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To: Fred Nerks
“So that's why you are stuck in the rut of FMD has to be the father, there's really no other way out for you.”

Link please.

I have NEVER concluded or claimed that FMD “has to be the father.” Don't bother to search my posting history because I have NEVER made that claim.

In my posting history, especially in the Mal-Val thread, a thread where you were invited to post any evidence, especially contemporaneous documentary evidence in support of the Mal-Val narrative, I have repeatedly stated that I regard the strong resemblance between Barry and his claimed half-brother, David, to be a solid indicator that they are in fact brothers. The resemblance is so strong that you have persisted in claiming that claimed pictures of David are pictures of Barry! You have done this even though ALL evidence corroborates that the David picture you love to post with his brother, Mark, was taken circa 1970 when Barry was nine years old.

Being a trained forensic investigator, I scrupulously try to avoid overstating evidence, something that I recommend that you adopt regarding your totally unfounded assertions regarding an alleged Anne Obama who is supposedly Asian and NOT Stanley Ann. There is not a shred of evidence that such a person exists. There was an Asian woman named as Anne who happened to be in a picture with BHO Sr. that is all you have.

Which gets back to your perpetual ulterior motive of needing to disprove Stanley Ann as Barry's mom before you can advance your incoherent narrative claiming that Valerie Sarruf is Barry's mom...and, of course, that Malcolm X was his dad. Your analysis is obviously driven by the a priori conclusion that this must be so, and so you have embarked on a scorched earth effort to attack any evidence that Stanley Ann IS Barry's mom or that either BHO Sr. or FMD is the dad.

Again, if you actually have any EVIDENCE to support your Mal-Val narrative, how about starting a new thread or posting it on the Mal-Val thread?

216 posted on 12/17/2012 8:02:37 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp; Fred Nerks; little jeremiah

As an ‘interested observer’ can I offer a few things?

a) There are points of agreement.

1) The verifiable evidence of Obama senior being the real father are lacking. He never acknowledges any child outside his own Kenya child(ren) until 1964 in what appears to be a last ditch effort to avoid deportation.

2) The verifiable evidence of SAD being the mother is lacking. The offered ‘proof’ (COLB and LFBC) are known frauds. There is almost no other solid evidence. The marked out passport page is the next best thing and it is shakey as it is not sure what she was doing. I will even offer that this may have been inserted into the records as a mis-direction action. The immigration record for SAD for October 21, 1971 does not show a child traveling with her and basically shows that she did not travel between the US and Indonesian in between the expiration of her old passport in 1970 and when she entered the country on that expired passport in October of 1971. This basically shows she was not regular travelling back and forth during that timeframe. Photos with her and Obama II/Barry are rare and many seem to be creations of digital manipulation as FN has shown. So the evidence of SAD as mother is shaky, very shaky.

I would hope these are ‘points of agreement’.

b) There are, to this day, critical missing pieces that would help resolve some of the known gaps.

1) The relationship of an apparent USC woman with Filipino ancestry and connections. She is referenced in the McKeon memo specifically. There are apparently authentic photographs of her at the Nachmanoffs. The suspect ‘dock’ photo shows two Filipino women. Doctored or not, why are there 2 Filipino heritage women in that photo? Who is this woman? Anna Obama? If so, what was her maiden name before becoming Mrs. Obama? Why did she travel to the Philipines if McKeons memo is authentic (and it should be viewed with some level of suspicion as all FOIA material should be). But if it is authentic, does anyone believe this is a reference to SAD? There is no known connection of SAD to the Philippines so this would seem that Obama senior was either a serial marrying man OR the he created havoc with single women and his ‘playboy ways’ and only used the results to help keep him in the country. In any case - who is this mystery Filipino woman? It is a question that remains unanswered.

b) When did Obama II/Barry return (assuming he did leave) to Hawaii from Indonesia? As noted above there is no sign that he returned with SAD in October of 1971 in the immigation record for her from that trip. If FOIA were manipulated this would have been the perfect opportunity to ‘insert’ even if he did not. But there is no evidence he was with her based on FOIA records. Panahou says he was in class the first day in the fall of 1971. Scott Inhoue’s apparently authentic photo is apparently from Christmas time in 1969. When did he return? If he did and did without parent or a guardian or any adult accompanying him how does that happen? There were NO direct flights from Jakata to Honolulu. He would have had to make at least one stop, and probably at least 2. This not unlike the story recounted in his own book. But how does a 10 year child travel via a multi-stop international flight in 1971 without an adult?

c) What was Obama senior’s role in December of 1971 during the Grand Reunion? As the legal father (ignoring DNA) it would appear he was needed for something. He stayed at the same address as the Dunhams and supposedly his trip was ‘paid for’. The picture in the airport seems authentic. What was his role?

The forest is confusing. These trees a) the true identity of the Filipino woman and b) the logistics of ‘return from Indonesia’ have never been answered. Without them the curve that fits the equation is mostly speculation. We remain with a fabricated story that anyone who has looked this knows is just that - a fabrication.


220 posted on 12/17/2012 11:10:08 AM PST by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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