Posted on 12/28/2012 11:53:32 AM PST by SENTINEL
Stick To Your Guns
Justin Giles, Sergeant US Marine Corps (former)
Imagine you are walking through the woods on a dark cloudy night. You are startled by a vicious, snarling beast concealed in the blackness. Not knowing what else to do you scramble up a tree, afraid and unsure what to do next.
This is a natural human response to an encounter with an unknown foe. Because of this weak human tendency, military commanders throughout history have studied their potential enemies in minute detail. One man who understood this well was 6th Century B.C. Chinese General Sun Tzu.
“It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.” -Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Following the horrible crime in Connecticut, there is a lot of talk by oath breakers about curtailing freedom. Marxists calling themselves Democrats and liberals calling themselves Republicans have made it clear, “They” intend to disarm “Us”.
From the left side I hear cries for confiscation, and from the right I hear “Molon Labe”. To suggest that this could not lead to civil war is to ignore history. War is an ugly thing, so in the interest of peace I wish to help “Them” understand “Us” and vice-versa.
Cold Hard Numbers: “Us”
Estimates from various sources, from liberal to conservative , have the number of privately owned firearms in the United States in the vicinity of 300 million. Countless polls estimate these weapons are owned by around 47% of US households, or about 54 million. (47% of 114,761,359 households per US Census http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html)
The 2011 US Census shows a population of 311.6 million.
(http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html)
The 1775 population of the 13 colonies including slaves and Native Americans was around 2.4 million.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteen_colonies)
At the height of the revolutionary war in 1779, there were 35,000 Continental Soldiers and Marines, 44,500 militia and 5000 Continental Sailors fighting for freedom, for a total of 84,000 colonist men. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_war) This gave us an active combatant ratio of 3.5% of the population. This ratio was smaller during the earlier stages of the war, and once this and the 12,000 late arriving French troops are taken into account, the overall generally accepted 3% figure is derived.
3% of our population today equals 9.35 million, and this is only part of the story. I could make a very strong case that due to the fact that we today have a large standing army, and in colonial days they did not, the percentage of active combatants in any future resistance to disarmament would double or more. There are currently around 10 million oath-bound military veterans in the US between the ages of 22 and 50, many of them combat vets. (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html) I will leave this case for another time, because 3% is enough. Here are some quick numbers for comparison from the Federation of American Scientists.
3% US population 9.35 million
Chinese Military (active) 2.25 million
Russian Military (active) .96 million
US Military (active) 1.46 million
So, we are 9.35 million, but who are we ?
-We are overwhelmingly Christian, and worship the God of David, Elijah and Samson.
(http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-americans-77-christian-06-muslim)
-We dominate the military and veteran ranks.
-We are competitive shooters, hunters, outdoorsmen, fishermen, ATV and dirt bike riders.
-We are fathers and husbands, sons and grandsons of the generations who won the world wars.
-We are law abiding citizens who have been sold into slavery with a national debt so big it would take a tax increase, per household, the size and duration of a mortgage to pay off.
-We work in law enforcement, City, State and Federal. “We” are deeply among “Them”.
-We are 9.35 million men with battle rifles, not armed because we are free, but free because we are armed.
Cold Hard Numbers: “Them”
During the disarmament trial runs at Waco and Ruby Ridge, it was the ATF and FBI that bravely lead the charge against vicious women and children. Any future enforcement of new federal disarmament laws would be carried out by oath breaking members of these two agencies. Let’s break it down.
BATF (2006) 4,559 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BATF)
FBI 36,074 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fbi)
This gives us a total of 40633. There could be hidden within other agencies additional groups of oath breakers who may be used for disarmament. Because I am working toward a ratio, and I used what I believe to be a 50% low estimate on the “Us” column, I will not add an estimate for additional feds on the “Them” side. Don’t forget that “We” are deeply among “Them”, and “They” live among “Us”.
9,350,000 / 40633 = 230.1
“We” have “Them” outnumbered by >230:1.
Now that both parties have a proper perspective on things let us continue the conversation with the levels of respect and confidence due.
What about the military ?
There are differing opinions about this, most having a valid basis. I will lump local and state law enforcement into this portion of the discussion. I believe that at a local level, you could see almost anything happen militarily in the hypothetical case of resistance to disarmament. On a strategic nationwide level, unlawful orders to disarm the American populace would cause a stalemate within the military. Such unlawful orders would be carried out by some and opposed with force by others at levels from individual to division. Debilitating acts of sabotage both of covert and overt nature, at all branches and levels within the service, would skyrocket.
The US military, by and large, is comprised of citizens of the states and areas most likely to resist disarmament by force. This is the point in the discussion to consider the nation’s considerable veteran population. There are around 10 million veterans in the US between the ages of 22 and 50. We are most concentrated in the areas most likely to resist disarmament. We are the fathers and brothers of many active duty military members. We are armed. We are trained and experienced tankers, pilots, medics, infantrymen and Special Forces Operators. For every Ranger or Marine on active duty, there are as many as 7 armed veterans of fighting age with the exact same skill and training on the civilian side.
Splits within the military in the US happened during the Civil War, and even during the Roosevelt administration. General George McArthur took bribe money and signed on with a group of globalists to overthrow the US Government by force. US Marine Smedley Butler, when approached by the same group, went undercover and gathered information which he took straight to congress. Butler single handedly saved the nation in the most covered up piece of US History of all time. Read “The Plot To Seize the White House” by Jules Archer or “Devil Dog” by David Talbot for more information on this.
When an oath breaking Marxist who throws like a girl gives an order to an oath keeping Marine from Houston to shoot an oath keeping Former Marine from Houston because he won’t disarm, what do you think will happen ? Every active duty officer, sworn to uphold and defend the US Constitution from domestic enemies should think on that long and hard. Although localized actions of all types are likely, I predict strategic level stalemate.
Visualization of 230:1
Now back to that walk in the woods and the snarling beast in the dark. Hopefully the truth has thrown enough illumination your way to see that you’ve been treed by a Chihuahua. Imagine a 230 pound man versus a 1 pound purse dog.
Picture a large football stadium, completely sold out. The crowd versus those on the field and sidelines is about a 230:1 ratio.
Imagine a head on collision between a sport bike and a fully loaded 18 wheeler. That is a 230:1 weight ratio.
Take an ice cube from your freezer and hit it with an Oxy-Acetylene torch. That is a 230:1 temperature ratio.
Take heart, free Americans, our Founding Fathers have got your back.
Is this really worth fighting over ?
According to Professor Emeritus of Political Science at the University of Hawaii R.J. Rummel, totalitarian governments, mainly Marxist, killed 262 million of their own citizens during the 20th century. That unimaginable number is easier to grasp if one visualizes 10 million Sandy Hook Massacres. These are flat out murders of noncombatants, an act Rummel has labeled “Democide”. I highly recommend his excellent book “Death By Government”, and a study of the information on his website from which I have borrowed the following charts.
This is the kind of thing our founders wanted us armed with battle rifles to prevent. Forget the talk of the types conspicuously absent at places like Lexington Green and Normandy Beach. Lawyers, commentary, debate, or politicians have never granted liberty, nor stopped Democide.
This unprecedented murder is not an unfortunate side effect of Marxism, but the intent. One murderer of 77 million innocent men, women and children understood the importance of arms.
-“Every Communist must grasp the truth: Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”
-“Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party.”
-“A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery. It cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another.” Mao Zedong, The Little Red Book, 1964
It is not necessary to impute the actions of foreigners onto the Marxist movement in the US, they have been caught red handed ! Bill Ayers of 60’s Weather Underground fame, avowed Marxist and admitted murderer, held in his home a coffee “meet and greet” for Obama during his campaign for a vacant Illinois State Senate seat. Ayers and his cohorts set off dozens of bombs in the 60’s and 70’s, including one in the US Capitol building.
Here is an interview with an FBI agent who was undercover with Ayer’s “Weather Underground” during a discussion about slaughtering 25 million Americans and imprisoning many more in re-education camps.
2 Minute interview with FBI agent
Obama in his own book, “Dreams of My Father” admitted his leanings.
"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."
Obama’s appointments of Van Jones, John Holdren and dozens of others are right in line with his Marxist beliefs. Of course he will lie about it, of course he will mock, it is the “Alynsky” way, but numbers and history do not lie.
I do not waste my time on any other irrelevant “gun rights” arguments. 20th CENTURY DEMOCIDE IS ENOUGH !
Although the Democide numbers have been revised upward to 262 million since these final three charts from Rummel were published, they still give a good visualization to just how dangerous Marxist government is.
There is much talk and worry recently of a “Fiscal Cliff”. In my opinion we stepped off that, as a nation, long ago. All that is left is the sudden stop at the end of the long fall. What we should all be much more concerned with is the “Freedom Cliff”. We stand at the edge with a Chihuahua trying to scare us into jumping. The time is now to prevent Democide in America. One small step and it is all over.
History has warned us, in the same way God warned Samson, not to give up the secret to our power. We’ve listened to the Chihuahua again and again and every time she has worked for our destruction.
The God given right to own battle rifles, as enumerated in the 2nd Amendment, is enough to make the difference between a “Tianenmen Square” and a “Lexington Green”.
I have seen war. I pray for peace, but if forced I will chose the left column of this final chart over the right without hesitation. What Christian could not ? I understand Chihuahuas are allergic to combat boots.
230:1. Brothers, STICK TO YOUR GUNS !
There's more that needs to be destroyed too.
Look, we can keep going back and forth with the cutsey crap.
I don't have the time or patience.
It's going to be a tough nut. Big deal. It still needs to be cracked and we CAN do it. Even putting as bad a said of mud colored glasses as you are doing...
Why?
Because we've done it before and we have learned those lessons. The other side hasn't. This is obvious by how they are always doing what people in their position have always done. This makes them predictable.
Advantage us.
And yeah, it's still worth it.
Your first reply to this thread was
"Now Wait a minute..."Them" includes oath-breaking agents of the IRS, DEA, HHS, Marshalls service, Secret Service, State Police, local police, county sheriffs, and others ... including National Guard and regular Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps. Some will disobey orders ...but not all"
In spite of the fact that I address rationally these exact topics in my well researched article. Disagree about the numbers ? Sources not the best ? Let's discuss it, but you hit first with a "This dumb grunt missed these important points" - type post. Like I said, you're obviously well educated which leaves only your motives with dishonest demoralization of that type.
My argument is clear and concise. I allow and mention it in the article that there is plenty of wiggle room for numbers. I mention the split in the military during CWI and during FDR and you claim I'm basing it on feelings ?
In the end, we are armed. We are free, and we are strong enough to stay that way.
While we're on the topic of allies and alienation, coming to a FR gun rights thread with Harvard's rule book of logical debate isn't going to win you any followers yourself.
I agree. It will be tough, and it will be a big deal.
It still needs to be cracked and we CAN do it.
I agree; and I hope we can do it without blowing everything good and decent in this Great Republic to hell in the process.
Even putting as bad a set of mud colored glasses as you are doing...
Bloody hell ... somebody has to drag out the mud-colored glasses. The author makes Pollyanna look like a pessimist.
"230 to 1!!!! It'll be like a sport bike against a Mack truck!!!! Rah, Rah, Rah!!!!!"
What planet is this guy on?
Read later.
Read later.
The numbers are accurate. If you want to lay down your 230:1 chance to avoid marxist slaughter, be my guest.
Perhaps you should share with us your opinion on the numbers, and the sources from which you derived them.
Really, all you have done is misprepresented my research, claiming I didn't address topics which I clearly did, and further claimed that the numbers are wrong. Up to what light are you holding this for comparison ? Please illuminate us all.
A good percentage of those force multipliers are man-portable these days and will make it into the hands of the "rebels". Anti-armor, anti-aircraft, night-vision, rifle grenades, etc. - all easily smuggled into the hands of waiting ex-military men and women who know how to use them and instruct others.
The initial push-back has to be broad enough and last long enough to permit the oath-keeping faction in the military to make its move.
Accurate, but I wouldn’t fall into Arrogant’s trap of elaborating further. Some things are known by the honest but should not be posted.
Yep, and keep it mobile, or mobile-ready.
Also, this should be of some interest (in case anyone hasn't seen it yet):
AR-15.com SHTF / EMCOMM Frequency List (my hat is off to the arfcom folks who put this together)
Anyone feel like cooking up an FR version of this?
And yeah, if this sh*tstorm kicks off... The Feds don't stand a chance. They are skylined and they know it. That's why there's all this back-door/frog pot crap going on.
Without it, it'll be a slaughter. With it, they may back a few of us into Warsaw Ghetto type situations.
We ain't playin' that game this time around.
No, you did not rationally address them. You wrote off as nonexistent both the profusion of civilian "law enforcement" entities and the entire US military. You did so with no factual support, and used it to present a naively optimistic POV that IMO is dangerous. It certainly has been very dangerous to folks in the past.
Then, you responded to comment and criticism in a very brittle and personally offensive manner, which speaks ill both of you and of the position you're trying to hold.
The worst part of this is that in the main, I agree with you ... yet all you have accomplished in direct conversation is to convince me that you're a person to be avoided and not to be trusted.
Check your attitude ... it's not doing you any good.
This is worth reading. :-)
This is worth reading. :-)
Thank you for the ping.
The list masters with long lists are having multiple post problems.
However, I sent a post to a single FReeper yesterday, and it double posted, so who knows?
Finally!!! You're starting to come to your senses ... your "Rah Rah Rah" article at the top of this thread reads just like the "Rah Rah Rah" crap that preceded the first "US Civil War".
The numbers are accurate.
The numbers are nonsense. You have arbitrarily decided that only the BATF and the FBI are to be counted among "them" ... completely dismissing other Federal law enforcement entities along with State, county, and local police of various sorts. That's stupid. Worse (inexcusably worse), you arbitrarily decided that the military will be so divided as to be a non-participant. That's beyond stupid. It's unspeakable ... you puke that up, and then expect to be taken seriously?
You completely gloss over equipment differences, don't even mention the leftist propaganda machine ...
Really, it's no wonder you're so brittle about your self-so-called "research".
It's crap.
Many of those pushing for gun control are only thinking of where they can lead us, where we are determinded not to go. They are ignoring at their potential great peril if "we" are in range of their fire, "they" will be in the range of ours as well. In the end, they can be compelled to go where they do now wish to go. This is not a one way street once they push it beyond a certain point.
Additionally, a huge portion of their "army" of supporters is composed of fools, slackers, and ignoramouses. That rabble (mostly unmotivated by anything except what they can steal or smash) might be terrific for comprising a mob to burn some places down or intimidate, loot, and murder some innocents,... but not so great for long term.
These budding tyrants - so long having had their way and lusting to destroy our God given rights for their own evil ends - have lost the perspective of where an outrage as fundamental as this can go. They are moving beyond simply stealing our money and bankrupting this country. That was and is bad enough. But now they are after our very life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
A raging fire - once burning out of control - consumes all before it and is hugely unpredictable. I suspect their ideological blinders are keeping them from seeing that or else many would not be so foolishly fanning the flames of destruction and mouthing assent to it. Or, maybe they just imagine they can easily get away with it like they have everything else...?
There are around 10 million veterans in the US between the ages of 22 and 50...
True.
An ancestor of mine was mustered out into his local militia on April 19, 1775. He was one of the first to arrive at Concord Bridge and was wounded in the leg. On being helped from the field toward home, he met two of his brothers (about his age) and three of his sons heading toward the ongoing battle.
He never recovered and died of his wounds three months later. His beloved wife died on the same day as he did. He was 67 years old.
So, don't discount the additional numbers of vets (and other patriots) who fall outside this age group but still are willing and able. If it ever comes to the test in that awful time, many of us will be in the battle as well. They are the modern day Lobsterbacks and despicable Tories. We have nowhere else to run, nor do we wish to do so. This is our home and our country.
If 67 wasn't too old for our ancestors, it isn't too old for many of us, either.
Yes I did, with numbers, historical fact and personal experience. You essentially called me a liar in your opening salvo.
"The worst part of this is that in the main, I agree with you"
That's really the worst part huh ? You agree with me but go ahead and put all these unfounded doubts into people's minds during the middle of a psycholoigal warefare attack by domestic enemies ? Did you picket and protest the "Why We Fight" series during WWII too ? (yes I am questioning your age)
"...convince me that you're a person to be avoided"
Don't worry we're not likely to run into one another at the opera.
I hope you're right.
Hope is not a strategy.
They are skylined and they know it.
Are they? Really? All of them? The right ones? Are you skylined? Are you sure?
all this back-door/frog pot crap is going on because they hope (which is not a strategy) to rule over an America that's worth ruling over.
Without it, it'll be a slaughter.
I agree, but probably not in a way you like. It will be a slaughter either way.
Dude ... get over yourself.
Seriously. It's a discussion forum. Some folks will agree with you. Some folks won't.
It would be very helpful for you if you were to respond to comments and criticism without trying to shout folks down, insulting them, telling them to shut up, or ascribing base motives to them.
Did you picket and protest the "Why We Fight" series during WWII too ?
There you go again ...
What do you want Arrogant ? Maps, plans, names and places, times ? Hell maybe we can just lay this all out on a table and roll dice with the tyrants to see who wins.
Your insistence on details is incredibly suspicious.
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