Posted on 11/06/2012 8:42:40 AM PST by Seizethecarp
Once the Gilbert-myth was looked at, it unravelled immediately. Actually his lies were pretty crude. Only the gullible or those invested in the lie could have believed it.
Interesing; I remember that fuzziness but didn’t put two and two together. Or maybe I was wondering...
Google ain’t our friend.
Just catching up on this page of the discussion - where was 0bama when he naturalized in 1983.
Was he still at Occidental at that time? Or was he already in NYC? If he was in NYC, (which now I am thinking he likely was), then perhaps Ayers wanted him to naturalize so he could run for President?
Have you read Race Bannon’s account of meeting a tall skinny mulatto fellow with big ears in Hawaii in 1980 who told him he was planning to be president, had been raised in Indonesia, and was born in Kenya? It’s bee posted many times but I don’t know if you’ve seen it.
(Courtesy ping to R.B.)
I am inclined to agree with you on all of the above! Despite a shared dental feature, the noses, in particular, simply don’t match. The model’s is concave and up-turned and SAD’s is convex and a bit pudgy, at least in the picture at the zoo with little Barry.
None-the-less, FMD had the means, motive and opportunity to have impregnated SAD and to have recruited BHO Sr. as a cover black sperm donor. I say that only a pure speculation with no 1960 evidentiary support.
For whatever it is worth, young Barry’s claimed poetry and claimed interactions in Ayer’s co-written “Dreams” (a totally suspect book) show a disturbing level of intimacy of a pervert-father, victim-son relationship, IMO.
Considering that FMD and BHO Sr. were committed anti-colonial Communists the Dreams from either father were about the same with FMD appearing to have had a much more profound effect on Barry and wired him into the Chicago Marxist Mafia...including Ayers and Ayers parents, who funded part of Barry’s education.
I note that Barry was NOT wired into genuine Islamist anti-Americans in Chicaqo, as might have been expected had Barry any connection to Malcolm X who had dumped NOI for Wahhabism, but it was to the the secular DSA Chicago Marxists and Bill Ayers that he was enmeshed.
Oops - meant to courtesy ping you, forgot to add your name. To my comment above.
Also just thought - if he was planning as early as 1980 to run for President (no doubt the idea from others put there), why did he not re-capture his US citizenship when he was legally able to?
Could he have not know that he needed to? Maybe the notice sent to him from the State Dept didn’t reach him?
That’s odd.
None-the-less, FMD had the means, motive and opportunity to have impregnated SAD and to have recruited BHO Sr. as a cover black sperm donor. I say that only a pure speculation with no 1960 evidentiary support.
Now what you have to do is explain why no one remembers Stanley Ann Dunham in Hawaii in 1960/61 with the kenyan student, even Neil Abercrombie, who says he saw them together on social occasions, and calls her ANN, might have seen him with the ANNE/USA who is photographed sitting beside him at the Nachannofs, and that's definitely not Stanley Ann Dunham, but Mary, not being prepared, said she babysat IN JANUARY 1961.
Neil Abercrombie says, I was here when that child was born applies equally to the child of ANN who later shows up as ANNA in Seattle, the darker boy of the two, whose name you see on the HAWAII BIRTH INDEX FOR 1960-1964.
The address for ANN S OBAMA in the Hawaii Polk, same address as the Dunhams apparently shared with the Pratt family, for whom Stanley Armour worked...we cannot know who that person was, or IF she actually lived there at all.
The Pratt daughter doesn't remember a young woman with a baby at the address. And she was careful not to say 'I don't remember the Dunham's had a daughter' - So the girl whose name appears in the Hawaii Polk as Ann S Obama Student, might also have been the student enrolled at the U of HI for Fall 1960.
You have no way of knowing for certain that the enrollment information from the U of HI for Fall 1960 and then from Spring 1963 IS FOR THE SAME PERSON. There's no sign of a baby with the Dunhams, but goodness gracious me, suddenly there he is, aged about two and a half and he's sitting on the fence at the zoo and she's there, and it's 1963. Snapshots like that do tell a story.
WHERE WAS HE BEFORE HE SHOWED UP IN 1963?
The FMD-father story falls down if you can't place Stanley Ann Dunham in Hawaii. She showed up with a very young baby at the home of Susan Botkin ( Blake) unable to change a diaper...because the child wasn't hers imo and then she took off and Susan never saw her again.
And that interview was before ANNA OBAMA was found listed in the Polk in Seattle...which opened an entirely unexpected can or worms...and they hurriedly turned her into Stanley Ann Dunham. But Mary goofed because she wasn't prepped, she said she babysat for ANNA in JANUARY 1961.
But there's a photograph taken from the back of a woman holding a little boy at a meeting of the NOI that appeared in April 1962, in Muhammad Speaks, the publication distributed by Malcolm X that looks an awful lot like Stanley-Nanny and the little zero...but we can't know when that photograph was taken, can we? The issue has been removed from the web archive, but I do have a copy...
FMD, being active in an organization known as THE PROTECTION OF THE FOREIGN BORN which was set up to prevents illegals being deported from Hawaii, would have been the perfect choice for any fake paperwork you might need, fake newspaper announcements would have been right up his ally...he was a credited journalist, who was credited with preventing the communist Harry Bridges from being deported from Hawaii. I see him as far more useful in what it took for supplying a false ID, than being a 'sperm donor' as you so indelicately put it. An ugly old man, 35 years older than the high school girl he's rumoured to have seduced, would be a total waste of his usefulness and talent.
The problem you and I have, is that you throw it all in together without any focus other than what you want to see, and it becomes too confusing - it's all forest and no trees.
As I see it, the only time the kenyan claims that the name of his wife is DUNHAM is after he scratched out the name of 'wife' on his application for an extension to remain in the US, and then wrote ANN S DUNHAM.
I'll post it when I find it. One thing at time.
FOIA INS docs and U of HI docs and administrators confirm:
1. SAD in Russian class in fall of 1960 and dropped out in Jan 1961.
2. BHO chasing co-eds and impregnating (got “hapa”) one which he married in February of 1961
3. The pregnant co-ed is living with her parents and she intends to go to college in Washington in the Fall of 1961.
4. BHO names his wife as Ann S. Dunham...which confirms the name structure of “Ann S. (last name either Dunham or Obama) as shown in both the HI and WA Polks.
Mary Toutonghi prefaced her remarks made 50 year after the fact about how old her own child was when she babysat Barry by saying something like “my memory may not be correct.”
Her 50-year-old account is not sufficient to give any credence to an alternate Anne Obama (the Asian woman at a party without a single documentary link to BHO Sr.) and Toutonghi’s poor memory does not undermine in any way the corroborating documentary evidence from U Wash, transcripts that SADO was there...transcripts that pick up SADO’s credits from U of HI...all consistent with FOIA INS docs.
Abercrombie? A man with zero credibility.
All this was hashed out in the Mal-Val thread detailing how you attempt to weave these seemingly remote, implausible, incoherent details into a claim that Malcolm X is Barry’s dad and Valerie Sarruf is his mom. IMO, FReepers can decide which narrative makes sense. I’m still going with Stanley Ann as Barry’s mom based on contemporaneous corroborated documentary evidence in multiple US government and university archives.
You haven’t read or comprehended a word I wrote.
Just like the birth certificate is documentary evidence, right? And you have no idea who the transcript credits from the U of HI really belong to; but I've wasted enough of my time on you.
None so blind as those who do not want to see.
That’s why a thirst for bare naked truth is the most important treasure in the universe. And it takes humility to possess it, that is why it is so rare.
Gotta admit that “Gosh, I don’t know everything!”. And even harder - “Wow, I was wrong!”
Well, like someone who shall remain nameless wrote to me on a thread, IT’S MY COUNTRY!
In other words. I’m a foreigner and my opinion and input isn’t welcome. Who wants to admit they might have missed something that was staring an Aussie in the face? Your POTUS is an unidentified person, and no one can know for certain who his parents were...but for some reason his daughters look like the peas in the pod that grew on the Shabazz bush. I’ll send you an image by Mail.
My posting history demonstrates that I have repeatedly pointed out that Barry's White House pdf LFBC image has NEVER been “legally produced” in evidence in any legal proceeding. Also at the presser when the LFBC was introduced, in response to a reporter who said that it would provide confidence to skeptics if Barry would be holding the original, Barry's lawyer explicitly said that Barry would NOT be holding the original at any time! Obviously that is because Barry must never be physically in possession of the forgery!
Plus, I, as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA, concur with Sheriff Arpaio’s conclusion that the LFBC is a forgery.
So NO, the forged BC is nothing like the FOIA INS docs or the HI and WA university transcripts, or the Polk records or the newspaper announcements with the address of SAD’s parents, all of which corroborate each other.
So that's why you are stuck in the rut of FMD has to be the father, there's really no other way out for you. There's no room in your tiny mind for the possibility that ANNA OBAMA was the wife from whom the kenyan was seperated who was living in the Philippines.
Link please.
I have NEVER concluded or claimed that FMD “has to be the father.” Don't bother to search my posting history because I have NEVER made that claim.
In my posting history, especially in the Mal-Val thread, a thread where you were invited to post any evidence, especially contemporaneous documentary evidence in support of the Mal-Val narrative, I have repeatedly stated that I regard the strong resemblance between Barry and his claimed half-brother, David, to be a solid indicator that they are in fact brothers. The resemblance is so strong that you have persisted in claiming that claimed pictures of David are pictures of Barry! You have done this even though ALL evidence corroborates that the David picture you love to post with his brother, Mark, was taken circa 1970 when Barry was nine years old.
Being a trained forensic investigator, I scrupulously try to avoid overstating evidence, something that I recommend that you adopt regarding your totally unfounded assertions regarding an alleged Anne Obama who is supposedly Asian and NOT Stanley Ann. There is not a shred of evidence that such a person exists. There was an Asian woman named as Anne who happened to be in a picture with BHO Sr. that is all you have.
Which gets back to your perpetual ulterior motive of needing to disprove Stanley Ann as Barry's mom before you can advance your incoherent narrative claiming that Valerie Sarruf is Barry's mom...and, of course, that Malcolm X was his dad. Your analysis is obviously driven by the a priori conclusion that this must be so, and so you have embarked on a scorched earth effort to attack any evidence that Stanley Ann IS Barry's mom or that either BHO Sr. or FMD is the dad.
Again, if you actually have any EVIDENCE to support your Mal-Val narrative, how about starting a new thread or posting it on the Mal-Val thread?
IMHO your input should be valued even more due to the fact that your massive efforts and time have been spent on finding the truth about the unidentified usurper even though you are not an American. Basically going above and beyond the call of duty.
To accuse you like that is boorish and despicable, maybe envious as well.
And I am sure that the vast majority of people no FR do NOT feel that way at all. I would be surprised if any do actually, other than those who don’t want the truth to be discovered.
“The wife in the Philippines from whom he is separated...”
I would prefer, neither as neither are "natural born Citizens" (Assuming those kids have Egyptian citizenship as well).
The starting point is meeting the Constitutional requirements.
From there, it's ferrating out the candidates idiology/political philosophies.
As an ‘interested observer’ can I offer a few things?
a) There are points of agreement.
1) The verifiable evidence of Obama senior being the real father are lacking. He never acknowledges any child outside his own Kenya child(ren) until 1964 in what appears to be a last ditch effort to avoid deportation.
2) The verifiable evidence of SAD being the mother is lacking. The offered ‘proof’ (COLB and LFBC) are known frauds. There is almost no other solid evidence. The marked out passport page is the next best thing and it is shakey as it is not sure what she was doing. I will even offer that this may have been inserted into the records as a mis-direction action. The immigration record for SAD for October 21, 1971 does not show a child traveling with her and basically shows that she did not travel between the US and Indonesian in between the expiration of her old passport in 1970 and when she entered the country on that expired passport in October of 1971. This basically shows she was not regular travelling back and forth during that timeframe. Photos with her and Obama II/Barry are rare and many seem to be creations of digital manipulation as FN has shown. So the evidence of SAD as mother is shaky, very shaky.
I would hope these are ‘points of agreement’.
b) There are, to this day, critical missing pieces that would help resolve some of the known gaps.
1) The relationship of an apparent USC woman with Filipino ancestry and connections. She is referenced in the McKeon memo specifically. There are apparently authentic photographs of her at the Nachmanoffs. The suspect ‘dock’ photo shows two Filipino women. Doctored or not, why are there 2 Filipino heritage women in that photo? Who is this woman? Anna Obama? If so, what was her maiden name before becoming Mrs. Obama? Why did she travel to the Philipines if McKeons memo is authentic (and it should be viewed with some level of suspicion as all FOIA material should be). But if it is authentic, does anyone believe this is a reference to SAD? There is no known connection of SAD to the Philippines so this would seem that Obama senior was either a serial marrying man OR the he created havoc with single women and his ‘playboy ways’ and only used the results to help keep him in the country. In any case - who is this mystery Filipino woman? It is a question that remains unanswered.
b) When did Obama II/Barry return (assuming he did leave) to Hawaii from Indonesia? As noted above there is no sign that he returned with SAD in October of 1971 in the immigation record for her from that trip. If FOIA were manipulated this would have been the perfect opportunity to ‘insert’ even if he did not. But there is no evidence he was with her based on FOIA records. Panahou says he was in class the first day in the fall of 1971. Scott Inhoue’s apparently authentic photo is apparently from Christmas time in 1969. When did he return? If he did and did without parent or a guardian or any adult accompanying him how does that happen? There were NO direct flights from Jakata to Honolulu. He would have had to make at least one stop, and probably at least 2. This not unlike the story recounted in his own book. But how does a 10 year child travel via a multi-stop international flight in 1971 without an adult?
c) What was Obama senior’s role in December of 1971 during the Grand Reunion? As the legal father (ignoring DNA) it would appear he was needed for something. He stayed at the same address as the Dunhams and supposedly his trip was ‘paid for’. The picture in the airport seems authentic. What was his role?
The forest is confusing. These trees a) the true identity of the Filipino woman and b) the logistics of ‘return from Indonesia’ have never been answered. Without them the curve that fits the equation is mostly speculation. We remain with a fabricated story that anyone who has looked this knows is just that - a fabrication.
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