warn them, as per Ezek. 33:8, but yes, there is a time and occasions to stamp the dust off your feet, and move on, but that is a matter of discernment.
good post
My compliments daniel1212. Great thread! May each of us weave a rope to hold on to.
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