Prepare for Gay Marriage [Warning]

head heart hand blog ^ | Feb 7, 2013 | David Murray

[daniel1212]

Prepare for Gay Marriage

I hate writing about this subject, but with both French and British parliaments passing gay marriage laws in the past week, we’re reaching a no-turning-back point in our world. God is sovereign and specializes in last minute rescues, but barring a Mordecai-type intervention we might as well face up to the reality that gay marriage is coming down the pike at an unstoppable speed, and it’s going to impact many Christians in damaging and even destructive ways. While continuing to pray, preach, and campaign against this (read these nine words again), we must also ask how we can prepare for the collision in such a way that minimizes the carnage.

1. Prepare our children
Most of us try to protect our children from sexual information until they are mature enough to handle it, without delaying so much that they end up hearing it first from someone else. We also want to lay a solid foundation of teaching them about God’s beautiful design for sexual relationships before eventually explaining the various perversions of God’s order.

That privilege – of waiting until our children are old enough and of presenting the beautiful before the ugly – will be increasingly denied us by the normalization and display of homosexuality in the media, in schools, and in the malls. This is going to be tough, but we will have to teach our children much earlier and about much more than we would ordinarily choose.

2. Prepare to love
Though Christians are often accused of hating homosexuals, homosexuals harbor far more hate for Christians than vice versa. They really do hate us in a way I’ve never seen in any other group – way more than radical Muslims or even the secular humanist and communist groups of the 1970′s to 1990′s, and that’s saying something. They are our self-declared enemies and want to see our beliefs, words, and actions criminalized. They want to shut down our businesses, render Christians unemployable, and incarcerate our preachers.

In response, we must love them.

That’s going to be one of the hardest things we will ever do, as most of us will never have encountered such personal enmity from anyone. But we must beg for the spirit of Christ, who prayed, “Forgive them father, for they know not what they do.” We must graciously and gently good-news them and good-deed them, while being unflinching in our moral convictions.

We don’t need to prove our spiritual manhood by condemning homosexuality in every sermon and prayer. Keep the focus on the saving love of Christ, no matter how tempting it is to get into constant condemnation mode. Remember, there are probably homosexuals in most of our congregations. Try to win them, not beat them.

3. Prepare for jail
I doubt most politicians really want lots of otherwise law-abiding citizens jailed for refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding, or for preaching that homosexuality is wrong. Many do, however, want to create a climate of intimidation that will deter Christians from doing such things. If the UK pattern is a model – and it looks as if US campaigners are using the same playbook – they will pass “hate-crime” legislation, press charges against us, shame us in the media, stigmatize our businesses and churches, threaten us with the loss of our children, and impose substantial fines, all in the hope to scare us into silence. But when none of these things move us, the legal penalties will intensify until eventually some of us, maybe many of us, will end up going to prison for it. We’d better get ready for that inevitable reality.

4. Prepare for betrayal
This is going to be a sifting time. Some Christians will cave. Prominent preachers will compromise. Famous Christians will distance themselves from believers who have fallen foul of homosexual campaigners. “What’s the point in going to jail? We can still preach the Gospel without ever mentioning homosexuality. We must be wise….etc.” There will be major Judas-type disappointments. The mighty will fall. But many humble unknown Christians will suffer honorably and beautifully and know the blessedness of being persecuted for righteousness sake.

5. Prepare a refuge?
This great nation was founded when a group of persecuted believers fled religious persecution to find and enjoy freedom of religion. It’s beyond ironic that the very same pilgrims would be among the first targets of this new “religious” persecution if they were alive today. If the current trajectory continues, we will look at one another and ask, “Where can we flee to?” Perhaps a State will come forward that will stand up to this tyranny and offer refuge to thousands of moral and spiritual refugees, aliens in their own land. Maybe another Mayflower will be required, perhaps many of them, this time to sail away from these shores in hope of finding freedom to worship and serve God according to His Word. But where to? Where is left? Russia? Which brings us to…

6. Prepare for eternity
The Bible makes clear, and history backs it up, that when a people goes down this route, it’s close to it’s end. It has run out of moral ground, it’s already over the cliff, and falling into the holy wrath of God. As country after country passes gay marriage laws, the end is coming closer and closer. If the USA falls, how far behind will God’s judgment be? The time is short and shortening. We need mercy, we need prayer, we need to plead with our family and friends to flee the coming wrath by fleeing to Christ the only savior of sinners – yes even homosexual sinners – that will come to Him for salvation.

In the meantime, let’s not give up and give in but continue to do all that we can to save our society and precious souls.

[OKRA2012]

* 1 teaspoon pure vanilla extract
* 12 egg whites
* one cup fresh chicken droppings
* one cup fresh pig manure
* one cup fresh horse manure
* Cake Release

With the tyrannical nanny state that we must live, I am afraid that the jack booted thug law enforcement officials and over reaching courts would send a baker who made such a cake using chicken, pig and horse manure for a gay wedding cake to prison for perhaps 20 years to life.

[WXRGina]

Oops. Forgot to copy you on message #40, since I mentioned your comments.

[CynicalBear]

I’m still trying to figure out what a “Vichy Conservative” is. The poster obviously didn’t like something about the post but surely didn’t state clearly what it was. Bringing something from previous threads perhaps?

[svcw]

I give. What is a Vichy Conservative?

[Syncro]

Arguing that it is inevitable and we must ‘prepare’ to ‘deal with it’ is no different than what Vichy did.

Vichy who?

Sparkle Plenty?

Hiding from what the left is embedding into the American culture is probably pretty Vichy unto itself.

[HarleyD]

I’m reminded of Lot who accepted the conditions of Sodom around him in exchange for living “peaceably” with the homosexual inhabitants. He even offered up his own daughters to appease them. And when the Lord told him to get out, Lot dug in his heels so that the Lord had to literally drag him out of Sodom while his wife was willing to look back much to her destruction. And then all he could do was moan for what he had lost.

This should be a warning for all Christians that it is far better to live in the wilderness like Abraham than to compromise with homosexuals. There is much to be said for loving and wanting people to come to Christ. But we shouldn’t fool ourselves either.

Homosexuality is the dead canary in the coal mine of civilization. The fact that this is rampant throughout the earth should tell us something.

[boatbums]

I wholeheartedly agree that we MUST love people to Christ. Though we need not be obsessive over one particular sin against another, we cannot wink at what Almighty God calls an abomination and which has caused the destruction of entire nations. Our first and primary objective is to preach the Gospel of the grace of God who gives to us eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ. It is only AFTER a person is regenerated and receives a new, spirit nature that he/she can understand the point of holy living that honors and glorifies God - not to BE saved, but because we ARE saved.

We would be sorely remiss if we did not help one another to come out of sinful lifestyles and that cannot happen if we pretend homosexual acts are "just another lifestyle choice" equal in value to heterosexual marriage. It would be one thing if the idea of homosexual acts being sinful was a "human" invention, or societal "norm" akin to Victorian prudishness in dress codes. But, the fact that God has ALWAYS condemned such actions from the start and enacted severe punishments for those who indulged in them, shows us that it is something that HE judges and denounces. It's not up to us to tell God how to manage His creation or deem right from wrong.

That really IS the issue here. A Godless people thinks it can decide for itself what is right or wrong, good or bad. As the article states, a society or nation that goes down that path without stopping and repenting is surely headed for destruction. It's happened before, it can/will happen again. May Christ find us faithful to Him.

[presently no screen name]

Why he says i am a Vichy Conservative is yet to be seen

He learned a new word and doesn't know how to use it properly. He just likes to mouth off wherever 'it' goes; I learned that last year when 'it' signed up. Expose and then ignore the idiots is the way to go.

[presently no screen name]

Your points are spot-on. This is a good piece.

I agree!

Daniel, as usual, excellent post. Thanks.

[boatbums]

HUH???

[daniel1212]

I was waiting for a response from you which never came, due to your censure of me, while equating myself and what the author advises with being like the Vichy French is absurd.

What is being advised is neither collaborating with the enemy or accommodating homomarriage in our churches, homes, or wherever else we are told to affirm it, nor is it advising things like voting for Romney, like others did whom you chastise, but instead it is tactically preparing for (”prepare for jail, betrayal by comprising Christians, etc.) what is already being manifest toward those who are not accommodating homomarriage and seems inevitable to increase, even while we fight it. And thus it is preparing us to be more like the French Resistance in dealing with a reality we oppose.

This includes,

1. Teaching children the right view of marriage earlier, as that will be denied.

2. Not letting our love grow cold because iniquity shall abound, but having a Christ-like attitude, but which is not the same as sanction of what the objects of it do.

3. Be prepared to be imprisoned for not accommodating homomarriage but opposing it.

4. Be prepared for betrayal by what can be termed “Vichy Christians:

“This is going to be a sifting time. Some Christians will cave. Prominent preachers will compromise. Famous Christians will distance themselves from believers who have fallen foul of homosexual campaigners. “What’s the point in going to jail? We can still preach the Gospel without ever mentioning homosexuality. We must be wise….etc.” There will be major Judas-type disappointments. The mighty will fall. But many humble unknown Christians will suffer honorably and beautifully and know the blessedness of being persecuted for righteousness sake.”

5. Perhaps prepare a refuge, which would be useful as a base.

6. Preach the gospel, “we need to plead with our family and friends to flee the coming wrath by fleeing to Christ the only savior of sinners – yes even homosexual sinners – that will come to Him for salvation.”

This is hardly accommodating, nor does making making plans to deal with what seems the future will be, without compromising, equate to giving up the fight.

And which i am not doing, but continue to oppose and debate such as promote liberalism.

In the state i reside, homomarriage is here, and 19 states plus the DoC sanction it or provide civil union rights, plus the military, the latter being the largest victory, and one that is hard to turn back.

In summary, believers must continue to fight, but wisdom also reads the signs and plans for resistance in the future without yielding in the present.

And as “we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things,” (Romans 2:2) and that prevalent homosexual relations and promotion of them is a precursor of Divine punishment, then warning souls to flee from the wrath to come and into the refuge provided by repentance unto God and Scriptural evangelical type faith in the Lord Jesus, so as to turn many to righteousness - and being able to do so - is a priority for every true born again believer.

[daniel1212]

Vichy France also known as Nazi France,[2] officially the French State (État français) was France during the regime of Marshal Philippe Pétain during World War II.

Vichy maintained full sovereignty only in the unoccupied southern Zone libre (”free zone”), while retaining limited authority in the Wehrmacht-occupied northern zone, the Zone occupée (”occupied zone”).

In November 1942, however, the Zone libre was also occupied, with Germany closely supervising all French officials.

Marshal Pétain collaborated with the German occupying forces in exchange for an agreement not to divide France between the Axis powers. Germany kept two million French soldiers in Germany as forced labourers to enforce its term. Vichy authorities aided in the rounding-up of Jews and other “undesirables”. At times in the colonies Vichy French military forces actively opposed the Allies.

Excerpts, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France

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Which is NOT what the author was expressing, but which advocates more of a mindset like a spiritual French Resistance,

“the collection of French resistance movements that fought against the Nazi German occupation of France and against the collaborationist Vichy régime during World War II.

Following the battle of France and the second French-German armistice, signed near Compiègne on 22 June 1940, life for many in France continued more or less normally at first, but soon the German occupation authorities and the collaborationist Vichy régime began to employ increasingly brutal and intimidating tactics to ensure the submission of the French population. Although the majority of civilians neither collaborated nor overtly resisted, the occupation of French territory[13][14] and the Germans’ draconian policies inspired a discontented minority to form paramilitary groups dedicated to both active and passive resistance.

The men and women of the Résistance came from all economic levels and political leanings of French society,...

After the landings in Normandy and Provence, the paramilitary components of the Résistance were organized more formally, into a hierarchy of operational units known, collectively, as the French Forces of the Interior (FFI). Estimated to have a strength of 100,000 in June 1944, the FFI grew rapidly, doubling by the following month, and reaching approximately 400,000 by October of that year.[8] Although the amalgamation of the FFI was, in some cases, fraught with political difficulties, it was ultimately successful, and it allowed France to rebuild a reasonably large army (1.2 million men) by VE Day in May 1945.

Excerpts, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Resistance

[daniel1212]

The less people rely on the state to define the institution for them better off they will be.

And the State is increasingly willing to oblige, so that it reign supreme, and scandals in "Christiandom foster that.

[Elsie]

Prepare for Gay Marriage [Warning]

Prepare for BRIMSTONE [HOT!]

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Genesis 13:13

Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

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2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
 

 

 

 

 

[daniel1212]

I do not see him as so much digging in his heels by “lingering,” but as being weak, indecisive and reluctant and or fearful to leave. And in fact what we see Lot does not show much of a strong will, and his apparent accommodation and lack of judgment - besides the issue of offering up his own daughters in an attempt to save the strangers, and getting drunk - is a real lesson. Yet as described, there is evidence that in some ways he was better than much of what you see today in Christianity.

[Elsie]

I’m not quite sure why we have Vichy Conservatives like you posting here.

If you're unsure, then it's obvious, to me at least, that you do NOT take what is posted at face value and must assume there is an unspoken ulterior motive for posting such stuff.

I'll be watching this thread to see how this plays out...

[Elsie]

The recent militant advance of homosexuality hasn't happened in isolation - it is the logical conclusion for a culture that has repeatedly, over many long decades, denied God's truth.

There ya go!

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2 Chronicles 7:14

If my people, who are called by my name,
shall humble themselves,
and pray, and seek my face,
and turn from their wicked ways; ,

then will I hear from heaven,
and will forgive their sin,
and will heal their land.

[Elsie]

In other words the meteor that exploded over Russia is a very small taste of what is to come.

YUa think???

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Revelation 8:8

The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

[Elsie]

You can’t marry your sister, your brother, or the family pet;
a sheep, or a goat - at least not yet!

And it better STAY that way; Buster!

No matter HOW hot she is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcunTqO4Jso

[Elsie]

That’s freedom.

Or just 3 minutes of.. of... of disapproval.