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To: Seizethecarp
Well, well well...look who showed up with a complete change of tone, it's a minor miracle! Let me deal with your points one at a time:

None-the-less, FMD had the means, motive and opportunity to have impregnated SAD and to have recruited BHO Sr. as a cover black sperm donor. I say that only a pure speculation with no 1960 evidentiary support.

Now what you have to do is explain why no one remembers Stanley Ann Dunham in Hawaii in 1960/61 with the kenyan student, even Neil Abercrombie, who says he saw them together on social occasions, and calls her ANN, might have seen him with the ANNE/USA who is photographed sitting beside him at the Nachannofs, and that's definitely not Stanley Ann Dunham, but Mary, not being prepared, said she babysat IN JANUARY 1961.

Neil Abercrombie says, I was here when that child was born applies equally to the child of ANN who later shows up as ANNA in Seattle, the darker boy of the two, whose name you see on the HAWAII BIRTH INDEX FOR 1960-1964.

The address for ANN S OBAMA in the Hawaii Polk, same address as the Dunhams apparently shared with the Pratt family, for whom Stanley Armour worked...we cannot know who that person was, or IF she actually lived there at all.

The Pratt daughter doesn't remember a young woman with a baby at the address. And she was careful not to say 'I don't remember the Dunham's had a daughter' - So the girl whose name appears in the Hawaii Polk as Ann S Obama Student, might also have been the student enrolled at the U of HI for Fall 1960.

You have no way of knowing for certain that the enrollment information from the U of HI for Fall 1960 and then from Spring 1963 IS FOR THE SAME PERSON. There's no sign of a baby with the Dunhams, but goodness gracious me, suddenly there he is, aged about two and a half and he's sitting on the fence at the zoo and she's there, and it's 1963. Snapshots like that do tell a story.

WHERE WAS HE BEFORE HE SHOWED UP IN 1963?

The FMD-father story falls down if you can't place Stanley Ann Dunham in Hawaii. She showed up with a very young baby at the home of Susan Botkin ( Blake) unable to change a diaper...because the child wasn't hers imo and then she took off and Susan never saw her again.

And that interview was before ANNA OBAMA was found listed in the Polk in Seattle...which opened an entirely unexpected can or worms...and they hurriedly turned her into Stanley Ann Dunham. But Mary goofed because she wasn't prepped, she said she babysat for ANNA in JANUARY 1961.

But there's a photograph taken from the back of a woman holding a little boy at a meeting of the NOI that appeared in April 1962, in Muhammad Speaks, the publication distributed by Malcolm X that looks an awful lot like Stanley-Nanny and the little zero...but we can't know when that photograph was taken, can we? The issue has been removed from the web archive, but I do have a copy...

FMD, being active in an organization known as THE PROTECTION OF THE FOREIGN BORN which was set up to prevents illegals being deported from Hawaii, would have been the perfect choice for any fake paperwork you might need, fake newspaper announcements would have been right up his ally...he was a credited journalist, who was credited with preventing the communist Harry Bridges from being deported from Hawaii. I see him as far more useful in what it took for supplying a false ID, than being a 'sperm donor' as you so indelicately put it. An ugly old man, 35 years older than the high school girl he's rumoured to have seduced, would be a total waste of his usefulness and talent.

The problem you and I have, is that you throw it all in together without any focus other than what you want to see, and it becomes too confusing - it's all forest and no trees.

As I see it, the only time the kenyan claims that the name of his wife is DUNHAM is after he scratched out the name of 'wife' on his application for an extension to remain in the US, and then wrote ANN S DUNHAM.

I'll post it when I find it. One thing at time.

206 posted on 12/16/2012 7:22:36 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair Dinkum!)
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207 posted on 12/16/2012 7:52:52 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

FOIA INS docs and U of HI docs and administrators confirm:

1. SAD in Russian class in fall of 1960 and dropped out in Jan 1961.
2. BHO chasing co-eds and impregnating (got “hapa”) one which he married in February of 1961
3. The pregnant co-ed is living with her parents and she intends to go to college in Washington in the Fall of 1961.
4. BHO names his wife as Ann S. Dunham...which confirms the name structure of “Ann S. (last name either Dunham or Obama) as shown in both the HI and WA Polks.

Mary Toutonghi prefaced her remarks made 50 year after the fact about how old her own child was when she babysat Barry by saying something like “my memory may not be correct.”

Her 50-year-old account is not sufficient to give any credence to an alternate Anne Obama (the Asian woman at a party without a single documentary link to BHO Sr.) and Toutonghi’s poor memory does not undermine in any way the corroborating documentary evidence from U Wash, transcripts that SADO was there...transcripts that pick up SADO’s credits from U of HI...all consistent with FOIA INS docs.

Abercrombie? A man with zero credibility.

All this was hashed out in the Mal-Val thread detailing how you attempt to weave these seemingly remote, implausible, incoherent details into a claim that Malcolm X is Barry’s dad and Valerie Sarruf is his mom. IMO, FReepers can decide which narrative makes sense. I’m still going with Stanley Ann as Barry’s mom based on contemporaneous corroborated documentary evidence in multiple US government and university archives.


208 posted on 12/16/2012 9:13:00 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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