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To: Kansas58
Legislation trumps Common Law. Legislation trumps Natural Law. Legislation trumps the Law of Nations. Legislation trumps Vattel.

If we accept your view, then Congress can legislate away every freedom guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. Indeed, they can legislate away the entire US Constitution, and replace it with whatever they like. Legislation trumps everything, after all.

Your statements on this matter are repulsive and un-American. Natural law cannot be legislated into non-existence. Congress can no more change the inalienable and intrinsic nature of man, than they can repeal the law of gravity.

If you'd ever really learned anything from American history, you'd understand that the American Revolution was fought over these very concepts, and that our Constitution enshrined and codified these ideas into a framework for organizing a society of free people for the very first time in human history.

The point you continually miss in these conversations, is that the Framers recognized the inherent differences between the various conditions of citizenship. They knew that barring the presidency to all except those who were born on American soil, to two US citizen parents, was the strongest insurance they could impose against someone of divided loyalties assuming control of that office.

That is the entire simplicity of the Natural Born Citizen clause.

22 posted on 02/05/2012 10:15:19 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Nonsense!
You know what you want, and you, not me, resort to distortion of the “law” to obtain the results you desire.

Natural Born Citizen means Citizen at Birth. It has always meant Citizen at Birth.

However, the rules and regs and requirements to obtain such Citizenship have changed, over the years.

Your case is very weak. Your attitude, and the nasty attitude of many other Birthers, is why most Conservatives ignore you folks -— it seems a waste of time to point out the flaws in your strategy and argument.

The vast majority of Conservatives believe that Marco Rubio, for instance, IS qualified to be President, as he was born in Florida. The fact that his parents were Cuban Citizens, at that time, does not matter to the vast majority of Conservatives. When the fight is over Rubio, rather than Obama, you will see a huge outpouring of Conservative judicial, political and historical experts who will all squash your arguments like bugs.

But for now? To many Conservatives, it is a waste of time to argue with you.

For me? Well I think Birthers can make Conservatives look foolish, and I think at least a few of you are forced now, to do better research against my arguments, even if you do not agree with my position (Which is the majority opinion at law, in politics and among historians.)

32 posted on 02/05/2012 10:33:49 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Windflier

“They knew that barring the presidency to all except those who were born on American soil, to two US citizen parents, was the strongest insurance they could impose against someone of divided loyalties assuming control of that office.

That is the entire simplicity of the Natural Born Citizen clause.”

Correct. If the intent of the founders was to prevent, to the greatest degree they could, the possibility of divided loyalties (and it certainly was) in the person holding the presidential levers of power, then natural born citizenship derived by birth on US soil to US citizen parents represents the gold standard. This is not difficult logic.


140 posted on 02/05/2012 4:44:40 PM PST by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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