WAS OBAMA ONCE AN INDONESIAN CITIZEN? HERE’S WHAT WE FOUND WHEN WE WENT THERE LOOKING

The Blaze ^ | November 5, 2012 | Charles C. Johnson

[Seizethecarp]

To find out more about Obama’s time in Indonesia, TheBlaze tracked down Father Bart Janssen. He’s the elderly founder of Santo Fransiskus Assisis who we found in a monastery in Den Bosch, The Netherlands. We asked him, through a Dutch translator, what he remembers of the young Barack Obama.

Janssen doesn’t remember who registered Obama, but he recalls that Obama’s mother didn’t speak Indonesian at the time, so he thinks that both the stepfather and the mother would have been there together to register their son. He also doesn’t think the details in Obama’s registration document should be considered official declarations of his faith or citizenship because it wasn’t a government form and people played loose with such facts at the time. For example, it was typical to register as Indonesian and Islamic just because you were living there, so the religion indicated may just be what his father put down because it was the normal thing to do.

An exit after one term from the White House could act as a catalyst for more information more quickly. An Obama win, on the other hand, would likely keep any information – at least from the president himself — sealed for at least four more years.

Voters on Tuesday, then, may be deciding more than just who the next president is – they could help decide how much more we know about the one we have now.

[SvenMagnussen]

Obama obtained his SSN as a Permanent Resident Alien (Green card holder). It is valid.

The database some people use to determine whether a SSN is valid or not is inaccurate.

Obama’s vulnerability is in is NUMIDENT file. The NUMIDENT file is a collection of alphanumberic characters coded in the file by a trained document examiner with the SSA. One of the fields is referred to as the PRA (Permanent Resident Alien) field. Obama’s PRA field is a “Y” for YES.

My PRA field character in my NUMIDENT file is a “N” for NO because I was born in America and have never been issued a Certificate of Loss of Nationality by the U.S. SoS.

Now, before Highlander and Advertisingguy Freepmail and demand visual proof, let me just say you will have to trust me. Focus on legally obtaining Obama’s NUMIDENT file. It can obtained with a subpoena or by him waiving his privacy rights. Otherwise, you’ll have to ignore me for never satisfying your demands for visual proof while completely ignoring the fact it would not be admissible or legal for me to provide it to you.

[advertising guy]

while I appreciate your dogedness, you are gettin on my last nerve

Sven has posted he saw the doc and has said what law is postin it and do yourself a favor

read Sven’s hey howdy page

good God man

[advertising guy]

oh...and I never ax’d ya to post a damned thing....I too can dd. as I said more times than 1....you are good.

[SvenMagnussen]

“oh...and I never ax’d ya to post a damned thing....”

Prove it! Otherwise, you’re merely posting opinion and conjecture.

[rxsid]

"We would love to believe your theory but until there is verifiable proof it is nothing but a wet dream.

We live in such an Alice in Wonderland world....."

That's correct. If he has documentation related to a naturalization, they will be revealed around the same time as his legitimate B.C. related records on file in HI (If they exist), along with the nation recognizing that his S.S. card and S.S.N. are bogus.

Nobody. Has. Standing.

Nobody. Has. The. Guts. To. Openly. Investigate. The. Fraud. (Save for Sherriff Joe & his Posey)

The documents, whatever they may be, will not see the light of day in a courtroom...let alone on the evening news.

Ask yourself, the media, any one of the "conservative" talking heads and your elected "representative" this one...single...question:

"HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?"

Ask them if the current King of Thailand, Bhumibol_Adulyadej (born in the U.S. while his father was studying at Harvard) is constitutionally eligible to be our Commander in Chief as well?

Wouldn't that be something? If the media liked the guy enough, and hollywood sold him on the ignorant youth/masses, Bhumibol_Adulyadej could litterally be our President and Commander in Chief AND the King of Thailand. Too many people in this country believe this situation would be Constitutional simply because the King was born here.

Stunning.

[advertising guy]

post 42 and ya forgot your sarcasm tag

[SvenMagnussen]

“Nobody. Has. The. Guts. To. Openly. Investigate. The. Fraud. (Save for Sherriff Joe & his Posey)”

A person living and in America without a valid BC is an immigrant. The next step is to examine Obama’s naturalization file and not go back to Hawaii to ask for an explanation for the fraudulent BC.

Maricopa County Sheriff Arpaio could go to Maricopa County resident Janet Napolitano’s home with a search warrant. Janet Napolitano is the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security and custodian of immigration records.

Furthermore, Sheriff Arpaio could ask the FBI to assist with a search warrant in Washington, D.C. for Obama’s immigration records. Obama’s Certificate of Naturalization is additional proof of a fraudulent BC.

[rxsid]

Sven...your tenacity is indeed amazing. Perhaps that has a lot to do with your large ego.

However...

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A person living and in America without a valid BC is an immigrant.

That's true, but in order to determine someone is without a valid BC, there needs to be some sort of discovery save for perhaps an admission by the person. You know full well, that neither will happen in the case of Barry Soetoro. The courts are terrified (as are Congress) what discovery would uncover for the first (half) black President. Because of this country's history of slavery...*no* discovery will be allowed.

The next step is to examine Obama’s naturalization file and not go back to Hawaii to ask for an explanation for the fraudulent BC."

His naturalization file, if it exists, will never see the light of day for the above mentioned reasons.

Maricopa County Sheriff Arpaio could go to Maricopa County resident Janet Napolitano’s home with a search warrant. Janet Napolitano is the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security and custodian of immigration records."

You know as well, that this has a 0% chance of happening. The feds would cook something up to throw Sheriff Arpaio in a fed pen and his case wouldn't be adjudicated for years. There's no way the Sheriff would (or even should have to) do that.

"Furthermore, Sheriff Arpaio could ask the FBI to assist with a search warrant in Washington, D.C. for Obama’s immigration records. Obama’s Certificate of Naturalization is additional proof of a fraudulent BC."

If the military brass didn't care about LTC Lakins questions about lawful orders...the FBI wouldn't give a rat's a@@ about such a request from a Sheriff in Arizona. They would simply say there is no justification for such a "fishing expedition" if they even took the call/letter from him.

IMO, the key to this thing is the media. It's simply the world we live in today.

The only way possible that this eligibility question gets any legs is if the media does what's it's supposed to do and starts questioning these numerous things. This, of course, will not happen. The issue has been successfully stigmatized and the "conservative" media has jumped on that bandwagon.

The courts will continue to point to Congress, and Congress will continue to point to the courts.
Without persistant questions from the media, the Congress will continue to cower (for reasons above. i.e. Black President, slavery, perceived racism).

Nobody has standing, Nobody has the responsibility to determine a Presidents eligibility, Nobody has a case that is ripe, Nobody has a case in a court of jurisdiction.

As much as the country desparately needs it and as much as we might want it to happen, documentation discovery; Will. Not. Happen.

[WildHighlander57]

advertising guy, (Sven, FYI)

I do remember Sven saying he saw them.

I also remember Sven saying something about SENDING docs, either to Orly or Sheriff Arpaio.

His howdy page only says how the document holder can get a copy of his OWN info.

Not how you or I could get it.

Sven,

Could you tell us WHERE and WHEN you saw the USCIS docs?

And whether you sent any 0 USCIS docs to Orly or sheriff Arpaio?

[rxsid]

"read Sven’s hey howdy page"

Sven's homepage only applies to the person themselves, who are looking for a certified true copy of their own Certificate of Naturalization.

It doesn't mention anything about an interested "3rd party" who might want to get a hold of someone elses Certificate of Naturalization. I doubt such a thing would even be possible without a court order.

[advertising guy]

no disrespect.......none but you guys kill me

click Sven;s name and click in forum and read to about 4 pages back...he book chapter and verse explains where when how and HOW NOT this process is

[WildHighlander57]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2965752/posts?page=113#113

See post #146 in the thread; claim is made by Sven that the list is 0bot talking points designed to distract..... and the naturalization stuff (one of HIS points) is among them!

Did that one get in there by mistake?

Hmmmm.

[SvenMagnussen]

It’s a shame you choose not to pursue proof from Obama of his eligibility as you have pursued me. You’re a pitbull.

Have searched for children issued CLNs in the 60s by SoS Dean Rusk? Did any of those children put forth a convincing argument they understood the ramifications of renouncing their U.S. Citizenship or did SoS Rusk issue a CLN without their consent? Why did the U.S. State Department issue policy guidance for minors to recapture their U.S. Citizenship and natural-born citizenship status if their parents are unable to renounce their children’s citizenship? Someone must have issued those kids a CLN; otherwise, there wouldn’t be a need for the policy.

Obama was not the only child issued a CLN by SoS Rusk. Some of the children sued in U.S. Federal Court to recapture their U.S. Citizenship and their natural-born citizenship status. Did the Court all children issued CLNs were to be reinstated or did it rule children issued CLNs would have to make an affirmative act demonstrating a desire to recapture their U.S. Citizenship?

Remember to post pictures, screen caps, audio tapes, video, etc. of the results of your investigation.

[rxsid]

You said to: "read Sven’s hey howdy page" and said nothing about clicking pages back to read his history of posting.

His "hey howdy page" was meant to mean his home page...was it not?

So....I read it, and posted a reply on it.

But I guess we were supposed to know to read through his posting history instead of his profile homepage.

[rolling_stone]

So where did Obama=Soetoro naturalize?

[SvenMagnussen]

Post 146?

I was quoting a post from the person I was responding to and then commented Obama’s Certificate of Naturalization is proof of his ineligibility.

Later, I read a comment on Dr. Conspiracy’s site from poster that believed Obama’s COLB makes Obama’s Certificate of Naturalization irrelevant. So, some people are going to believe Obama is eligible no matter what.

And some people have invested too much time and energy in false narratives and will never admit Obama’s original long form birth certificate was sealed and archived after the Soetoro adoption was finalized, Obama’s SSN was filed for him by Catholic Social Services of Connecticut when he was a Permanent Resident Alien living in Hawaii and Obama naturallized as a U.S. Citizen in 1983 after SoS Rusk issued him a CLN in 1968.

[rxsid]

"click Sven;s name and click in forum and read to about 4 pages back...he book chapter and verse explains where when how and HOW NOT this process is

In fact, Sven had this to say:

"Unless a court orders it’s release, Obama’s Certificate of Naturalization on file with the USCIS is a private matter and cannot legally be exposed. "

Which is what I've said here.

However, a court order AINT GUNNA HAPPEN.

To beat the dead horse again...NOBODY has standing. NOBODY can have a case in a court of jurisdiction. NOBODY's case is ripe...at any time. NOBODY has the responsibility or lawful duty to verify Barry's eligibility.

Sven may indeed have seen Barry's Certification of Naturalization...but it's MEANINGLESS to everyone else, including the country. It. Will. Not. Be. Allowed. To. Be. Disclosed.

Barry's black, and the country continues to suffer for the sins of slavery in the past. Nobody is going to go out on that limb to force discovery of any of his personal documents.

The country continues to be transformed.

[advertising guy]

you fail yourself one question

how did Sven see it......

the answer is in his writin’s

[WildHighlander57]

Here’s the post, has my questions and a synopsis of your points.
To which you reply about “proving it to be factual, beyond a reasonab le doubt” being “busywork put forth by obots”.

To: WildHighlander57

“And do you have screencaps, pictures, foia’ed documents, video, something that can be reproduced for the points below?

Lolo soetoro adoption finalized in HI

COLB with Lolo as father and Barry soetoro as son

Barry came into the u.s. as unaccompanied minor with foreign citizenship

Dean rusk issued a cert of loss of nationality to Barry in 1968

SADO told state dept Barry became Indonesian citizen

ICE took Barry into protective custody when he came back

There was a custody hearing where SADO wanted Lolo as dad but court said no, its BHO SR, they sealed the Lolo cert and issued one with BHO SR. as dad “

This is all terrific background information on BHO II. Proving it to be factual, beyond a reasonable doubt, is busy work put forth by Obots to ensure Obama gets sworn in to his second term.

A certified copy of Obama’s Certificate of Naturalization presented to a Federal Court is an unequivocal answer to the eligibility question. Anyone with a Certificate of Naturalization is ineligible for POTUS or VPOTUS, regardless of their place of birth or parentage.

Like a birth certificate, a certified copy of a Certificate of Naturalization can be obtained with minimal effort after a waiver of privacy rights or a subpoena is granted.

146 posted on 12/06/2012 9:39:50 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy)

[little jeremiah]

The king of Thailand would undoubtedly a much better president that the steaming pile currently in the WH.