Where is your data and proof to back up your assertions? I’m not saying you’re wrong but I like to deal with facts and evidence to support assertions.
Everyone is distraught and it seems to be part of human nature to search out someone or something to blame.
This much we know so far: Obama did not win because of strong and enthusiastic support-his votes will be down 7 million from 2008. Obama did win because not enough showed up to vote for Romney.
Whether or not that was evangelicals remains to be seen. By the way I am one and if this is true I will be deeply saddened (ala Tom Daschle)
That was my own conclusion yesterday. I know that I kind of balked, especially during the primaries and one of the reasons was Mitt’s Mormonism but also his record.
When he won the nomination and there was no other choice he became my choice and in the end I even got enthusiastic about him.
I reasoned with several people about the choices we had and influenced a couple of them and it was the Mormonism for all of them.
One could not be swayed and though she voted she just skipped the presidential race. I heard from others that there were many of them with that attitude.
And yet these same Christians must deny that God gives us the leaders (and candidates) that were before us, or else they would have gotten their sorry a$$es to vote. God gave us a choice and, as is our wont, we choice wrongly. I hope they are proud of their purity when the gubmint comes knocking at their door for some insane reason. As Christians especially, we can only hide for so long before the choosing.
No one on the Right is happy obamateur won. But do you think it’s productive to impugn peoples’ religious principles just because we’re sore losers? Evangelicals — for all their faults — are an important core of the conservative movement. Lose them with this kind of vicious rhetoric and then let’s see how relevant a force the Right is.
Evangelicals stayed home because they could not in principle support a man whose beliefs they found spiritually suspect. While I’m not happy about the effect that had, I do respect the integrity of their convictions.
And I’d really like to avoid the inevitable circular firing squad that comes in the wake of a loss like this.
If Romney was up front with his faith like the Cathy family, perhaps we could have seen an election day response similar to Chick-fil-A on 8/1. He kept talking about the economy and truly religious folks aren't impressed by materialism (at least myself and my neighbors aren't).
Despite that, our state went red, even though he's a northeast liberal.
Now that the problem has been identified, what's the solution?
Look, you can be mad at them all you want, but if you are a true patriot to the idea of Freedom of Religion...then you must respect the fact that many evangelical religious type folks adhere to...when the choice is between to evils...pick neither and move on.
I am very bitter with these people. They truly beleve the worse it gets the better because they think this heralds in Jesus’ return. They are going to be waiting a long frikking time and will be very lucky if they come out of this without having to take their religion underground.
I don't honestly know what the thought process is of the GOP-e actively recruiting Democrat-lite candidates but instead of blaming the base for not sucking it up maybe we should be blaming the idiots that gave us Willard in the first place. "We" nominate A pro-abortion, suddenly pro-life, Massachusetts liberal, suddenly right wing conservative, anti 2nd amendment, suddenly pro 2nd amendment, father of Romney care, Reagan hating, Morman (which a lot of evangelicals consider to be a cult and I happen to agree with them) and act surprised when some of the base didn't feel like the party had their best interests in mind? I suspect most understand this but I'll point out, yet again, that TRYING TO APPEAL TO "MODERATES" WHILE ALIENATING YOUR BASE IS A DUMB IDEA. Not to mention a losing strategy which even a slow learner should have understood after Dole, Bush (him winning hurt Republicans more that losing would have)and McCain. Instead we have the newest edition to the RINO loser list Romney.
I voted for Willard even though I felt dirty doing it but I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would single out a core group of supporters and blame them when the GOP-e did all but moon them and call them names. Actually they do call them names come to think of it.
There is only one group of people to blame and that is the liberals. More specifically it's the liberal GOP-e that got us into this mess. We need to drive them from the party burn everything they have infected with their liberal mind set and start again with core conservative ideas. If you don't think that core conservative ideas (embodied by candidates with a record of actually supporting these principles) can win elections then go become a Democrat.
I am an evangelical Christian and I voted for Romney the same way I would have voted for Darius over Nebuchadnezzer had I lived in ancient Babylon (had there been a vote). When the choice is between two non-Christians you vote for the one who will hopefully steer the country in a better direction.
I don’t believe this is true, rather a further effort to divide us. Certainly, there are some Christians who behaved this way; there are idiots of every persuasion. For the most part Christians are good people who strive to avoid evil. They have consciences that allow them to recognize evil, even when well disguised and know in their hearts that a government that condones the murder of unborn babies is in a sorry position to dictate morals and make laws for civil society. I would guess that Christians turned out in record numbers to unseat the communist; I would also guess that we will never be told that fact.
All the polls I saw from that night, it was a mixture of the Libertarian, Conservative, other parties etc.....that would have easily made up the vote to win. I am an evangelical and I can assure you that here in Texas, ALL evangelicals voted for Romney. Maybe some in other states did not feel it was right for them to do so, but that is between them and God. We do still have freedom of religion and if it violated their conscious to do so....then I for one will not condemn them. Trust me.....there are about 20 million more either non-christian or non-affiliated or Agnostic or whatever that did not bother to exercise their civic duty either.
This is an AMERICAN problem. People do not care to be involved in our election. That is why, every time you see one of those videos where they ask questions on the street, and the people are clueless about what is going on in our country or abroad. Maybe we ought to be angry with the Republican Party who promised us that their guy could get the job done? Don’t you remember, we did not want Romney.....PERIOD.....and then they screwed over ALL of our real Conservative candidates, and told us.....you will come around, because you have no choice. Mitt said they will warm up to me! What arrogance! Well, some people did not come around, and now we need to start seriously thinking about a VIABLE third party. If we don’t, things will never change, and we will be told whom we will choose and like it! When will we wake up and realize that this two party system is no longer working? How many more elections are we going to sit by and watch good men and women be passed over because it is what the party wants? Is this our country? Do we choose whom we want? Have we chosen since Reagan? I think not. It is our duty as Americans to vote our conscience. Instead of condemning people for how they vote, we could be offering them an alternative. A true people’s candidate. We need a “We the People Party”, so we have choice again. We can not continue to fight the Democrats, the media and our own Party leaders.....it is futile. We will lose every time. We need a strong Conservative Party who are unafraid to be who we are. A God loving, Country loving, bible believing fiscally conservative people who love life and our heritage, and are not afraid of the left! They are not ashamed of their belief’s and neither should we. If we are to ever get our country back, it will be with this boldness and the self as surety that the Founding Fathers possessed.
Let us stand up together against the real enemies of America....the media....the two party leaders and make a new path for ourselves and our children.
Doncha just admire the ‘self righteous’ (and a bit self centered) ultra-christians?
Yes they are. I detest Obama voters. But I have more respect for them than these cowards who mistakenly call themselves "evangelical Christians".
They are no less Obama voters than those who went to the polls and voted for him. They just voted through inaction.
If you think these people are OK you should go read the parable of the talents. We have been given something a lot more valuable than a talent of gold and they did far worse than bury it in the ground: They abandoned it by the side of the road, leaving it for others to squander.
Where is your data? According to Allahpundit, Romney got considerably more evangelical support than McCain.
Moreover, I don’t care for the term evangelical because it is a term that has been stripped of all meaning. I am a conservative Southern Baptist, a Calvinist. I am considered an evangelical, but so is Jimmy Carter, another Baptist. Jimmy and I would agree on virtually nothing beyond the time of day. Romney (or Rick Perry/Newt/Santorum) was never going to get the votes of those evangelicals whose understanding of the Bible approximates Jimmy Carter.
I don’t know where this data is coming from or how accurate it is. Call me skeptical on this. But I also would not be surprised if it is true. Christians are much more concerned with the next life than this world. They already think this world is a realm of misery ruled by Satan. For any that did stay home because he is a Mormon I say may you be damned!
Question is why are good people so stupid?