Posted on 09/21/2012 7:45:43 AM PDT by butterdezillion
What KS SOS Kris Kobach asked to be verified was the same thing that the Mississippi Democratic Executive Committee asked to be verified, with the additional verification that the file number on the White House BC be verified.
Mr. Kobach had received a letter from Attorney Larry Klayman on Sept 7th, pointing out that Onaka had confirmed that the HI birth record for Obama is non-valid. And Kobach’s request – like MDEC’s – was specifically designed to allow Onaka to verify what was asked, EVEN WITH A NON-VALID BIRTH RECORD.
IOW, there is NOTHING to contradict Onaka’s earlier confirmation to AZ SOS Ken Bennett that the HI record for Barack Obama is legally non-valid – and SOS Kobach knows that full well.
Thanks bitt.
(A) a letter from Ryan Kriegshauser to Onaka, dated Sept 14
(B) Certificate of Live Birth dated Apr 25 2011, presumably from the WH website
(C) an email dated Friday Sept 14 from Nagamine to Kriegshauser which has attached a "Verification of Birth" issued by Onaka also dated Sept 14
Item C is a response to a request for verification.
Is the request the letter in Item A?
Item A, a request from Kansas deputy assistant SOS to Hawaii DOH Registrar, "The information contained in the 'Certificate of Live Birth' published at the [Whitehouse website] and reviewed by you on the date of your verification..."
"reviewed by you on the date of your verification"? Does Kriegshauser already have Onaka's verification at this point? Or is this a poorly worded sentence from Mr. K?
Notice in Item C, "The original is being sent to you via express mail from Honolulu today in the prepaid envelope that you provided..."
So is Item C the originating request? Could a letter including a prepaid envelope be sent from Topeka Kansas and arrive in Honolulu on the same day?
I think there are other communications between Kansas SOS and Hawaii DOH.
Perhaps I’ve become overly sensitized from long exposure to the machinations of these people, I’m not certain we have the full picture though.
What I am certain of is that Kobach has ignored Klayman’s advice and deserves to be served with an arrest warrant.
So is Item C the originating request?
So is Item A the originating request?
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The only way that could work is if they wired money to them for a pre-paid envelope or had somebody in Hawaii deliver a pre-paid envelope in person to the HDOH office.
The only way Hawaii could have gotten that letter on Sept 14th so that a verification was completed on Sept 14th, scanned, and the scan sent back to the SOS via e-mail is if the request letter was faxed to Hawaii. But the HDOH website itself says that letters of verification are to be requested the same way as certified copies - and requests are not allowed by e-mail, telephone, or fax. The roadblocks that Hawaii has put into place to try to stop us pesky haoles from getting answers - requiring everything to be done by snail mail, which they then ignore unless you tell them you’ve got proof of delivery - comes back to bite them all in the butt. The HDOH violated its own rules by allowing KS to request a letter of verification via e-mail or fax.
But all that aside, what was verified in no way clarifies whether the birth certificate is legally valid and thus says nothing about what Obama’s true birth facts are. The verification to Ken Bennett - confirming that Obama’s HI BC is legally non-valid - remains uncontradicted by anything put out by the HDOH.
There is nobody in this country who can lawfully certify Obama as eligible since he has no legally-determined birth facts, no legally valid birth record. Every SOS who allows Obama on the ballot by accepting a known-perjurious Certification of Nomination from the DNC is committing election fraud.
That is the point that needs to be brought home in vivid color. Orly Taitz means well, and the arguments about the other records being forgeries are all well-taken, but ultimately what matters is whether Obama was born in Hawaii on Aug 4, 1961 to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama. If Hawaii had verified that those facts were true, SOS’s could claim that the evidence of forgery wasn’t enough to counter the presumption of regularity regarding the verification. But Onaka has actually confirmed that the birth record is not legally valid. So at this point the LEGAL PRESUMPTION has to be that Obama is not eligible. It is no longer up to any of us to prove that Obama isn’t eligible; Onaka has already done that.
Our job now is to make sure that what Onaka verified to Ken Bennett actually makes a difference - by letting our SOS’s know that we will be filing criminal reports on them for known election fraud and misprision of perjury if they allow Obama on the ballot.
We need to focus with laser-like precision on the real issue: Obama has no legally valid birth record, the people who swore that he was eligible thus perjured themselves, and any SOS who accepts a perjurious Certification of Nomination is him/herself guilty of election fraud - having been notified of these facts in a certified mail letter from Attorney Larry Klayman.
Yes. Thank you. I pray for you, your efforts, and your well-being every night.
Is there no end to this madness?
Thank you. I can use all the prayers I can get.
Could you put in a prayer for our vehicles too? We’ve got 4 vehicles and only one is actually safe to drive at this point - spread out between my husband’s needs as a pastor, my needs having 2 part-time jobs, my kids’ need to get to school and back while I am working, and my daughter’s needs at college in another city. We’ve probably spent in excess of $10,000 on vehicle repairs in the last 2 years and still have 3 out of the 4 basically unusable at this point.
The Lord provides. Sometimes He stretches our faith quite a ways before making His providence known though...
I just noticed something else. The SOS’s office requested verification that the information contained in the WH BE is IDENTICAL to the information contained in the original BC on file.
The language in the verification statement that was received back is identical to the request - except that the word “matches” is used instead of “is identical to”. A deliberate word change, and I’m sure there is a reason for it.
Prayers sent for your vehicle problem. I wonder what form the answer will take?
Thanks for the ping!
Clue me in or straighten my thinking out. Kobach sends a fraudulent copy of a birth certificate to Onaka. Onaka is given the opportunity to adjust/change Obama’s birth records to correspond to what Kobach sent to him. Onaka can now under cloak of secrecy gin up some document that matches what Kobach sent to him. Vole, Onaka now has a document that matches what Kobach sent/inquired about and can report such to Kobach. A wonderful game of political skulduggery to fool the public. Both persons need to be put on the list of memorable enablers for whatever the future can bring.
Good catch.
Of course it means something. Nothing can be taken for granted with these liars. Matches is not identical. Identical is all inclusive, matches is subsets.
Notice also:
On the letter to Bennett, Onaka's signature stamp is initialed by gk.
On the letter to Kobach it's initialed BP.
He works closely with Russell Pearce and Sherrif Joe Arpaio. I trust Kobach's legal expertise and judgment.
That would be possible, but it looks to me like Onaka has done a very courageous thing instead: he told the truth. When AZ SOS Ken Bennett sent in the standard application form to request a verification under HRS 338-14.3, Onaka verified that they have a birth certificate for Obama which claims a Hawaii birth and he verified that the claims that are on the White House BC are on the record they have. He would NOT verify any true facts of birth. The only legal reason for him to fail to verify those facts of birth if what was submitted for verification matched what was on the record... is if the record they have is not legally valid - since by verifying the facts he is certifying that as being how the birth actually happened. A non-valid BC has no legal evidentiary value; it is an unsubstantiated rumor, and the State of Hawaii can not certify that the event really happened that way.
He was also requested to verify that the WH image is a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file” and would not verify that - instead illegally verifying something he was not requested to verify: that the information contained in the WH image matches the original record.
The Mississippi Democratic Executive Committee saw that verification and realized what every lawyer would realize: that Onaka had just confirmed that the record they have is not legally valid. But there were questions (from Mike Zullo of the Cold Case Posse, among others) about why Onaka had distanced himself from the AZ verification by having somebody else’s initials next to his signature stamp and be failing to verify the birth date.
So the MDEC lawyers tried to perpetuate the media’s false reports that Onaka had actually verified the FACTS, by requesting a verification that Onaka would have no problems attaching his name to - a verification that Onaka could make, even for a non-valid record: he requested verification that they have a BC and that the “information” (claims) on the WH (forgery) “match” the “information” (claims) on the original (non-valid) record.
Kobach was told about all this so when pressed to get documentation he did the SAME THING that MDEC did: he asked for verification that could be done even for a non-valid record.
His request added verification that the BC# on the file is 151-61-10641 (which also says nothing about the legal validity of the record). It can be claimed that they have a record with that BC# (even though that number could not have been on Obama’s BC in 1961) because HRS 338-17.7 authorizes the HDOH to create a new BC (with a new BC#) that says whatever law enforcement says it should say - supposedly for the protection of the registrant (Obama). That’s why they had to try to associate the Tea Party and “birthers” with violent extremism - so the FBI could claim that Obama’s life was in danger if the HDOH didn’t create a new BC that had Stig Waidelich’s BC# and claims of a Kapiolani birth, etc.
(I had originally thought Eric Holder requested this directly, but there are indications that it may have been the FBI instead. It’s still Holder; he’s just using somebody else as the fall guys like he did with Fast & Furious. Coward.)
But the wording Kobach gave was a little different than the MDEC wording. He asked for verification that the WH BC’s information was “identical to” the information in the original record. And Onaka would not verify that. Instead he verified that it “matched”. I don’t know what mental parsing Onaka did to be able to justify the use of “matches” but not the use of “identical to”. It was enough difference to Onaka that somebody else’s initials were next to Onaka’s signature stamp, again, and there was no raised seal on the document. I suspect the word “matches” might mean that if there was a claim on the WH BC there was the same claim on the original, whereas “identical” would also mean that if there was NO claim on the WH BC there was also no claim on the original. That would make a difference regarding the last item on the BC - the one noting evidence submitted for late filings and/or amendments.
But neither one would end up verifying any legal birth facts because the record has already been confirmed as legally non-valid. Probably Onaka doesn’t want to associate his name with a verification that was not clearly legally-accurate.
What Onaka verified to Kobach, then, is that they have a record for Obama and its file number is 151-61-10641 - and that the information in the WH BC is NOT “identical to” the information in the record on file
I believe Onaka is being legally precise. And that’s why the people who simply want to cover their a$$es and not actually find out the truth have to phrase their requests to accommodate the non-valid record. Kobach biffed it by using the words “identical to” so he didn’t get a verification with Onaka’s initials and a raised seal.
Given his legal degree, when Kobach looks at the request he made and the response he got, he has to say that Onaka did NOT verify that the information is identical. So he has absolutely NO basis to believe that the verification he received supports Obama’s eligibility in any way, shape, or form.
Seems like Onaka is holding firm. It’s the chicken SOS’s and the complicit media who are misrepresenting what Onaka is actually verifying - even after a lawyer has pointed it out to them in a certified letter.
We already have proof that the emperor is naked. Now the issue is how we get that to make any difference - how we get anybody with power to hear and act on the little kid saying what everybody but the knaves can see clearly with their own eyes. If we can’t do this on something this important, then our government is totally shielded from reality by its own corruption and by a treasonous, totally politicized media, including the “conservative” media.
In this instance he’s dead wrong. And he knows it. I say that not only because he was informed of that fact by Attorney Larry Klayman on Sept 7th, but because he referenced the Arizona and MDEC verifications which prove Klayman’s points AND the verification he requested was designed to work with even a non-valid BC. In the end he did NOT receive verification that the information in the WH BC is “identical to” the information in the original record. Yet he is acting as if he did. There is no legal cover for him on this, AT ALL.
I’ve got nothing against the guy. Sounds like he’s been doing some good things. But in this instance he is committing election fraud - a fact which he has been notified of and is totally blowing off. And that’s just plain wrong.
Or more informative:
“information” (claims) on the WH (forgery) “is not identical” to the “information” (claims) on the original (non-valid) record.
Somethings missing or changed like the big ole red stamp that says this record is invalid.
Onaka does not adjust or change records to correspond to what Kobach sent.
The issue is that Kobach has only part of the complete record. The complete record would show that the BC was late or was amended.
“Matching” or “verifying” is meaningless.
To illustrate:
(-) I have a sheet of paper listing 10 items
(-) You have a sheet of paper listing 5 items
(-) You ask me to certify that your sheet of paper is a “true and correct” copy of my sheet of paper
(-) I decline, but offer instead to verify that what is on your sheet of paper matches mine. You accept.
(-) I inspect your sheet of paper and all 5 items are on my sheet of paper, so I “verify” to you that “The information contained on your sheet of paper (the ‘Certificate of Live Birth’ published at the [Whitehouse website]) and reviewed by me matches the information contained on my original sheet of paper [the COLB on file with HI DOH]”
(-) What of the additional information on my sheet of paper??????
The information being concealed shows that the complete BC on file with HI DOH was late or amended.
I don't want to see Kris Kobach demonized over this. I know him and have worked with him. He is a conservative through and through and has shown amazing courage and tenacity in fighting illegal immigration. How many other SOSs have even tried to verify Obama's BC besides Bennett?
I have been following your good works on this issue, which I can only describe as being heroic. The problem goes far beyond the SOSs and Onaka. The Arpaio investigation should have triggered a Congressional investigation. The MSM has been covering up information on Obama and failed to properly vet him. The Judiciary has been derelict by blocking legal challenges, mostly on dubious legal technicalities like standing. The very institutions responsible for protecting our Constitution have been AWOL or complicit in the cover-up.
There is a huge segment of the American public that knows something is terribly wrong. The fact that Trump could use public pressure to force Obama to produce his phony long form BC--something the MSM said didn't exist-- is evidence that it would take just a small group of influential public figures to galvanize the public on the issue.
Why isn't it being done? I believe that the political and media elites think that such a disclosure would shake this very Republic to its foundations and possibly result in riots and civil unrest. The fact that the poseur just happens to be our first black President would make the revelation just that much more divisive. It would be seen as being racially motivated and no doubt, there would be plenty of Dems, white and black, who would portray it that way. And then there are the legal issues involving the legitimacy of anything that Obama has signed during his time in office. The court cases would stretch from here to the moon and beyond.
The Dems and the MSM have been very effective in branding anyone who questions Obama's eligibility as "birthers." That label is almost as damaging as calling someone a "denier" who doesn't believe the Hollocaust ever happened [or that Global Warming isn't caused by man.] Even Romney's small dig about his birth certificate resulted in an immediate kerfluffle that resulted in Romney having to say that he believes Obama was born in the US. During this run up to November no politician wants to touch this issue. That is just a sad fact.
Could the reason that Onaka used the word “matched” rather than “identical” be traced to the electronically forged BC released by the WH. Hawaii never issued such a document either in that format or otherwise. It simply doesn’t exist. As Arpaio proved, the WH document is a clear forgery.
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