Once Again I will Posit Adoption for Barack Obama.

Various | 3/1/2012 | DiogenesLamp

[DiogenesLamp]

I just finished Watching Sheriff Arpaio's press conference. The Sheriff's posse has concluded that the document was created on a computer and is therefore a forgery.

I will once again point out that if Obama was adopted, he would get a replacement birth certificate that will be designed to look like an original 1961 birth certificate, but it will in fact have been created by the Department of Health in the State of Hawaii at the Direction of an Hawaiian State Judge.

"The Obama was Adopted" theory addresses the "forgery" issue head on, and precludes it from being a crime. In my opinion, this is the simplest explanation for the fact that Obama's document looks cobbled together, and that Hawaii is tacitly confirming it as legitimate.

I will further add, (for those who have not already been so informed) that *I* was adopted, and *I* have a birth certificate which was created six years after I was born, and is in fact a replacement birth certificate that lists my new last name, new parent's names, etc.

This theory ties up a lot of the loose ends neatly (not all of them) and it doesn't involve believing that the Hawaiian government is involved in a criminal "conspiracy." I urge people to consider this idea before jumping to the conclusion that everyone involved with producing this document has committed a criminal act.

[DiogenesLamp]

just wondering...IF your amended bc showed the name of a mother who wasn’t your mother, might you see a different outcome?

The "mother's name" on both documents is different on my birth certificates.

You are relating your personal experience to circumstances that may be nothing like your own.

I think it is only because of my personal experience that I am even looking in this direction. Had I known nothing of the details of an adoption, such an answer would not have even occurred to me. I must point out, that I am not the only one who thinks Obama was adopted by his Grandparents. (Later legally annulled, thus the new document.)

There’s no way you can know when and by whom

Everything is surmised based on what seems to be KNOWN facts.
1. Indonesian law seems to make adoption of children under five automatic.
2. After 1971 Obama lived with his Grandparents.
3. His birth document appears to be a forgery of recent vintage.
4. Hawaii does not disown it.

What makes sense of it all? This adoption theory seems to. It is both Legal *AND* fake. If you have any familiarity with the theory of Quantum Mechanics, this idea is not so difficult to grasp. The "cat" is both dead and alive at the same time. :)

[DiogenesLamp]

There is no such thing as a legal forgery.

And the fact that you apparently aren’t aware that there are NUMEROUS massively long threads on FR researching Zero’s background nor have you read them, shows that my initial suspicious about you are factual.

And when I suggested reading the “Auntie” thread you weren’t interested in a link, and sneered about physical similarities, which are not the point of the thread in question.

The fact that you trot out this crap thread today shows you for what you are.

I did ask for a link. I probably HAVE read the "auntie thread", but may not have given it as much import as you have. Have you read the Vattel Research thread? HMMM????

My idea is not crap. Why don't you spend less time worrying about what I have or have not done, and show everyone what you think is wrong with the idea?

[KosmicKitty]

BO was a bastard, in the legal sense.

Little commie mommy was a promiscuous young thing and BO, with an ego the size of Indonesia, couldn’t staten to be called a bastard, ergo, the forged birth certificate.

Back in the early 1960’s, a young white girl having a black baby would have been an outrage. No wonder little commie mommy took little bastard Barry to indonesia!!

(My belief, anyway)

[DiogenesLamp]

Fred’s here watching you.

You are going to get yourself into an awful tangle assuming that your own circumstances/experience have anything to do with zero.

At Last! An Audience! :)

I welcome you all to read everything I ever wrote on this website, and likewise everything I ever wrote on THIS WEBSITE.>

My name is "Diogenes" on THAT website.

[DiogenesLamp]

Vote away....still won’t mean you’re right. :) Hey, if you think DL is legit, that’s your choice. Have you read ALL past posts from day one? If not, please do so.

I agree. Please do so.

[Brown Deer]

My idea is not crap.

legal forgery? BS! looks like a FELONY to me!

[visually_augmented]

DL:”Yes, it’s fake, but it’s a LEGAL fake. That is my theory.”

Why does a legal institution need to “manufacture” a seal. Why would they not make the changes and then endorse the document properly.

Doesn’t make sense to me.

[DiogenesLamp]

‘he’ talks about me without the courtesy of including my name ... so I can do the same. I doubt we are dealing with an obamabot, what we have here is someone who thinks they have it all worked out...and can’t take anything but their own theories into account. It’s a pity...

I don't know why you would be offended. I've said the information you come up with is very interesting. I've actually been quite impressed with some of your stuff.

And no, I don't think I have it all worked out. I just think this theory needs to be considered. Obama is an Enigma, wrapped up in a riddle, surrounded by a mystery.

I personally think he is a commie at heart and an agent of the forces of darkness, but that's just my opinion.

[DiogenesLamp]

I don’t think the grandparents would have adopted Barry Soetoro, but instead they simply got legal guardianship. The divorce records still suggested that Lolo Soeotoro was still legally Barry’s father.

Now THAT is a good point. I wish other people would spend more time actually making a point rather than wondering if I am an Obot spy. :)

I would like to respond further, but I have to go pick my daughter up from one of her school functions. I'll see if I can think of a good answer to this point tomorrow.

[Fred Nerks]

So tell me, Schrodinger’s cat notwithstanding, when did he become Barack Hussein Obama Soebarkah?

Which he must have been at some time, for there to exist a need to have that name removed from her passport in August 1968.

Did he accompany SAD to Indonesia or elsewhere UNDER THAT NAME in July 1965 when her passport application was dated?

[Danae]

It has caused me some trouble. I am in the process of putting together a Libel Suit. A no joke Libel suit. Issues of Jurisdiction are right now being addressed, it takes time to do the legal research needed. Damnit ... lawyers are EXPENSIVE, but in this case my family and I consider it absolutely worth it.

If I were you I would not publish it, you will only get attacked for it. Unless you feel really strongly about it, let it go. Once your anonymity is gone, and flipping nutcase can pick it up and go all sorts of freaky on you and your family.

[Brown Deer]

Yes, no one produces forgeries if they have legitimate documents to share.

[cynwoody]

I'd have to agree with madison that Stanley Armour Dunham is for sure in Zero's ancestry. That almost certainly means that Stanley Ann is indeed his mother.

However, there's another theory of his parentage that is as amusing as it is implausible. That's that Stanley Armour is not his grandfather, but his father, and that his mother is an unknown black woman whom Stanley Armour came to know through his friendship with Frank Marshall Davis. Wouldn't that be a hoot! But how it would have ever got past Toot is the big question.

[manc]

it really is sad that there are people like you who only look to defend someone or something based on your views instead of ;looking at facts.

Here is a suggestion as the lefts tactic of make fun of those who raise certain issues is getting old much like PC.

[john mirse]

It’s quite common for Permanent Resident Alien minors to be in the custody of a Social Service Agency in one state, while in the physical custody of a relative in another state.

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I'm sorry, but I don't quite understand your statement above.

Are you saying above that Obama was a "Permanent Resident Alien" at some point in his life, like the time he received his Social Security card that says it was issued in Connecticut? Thanks.

[Fred Nerks]

All I am trying to say is, beware the theories that present an answer to everything - and don’t throw out suggestions that seem a little out of left field. No one person will ever close the book on this, imo.
It’s going to take teamwork, and the sheriff has a team.

[usar91B]

Here is the presentation of Arpaio's evidence: (Sheriff's presentation)

[manc]

LEGAL FORGERY

it can’t be both, either it is a forgery or legal, I knew the loons on the left were dumb but FFS this is even way out for them .

[cynwoody]

It’s quite common for Permanent Resident Alien minors to be in the custody of a Social Service Agency in one state, while in the physical custody of a relative in another state.

You've got your causal chain all bollixed up. You are starting with an anomaly about his SSN, which is in the Connecticut number series, probably due to a simple clerical error, and leaping to the conclusion that he was an alien minor whose care was overseen by a Connecticut charity and which applied for his SSN on his behalf with their CT zip code in the return address. That's absurd. You are laying out all the possibilities and picking an extremely unlikely possibility just because you think you had a clever idea.

You need to start with real evidence that he was some sort of alien. But, on the contrary, all of the evidence says he was born in Hawaii. That makes him a citizen, and parents can't renounce their child's citizenship. He has to do it himself, after turning 18, and after convincing a State Department official he knows what he is doing and is not under duress.

Some people have invested too much time and money into false theories and won’t give it up. Or you can cling to the hope his BC is fake, his SSN is fake, his Selective Service is fake and everyone is in on it since the beginning.

Just because the standard birther theories are garbage doesn't mean yours is any better.

[Apollo5600]

The problem with this theory is that the document has evidence of never actually being a physical document. Printing the document, and then actually getting it photocopied, would have eliminated all of the various problems within it. Instead, we have a document that can literally be modified piece by piece the way i twas assembled.

The White House never claimed it was only ever a digital copy. It claimed to have the physical document.