Posted on 06/08/2012 8:12:40 AM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Students at New York City’s Stuyvesant High are unhappy with a dress code that bans girls from wearing Daisy Dukes and tank tops to school along with other such inappropriate clothing.
To protest the restriction on their supposed right to wear as little as possible to school, the girls held a so-called “Slutty Wednesday” demonstration this week. They complained that Stuyvesant’s dress code is unfair, particularly to well-endowed girls.
Lucy Greider, a Stuyvesant freshman, told the New York Post she’s been sent to the principal’s office 10 times this school year for showing off too much cleavage, midriff or shoulder.
“Sometimes the teachers will call you out in the hallway,” she whined, adding “I like what I wear. I want to have my own style in school.”
Meanwhile, boy students, protesting in solidarity with underdressed female classmates like Greider, complained that school administrators assume they cannot control their raging hormones when they’re in the company of teen-aged babes wearing next to nothing.
But it’s not like Stuyvesant is telling Greider and other female students that they have dress like Amish girls.
Its dress code, put in place last year, states that shoulders, underwear, midriffs, and lower backs are not to be exposed. Shorts, dresses and skirts must extend below a student’s finger tips with their arms straight at their sides.
In practical terms, that means Stuyvesant girls can’t wear tank tops, halter tops or sports tops (the kind often seen in workout videos). Nor can they wear short shorts, micro-miniskirts or itty bitty dresses.
It also means that Stuyvesant boys can’t wear wife beaters and “sags” to class.
The girls have to make do with clothes that don’t make them look like teen-age street walkers. The boys have to do without gear that makes them look like they just got out of the joint.
If the upper-middle-class Stuyvesant girls just have to get their hoochie on, if the white-bread Stuyvesant boys feel they need to represent that they’re living the thug life, they all can do so after school each day, on weekends, on spring break and on summer vacay.
The pity is that the parents of the students who staged the New York City high school’s “Slutty Wednesday” protest gave it their tacit approval.
They are obviously unmindful of the Scripture that advises parents to train up a child in the way he (or she) should go. Otherwise their teens wouldn’t go to school each day wearing whatever – or not wearing whatever – their precious little hearts desire.
So, then, since so many of the Stuyvesant kids are apparently getting no adult guidance at home as to appropriate school attire, the responsibility has fallen to the New York City high school’s principal and teachers.
Those beleaguered educators are not the bad guys in the highly-publicized dispute over Stuyvesant’s student dress code. It’s the Stuyvesant parents who don’t care how slutty their kids look when they leave the house.
Slavery was once legally legitimate. Jim Crow was too. Let's add Nazism, too.
Government schools are not legitimate because they are in complete conflict with First Amendment human rights.
By the way, please read Melas’ post #59. Geeze! Even here on this tiny **conservative** post people are not in complete agreement as to appropriate clothing for children. If we can't get full agreement. Why would anyone think that an entire community of voters could agree. One side wins their religious, poltical, and cultural battle, and the other side gets their First Amendment Rights crushed ( and they are forced to pay for it, too!)
But Jim crow was declared unconstitutional and was discriminatory.
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The end to slavery and Jim Crow began in the mind of man.
That is how government schooling will end, too, with the idea that government schooling is illegitimate force imposed on freedom of conscience, and that they are First Amendment abominations.
As Such I will take the win on this since obviously you have run out of arguments.
Please post again if you can stick on topic.
Where are the feelings?
Fact: Government schools are in conflict with the First Amendment Rights of the students, parents, and taxpayers.
Fact: Even here on Free Republic, this tiny discussion group composed of conservatives, posters can not agree on appropriate dress.
Fact: How one dresses is intimately tied to one’s cultural, political, and religious beliefs.
Fact: The conflict between the First Amendment and government schooling can not be resolved.
Prove me wrong, please, if you disagree.
IF you want to start another thread that has to do with your feelings then please feel free.
Claim a “win”. ( By the way should we include the seventh grade childish whine “I WIN! NA NA NA NA NA NA!)
Fundamentally, the idea that government schools are in conflict with the First Amendment ( in this case free expression of dress) will win. Geeze! Even here on Free Republic there isn't full agreement among the posters.
Homeschooling continues it steady growth is in now officially reported to be 4% of the school-age population ( it is likely larger). There are LONG waiting lists for charters and vouchers. Every year states increase tax credits, vouchers, and charters. Large and highly effective lobbying groups of parents are forming across the nation demanding privatization of K-12 schooling.
So...Claim a” win” if you wish.
Please maintain the integrity of the thread.
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This **IS** the topic: Dress standards in government schools for kids!
If we can not get full agreement among posters here on this thread ( a **conservative** site) on how kids should dress for government school, why on earth would anyone think that full agreement on dress standards would be possible among an entire COMMUNITY??? Huh?
How children dress is intimately tied to a family’s fundamental cultural, political, and religious worldview. When government in its schools dictates dress standards it WILL crush the freedom of conscience and First Amendment Rights of many of the students, parents, and taxpayers. If government **FORCES** children into an environment whose dress codes violate the political, cultural and religious values of the child and his family, then it is AGAIN crushing freedom of conscience and First Amendment Rights.
FACT: It is impossible for government schools to resolve this.
Fact: Government schools are a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination. This one article on dress standards is merely one examples among the THOUSANDS of ways government schools do this.
Solution: Begin the process of separation of SCHOOL and state!
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Please describe a government K-12 ( owned and run) whose dress code is in full agreement with the political, cultural, and religious beliefs of every citizen in the community. What would this school look like?
Let's make the challenge a little less daunting: How about describing the dress code of a government school that would be in full agreement with all of the poster on just this ONE thread! Please remember that “Only1choice____Freedom” would like to see uniforms and Melas believe that is authoritarian and a financial imposition on the parents.
Fundamentally, ,,,Government schools are a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination for the students, parents, and the taxpayers. because government schools can never be religiously, culturally, or politically neutral. This dress code article is merely one example among thousands.
Can you please stick to that?
An intelligent conservative would never try to hijack a thread for their own personal agenda, no that would never happen on the Free Republic.
Gee you think that a person that claims to have such an advanced degree would have better reading comprehension. Here is the Title of the thread: NYC Schoolgirls Get ‘Slutty’ to Protest Dress Code Proof read because I care enough not to shoot from the lip.
Here is a challenge for you Stay on the topic.
Well....There it is. The teens are protesting the government's DRESS CODE for its schools!
If this were a private school, there would be no issue. The parents, principal, and directors of the private school would agree by contract ( before admission) to the dress code.
No matter what the government does, one way or the other, regarding its dress code it **will** trample the political, cultural, and religious beliefs of many of its students, parents, and taxpayers. Even on this tiny thread not all Freepers agree, and I gave you examples.
There is a solution to this dress code nonsense and to the fundamental conflict that all government owned and run K-12 schools have with the First Amendment and freedom of conscience.
Solution: Privatization of K-12 schooling and complete separation of school and state. Thankfully, it appears that we are moving rapidly in that direction.
On the morning after 9/11, one of the major news networks interviewed two young girls who happened to be attending a government school very near the Twin Towers. They were about nine years old. They were dressed in camisoles with thin spaghetti straps. My husband and I commented, “What parent in their right mind would let nine year old girls dress that way?”
Well?....It is **extremely** hot and humid in N.Y. at that time of year, and perhaps this is common dress for girls in that part of the country.
The point is that there are parents who would not dress their little girls that way, and do not want them to be **forced** by the government into associating with other little girls whose families think this is “kool”. It is a First Amendment issue. Parents and children have a God given right to freedom of assembly, and taxpayers should not be forced to pay for government violations of freedom of conscience and First Amendment abuses.
There is a solution to all these government school dress code protests: Privatize K-12 education. ( Thankfully, we as a society are moving in that direction.)
Students have to apply to this school and they only accept the top students. They know the dress code and agree to it before they go. No one is "forced" go to it.
This is irresponsible parents raising their daughters to be irresponsible.
Please look at the facts before Jumping to your conclusions.
Yeah I am calling BS alert. All the Schools in NYC were closed the day after 9/11 and several were closed for a week while waiting for the dust to settle.
Yes, true. This is a very competitive magnet school. They aren’t forced to go there...but....it is a government school and this is the reason the girls are able to push the limits. If it were a truly private school they wouldn’t be able to do this.
By the way, this is one of the reasons that, if vouchers are used, they should be for a limited time only. Once the government gets involved then First Amendment Rights apply.
Still waiting for you to say the parents are irresponsible and the kids are whiners.
My guess is that the kids are brats. I don’t know about the parents because the kids may have left their home appropriately dressed. That’s the case in our county. The article is not completely clear about the parents’ involvement.
However....The reason these kids can push the limits is because of their First Amendment Rights? In a private school First Amendment Rights do not apply because it is a private interaction, not a government sponsored arrangement.
verga is correct - there was no school in NYC the day after 9/11. So it may very well be they attended a public school - they were not going to school the day of this alleged interview.
BTW - I sign a form every year agreeing to the dress code at my daughter’s school. If I don’t agree with it, I’m am free to educate my daughter in another educational setting.
Oh, students protesting school dress codes is nothing new, and it also occurs in private schools. I should know, I participated in them in my Catholic HS in the 70s and we did get the dress code changed.
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