WAS OBAMA ONCE AN INDONESIAN CITIZEN? HERE’S WHAT WE FOUND WHEN WE WENT THERE LOOKING

The Blaze ^ | November 5, 2012 | Charles C. Johnson

[Seizethecarp]

To find out more about Obama’s time in Indonesia, TheBlaze tracked down Father Bart Janssen. He’s the elderly founder of Santo Fransiskus Assisis who we found in a monastery in Den Bosch, The Netherlands. We asked him, through a Dutch translator, what he remembers of the young Barack Obama.

Janssen doesn’t remember who registered Obama, but he recalls that Obama’s mother didn’t speak Indonesian at the time, so he thinks that both the stepfather and the mother would have been there together to register their son. He also doesn’t think the details in Obama’s registration document should be considered official declarations of his faith or citizenship because it wasn’t a government form and people played loose with such facts at the time. For example, it was typical to register as Indonesian and Islamic just because you were living there, so the religion indicated may just be what his father put down because it was the normal thing to do.

An exit after one term from the White House could act as a catalyst for more information more quickly. An Obama win, on the other hand, would likely keep any information – at least from the president himself — sealed for at least four more years.

Voters on Tuesday, then, may be deciding more than just who the next president is – they could help decide how much more we know about the one we have now.

[little jeremiah]

Excellent points and clarifications of some of what is “known” and some of what is “unknown”.

I want to see an entire narrative of same...

[Fred Nerks]

It all starts with the identification of the two little boys, once that is understood, the remainder falls into place. I'll tell it with images, one more time:

Little boy ( I call him zero) is photographed in the backyard of what looks like a beach shack somewhere tropical, both standing and sitting on a step; he's wearing what I think you call 'training pants'. The photograph has been freely circulated and the child has always been identified as zero.

Mark Ndesandjo, son of the kenyan and Ruth, writes a book dedicated to his 'brother David' on his website (image now removed) and I'm reminded of the paragraph in 'Dreams' that attempts to tell how zero as an adult, was mistaken for a dead brother (died in a motorcycle accident) in the street somewhere in Kenya. Others have by this time, made efforts to locate this missing 'David' of whom only one photograph exists, in which he has one black arm and one white arm, and looks Polynesian. No one can find anything on 'David' - other than Malik was using this strange image to raise funds for a 'foundation' - I think it's still on the web, if I find it again I'll post it. 'David' has been picked up by various geneaology sites, but his dates of birth and death vary depending on where you look. 'David' is a ghost...

He's a ghost because the lighter coloured boy in the two little boys photograph that Mark showed, was zero. And because Zero was born sometime in 1961, and Mark was born in Kenya in 1965, Mark has deliberately misidentified the two little boys in the photograph. Why would he do that? You are about to find that out...

The kenyan returned to Kenya in August 1964, Ruth followed soon after we are told, and on Christmas Eve, 1964, they married. She gave birth to Mark, the child she is holding, sometime in 1965, although Mark has never favoured anyone by giving his birthdate, other than the statement he made, I am younger than Obama

Barack Hussein Obama 11 was the child 'granny' Sarah from the village insists was the son of the kenyan, who passed through her hands in a Clan custom, he's the son the kenyan wrote home about when he told his father he had a son in Hawaii, he's the boy Malik says he remembers playing with when they were boys, he's the child Aunt Zeituni talked about when she stated how angry she was about the talk that he wasn't born in Hawaii, she was there in Kenya when the letters arrived from the kenyan student, she knows the child was named after himself. He grew up, Malik says he taught school in Uganda, he was seen at the funeral of his father in 1982, and not long after, was accepted for a scholarship at the Lumumba University in Moscow, where he spent almost a decade and was interviewed, as a 31 year old law student named Roman Obama in 1992.

LUMUMBA UNIVERSITY ARTICLE

And one fine day, when a PI input the name BHO2 into Search with the State of IL., up pops the data on a man with a birthday of 8.1.1961 (written on his passport the way the europeans write their dates) and he's married to Michelle at the obama address, but his enthnicity is shown as Equatorial Guinea...a previous Portugese colony...and he shows up as an Administration Official for the Consul of Equatorial Guinea, in Accra, Ghana...

I gather he had good reasons not to return to Kenya after leaving Moscow. He added EKUA to his name, which in swahili, I have been told, translates to pushed or shoved aside which it seems he had every right to feel that he was.

Truth IS stranger than fiction. 'David' was created to take away our attention from the boy who is standing there with his father and Ruth in that family image. And Seizethecarp, you can stop insulting my intelligence by insisting that 'David' and zero look so much alike because they had the same father. There never was a David.

THERE WAS ONLY EVER ONE BOY WHO LOOKED LIKE ZERO AND THAT WAS ZERO.

[little jeremiah]

She gave birth to Mark, the child she is holding, sometime in 1965, although Mark has never favoured anyone by giving his birthdate, other than the statement he made, I am younger than Obama

Sounds as though Mark didn't really enjoy lying to cover for the he's not actually related to in any way. Younger, he? No wonder Mark is no doubt laying low.

[Fred Nerks]

...“The wife in the Philippines from whom he is separated...”

Cute, isn't it? And they couldn't turn her into Stanley Ann Dunham like they did with Anna Obama who was living in Seattle, because Stanley Ann Dunham, when he signed that statement dated April 21, 1964, was in Hawaii according to the enrollment record from the university, which placed her there from Spring of 1963...and the divorce application lodged in January 1964, was granted in March. Is it any wonder I think of that document which granted her custody of an unidentified child, as a fantasy?

The above shows he acknowledged receipt of the divorce papers 30th January 1964. I think that's when he finally gave the name of his son away.

[Fred Nerks]

Mark is in China, I doubt he's ever going to do anything but go along with the myth, think of where his mother is living. Think of Joseph, her son with Simeon Ndesandjo. I doubt Mark would do anything that would endanger any of them. He inherited, the only one to do so, because he was the only one whose mother had a birth certificate...any documents that might point to the truth would be in his possession imo. Mark's age is not in doubt, it's his birthday...that's missing, he was born in Kenya, and his mother didn't arrive there until very late in 1964. Unless she was already very pregnant on arrival, Mark had to be born in 1965. That child she is holding is about I year old or a little more, so the dark boy, who comes to her waist, would be around five.

[Seizethecarp]

The “dark boy” is Mark and the boy in his mother's arms is David with the picture circa 1970. Period.

This is a total rehash of debunked claims made in the Mal-Val thread and previously.

[Fred Nerks]

You’ve been blocking this information for what must be at least a year...you do it using nothing as evidence other than the propaganda you’ve been fed. One day, people are going to wake up to you and ask themselves, why is Seizethecarp doing this? You are not a stupid man, there has to be a reason. You block very item I present, and offer nothing of your own, other than your opinion and words words words...you’ve never shown a document or an image, not that I can remember.
So does that mean, that any opinion other than your own, no matter how often explained or how documented, isn’t allowed expression?

You certified document examiner FASCIST, you.

[Seizethecarp]

“The verifiable evidence of SAD being the mother is lacking.”

“These trees a) the true identity of the Filipino woman and b) the logistics of ‘return from Indonesia’ have never been answered.”

IMO the contemporaneous verifiable documentary and circumstantial evidence in the FOIA INS and Passport records and newspaper announcements and U of HI and U of WA archives (again, all verifiable in federal court) all corroborating that SAD is Barry's mom is overwhelming and beyond a reasonable doubt.

In contrast there is zero evidence of ANY relationship with the Asian woman named as Anne at the Nachmanoff's party. Nor is there any evidence that she is Filipina. IIRC, she was given a last name that was Japanese by the Cambodian member of the gang!

I have seen no corroboration of the 1964 McKeon letter reference to any wife in the Philippines from whom BHO Sr. was separated who may or may not have been a Filipina. McKeon was in Baltimore and the source of his information is not given. Sr. was such a scoundrel, he could have “married” yet another unidentified woman during the period from August 1961 when SADO left HI until 1964. McKeon does not say what the name of the wife in the Philippines is, and specifically does not call her Ann, Anne or Anna. There is no information as to where the alleged marriage occurred. Occam's Razor would suggest that the mention of a separated wife in the Philippines is a mistaken reference that was intended to be to Hawaii (simply brain fart?) or that BHO Sr. wanted to put the INS off the trail of his now ex-wife and son by misdirecting the Baltimore office away from Hawaii. Sr. would have a motive to avoid any questioning regarding his ex-wife and son. Sr. lied repeatedly on many points regarding his age, his wives, his children.

You must understand that making up speculative shell-game evidence of an alternate “real” BHO II who mother is an alternate mother from Stanley Ann is a necessary diversion from the actual evidence created by “the researchers” to support the Mal-Val narrative which, a priori, demands that Valerie Sarruf MUST be Barry's “real” mom. It is all explained in that thread, if you haven't read it.

There is no evidence that Barry ever traveled alone from Indonesia to HI, likely through layovers, and, as you point out, after his alleged loss of nationality in 1968 (contrary to the 1967 SCOTUS ruling) he managed to be in the 3rd grade at Christmas in 1969.

[little jeremiah]

I think that's when he finally gave the name of his son away.

No doubt for a pretty penny. No wonder Roman looks bitter.

[little jeremiah]

Fred N: The “dark boy” is Mark and the boy in his mother’s arms is David with the picture circa 1970. Period.

Seizure: This is a total rehash of debunked claims made in the Mal-Val thread and previously.

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I’ve read voraciously and I’ve never seen it debunked. For some reason, Seize, you don’t like what is presented. If you had other evidence, that would be one thing. But you don’t.

[bluecat6]

I am not diverting anything for any reason.

I simply ask - who is the Filipino woman referred to in official government documents. And might there be a connection to photographic evidence of Filipino women at the Nachmanoffs and in ‘dock picture’. Without a shred of doubt the women in the dock picture ARE Filipino heritage. There is no agenda there, that is a simple fact. What does it mean? Don’t know. What is the implcation if Senior had another child by another US wife who was Filipino heritage? Don’t know. But there are data points that are just passed over since they do not fit ANYONES agenda. I just ask the question - who is the woman McKeon refers to and why are photos of Filipino women with Obama senior of which one is identified as ‘Anna’. Anna WHAT? ‘she was given a last name...’ - ok, what was her name before THAT?
Simple questions. If Obama had another wife it would change the timeline and story lines - official and unoffical. So like a lot of things its seems to be ignored at the risk of rocking the boat.

As for SAD as birth mother. Let count up the formal evidence we have.

1. An apparent change (add/delete - who knows) to a passport in an incomplete FOIA document.
2. Supposed birth announcements in the paper.
3. A fraudulent COLB.
4. A fraudulent LFBC.
5. A few photos - some obviously photoshopped.
6. A fraudulent story of family life by Obama himself. The Dreams story says the family lived together in Hawaii until father left for Harvard. No mention of Seattle, no mention that apparently he and his father were really never together at all from 1861 through 1962 when senior left. The story is a fraud. Frauds leave you asking - why?

What is not available.

1. Hospital records or acknowledgement of birth at a hospital that direct connects mother and child.
2. Any solid mother-child photos. Someone had a color camera in the early 60s and took photos of gramps and Obama at the beach. Not many of mother and child?
3. Any known were-abouts of Stanley Ann after the supposed marriage and September 1961. It is dark black hole in her life.
4. Any evidence of her and child traveling internationally together. The October 1971 immigration records do not show her with a child. Again other than the cross-out on the amendment in 1968 there are no other official records that tie mother and child together. If I am missing something let me know.

I am not saying she is NOT the mother. But to say there is overwhelming evidence that shows she is seems a stretch.

Einstein said ‘nature abhors a vacuum.’ My questions merely point out there is still a lot of vacuum in ALL the theories and we already know the ‘official story’ is just plain fraudulent.

[Fred Nerks]

I'm going to ignore him, and carry on with the next sequence, which has to do with the question, who was Lolo Soetoro? Meanwhile, here's a link to the video from which the screencaps for Ruth with her baby were taken, and the family group in Kenya. Mark shows the images to the interviewer leaving the impression he's showing a photograph of himself as a baby and and never at any time does he refer to 'David' -

LINK TO CNN VIDEO

An oversight? Maybe. It's all fairy-land and Disney-world and Mark can spin a yarn quite as well as any of them. When he says he's my big brother I can hear the violins...

[Seizethecarp]

“I simply ask - who is the Filipino woman referred to in official government documents.”

It is “wife in the Philippines” not “Filipino wife.” Anthropologist Stanley Ann and notorious foreign man-chaser might have been on a field trip!

In any case all of this is nonsense put up to make this alleged Filipinos the mother of a mixed-race “real” BHO II who, according to the Mal-Val narrative, supposedly was taken to Seattle and babysat by Marry Toutonghi but then was identity-swapped with Barry in HI in 1964. Barry, son of Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf, assumed the BHO II identity (Barry was brought in from God knows what birthplace as yet undocumented in any way).

The “real” BHO II was spirited off to Kenya where he was raised by BHO Sr. and Ruth Baker as their own...and then grew up to be Roman Obama who was schooled in Moscow..who appears to be a full-blooded African with skin dark as coal and NOT a half-Filipino!

That is the narrative that this whole baseless speculation about a Filipina wife for BHO Sr. is crafted from whole cloth to get to!

IMO, the only vacuum in the evidence is as to the location of Stanley Ann when she gave birth to Barry. You left out the extensive references to her in HI getting knocked up by Sr. and then intending to go to university in WA the INS FOIA docs.

[little jeremiah]

I am wondering who was “in charge” of this ID switch operation. It wasn’t organic - just happened by itself - someone or someones were in charge of arranging the whole thing.

Those who got the ID switched, hired the nanny, made it so that the Dunhams were the “grandparents”, arranged for him to go live in Indonesia, and so on.

And of course who paid for Punahou and thereafter.

[little jeremiah]

Anthropologist Stanley Ann and notorious foreign man-chaser might have been on a field trip!

You really want her to be a slut, don't you. Odd.

[Fred Nerks]

... ‘nature abhors a vacuum.’

Well done!

And all I am trying to do is fill that vacuum using the slips of the tongue and the numerous mistakes they made; it's no use attacking 'Dreams' because it's not a biography anyway, there's no chronology, and in the preface it clearly states that (aside from family) some characters are composites. Well, there are so many characters in that book that aren't family anyway, he gets away with it; there are composites all the way through. William Ayres, if it was he who wrote the book, skillfully blended the various protagonists and gave them to zero as a family.

But he carefully left out Frank Marshall Davis, who lived with his wife and five children all born since 1948, in a beach shack on the windward side of the island, before he moved to Honolulu itself. He used to drive 35 miles to work at the Honululu Record. And if Helen was looking after both of the boys in the two little boys image, we wouldn't know, would we? But what we do know is that they were somewhere together at the same time in the same place.

How long for? Maybe as long as it took for Frank to fix the unidentified child up with an ID. And that opportunity came soon enough. Virginia Sunahara died the day after she was born at the Wahiawa Hospital. There was never a birth announcement for her, but her death announcement appeared on the 8th of August.

I have no idea how they finagled her birth certificate number, but I'm convinced they did, and that's why her brother cannot obtain a birth certificate for his sister. The HDOH gave her an amended BC number some 400+ numbers after her date of birth, a fortnight later, on August 29.

But for goodness sakes, what happened to her entry on the day she was born?

Thus you see the address in the Polk for Hawaii being used for a birth announcement although no one ever saw a Mr and Mrs Obama living there...and the daughter of the family who shared the house, doesn't remember any young woman with a child at the address, and I daresay that Stanley Armour would have been well prepared to accept or explain any floral tributes that were sent to the house by way of congratulations...but then, keep in mind, that all the people who wrote tributes to the kenyan that were published on the Cambodiana website, who knew him in 1961, never knew he had a wife and child in Hawaii. Seems ANN or ANNA was well tucked away during her pregancy. Why?

It might be that his sponsor, Elizabeth Mooney (later Kirk) would not have been impressed, she paid for his fare to Hawaii and gave him money aside from what he was given from time to time by the group she was working for, the LAUBACH SOCIETY. Elizabeth knew Kezia. She also doted on her kenyan protege...there was gossip in Nairobi that the two of them used to go dancing...

I have no idea who he's shown with here, but he was quite the dashing charmer, wasn't he?

He worked for an entire MONTH for the pineapple cannery, THE DOLE CORP and then we find him at the Blue Fox in San Francisco at a restaurant with Hal Abercromnie and Hal's wife, during which dinner the kenyan behaved very very badly, but he had money now, didn't he? Enough to bring his younger brother over from Kenya and install him in a private high school in Cambridge, after a three month tour of the mainland.

Oh yee of little imagination! There was an article on a kenyan website years ago...which told of an interview with a resident of Kogele village during which the comment was made that the kenyan student worked for an oil company in Hawaii and while he was there, he married a white woman whose name was ANNA TOOT.

And everyone assumed that referred to Stanley Ann Dunham and her mother. That Stanley Ann was known as Anna and Ann, (cause it says so in that book) and Toot was a Hawaiian name for grandmother.

It was nothing of the sort. The kenyan wrote home alright, he wrote to his father who was the only one in the village who could read. And he told him THIS:

I've married a white woman in Hawaii and her name is ANNIE TUTU. That's Hawaiian alright. It's what they call an elder sister or auntie. We had a freeper on our team who described how when she went to Hawaii herself, the locals insisted on calling her ANNIE TUTU and she didn't know what they meant.

We want her surname of course. And I have an idea where it might be...it will be on the BC for the boy who was born in January.

I'm in need of a break.

[Fred Nerks]

FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS. HIS OPERATED THE ORGANIZATION KNOWN AS:

THE PROTECTION OF THE FOREIGN BORN

[Fred Nerks]

SHE WASN’T AN ANTHROPOLOGIST, she would have been a high school graduate if she didn’t drop out and become a Nanny, that is. They don’t make anthropologists in High School.

[little jeremiah]

FMD must have been doing his work for someone. Someone must have been the arranger of all this. And paying bills, of course.

I’m sure they all knew who zero’s father was, at least.

[Fred Nerks]

ELIZABETH MOONEY KIRK WIKI