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To: Windflier
Nonsense!
You know what you want, and you, not me, resort to distortion of the “law” to obtain the results you desire.

Natural Born Citizen means Citizen at Birth. It has always meant Citizen at Birth.

However, the rules and regs and requirements to obtain such Citizenship have changed, over the years.

Your case is very weak. Your attitude, and the nasty attitude of many other Birthers, is why most Conservatives ignore you folks -— it seems a waste of time to point out the flaws in your strategy and argument.

The vast majority of Conservatives believe that Marco Rubio, for instance, IS qualified to be President, as he was born in Florida. The fact that his parents were Cuban Citizens, at that time, does not matter to the vast majority of Conservatives. When the fight is over Rubio, rather than Obama, you will see a huge outpouring of Conservative judicial, political and historical experts who will all squash your arguments like bugs.

But for now? To many Conservatives, it is a waste of time to argue with you.

For me? Well I think Birthers can make Conservatives look foolish, and I think at least a few of you are forced now, to do better research against my arguments, even if you do not agree with my position (Which is the majority opinion at law, in politics and among historians.)

32 posted on 02/05/2012 10:33:49 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
Natural Born Citizen means Citizen at Birth

Says who??!!! ... You?

34 posted on 02/05/2012 10:38:21 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Kansas58; Windflier

Windflier is correct.

You, madam/sir are an idiot.

You have no knowledge about what you are yammering.

I am a U.S. citizen born outside the U.S. and still live outside the U.S. I have been through all those different rules of citizenship throughout my life. You have not.

Do your homework and learn something.

This is one of many reasons I don’t want to live in the U.S. because of misinformed idiots like you...which are many...you are not alone.


63 posted on 02/05/2012 12:03:23 PM PST by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Kansas58
Natural Born Citizen means Citizen at Birth. It has always meant Citizen at Birth.

Utter nonsense.

The Framers wanted the office of president restricted to those with the purest form of citizenship that exists, i.e., those born on US soil, to two US citizen parents.

Call it what you want, but that IS the surest bar against usurpation by someone with divided national loyalties, and the Framers knew it. It doesn't take more than a layman's familiarity with the history of that era to understand why they applied this simple requirement to ONLY that one office in the Constitution.

Your case is very weak. Your attitude, and the nasty attitude of many other Birthers, is why most Conservatives ignore you folks -— it seems a waste of time to point out the flaws in your strategy and argument.

Look in the mirror, friend. It's you who are being nasty in this continuing conversation. I've seen many of your comments to others about this topic, and you are uniformly dismissive and arrogant in your replies.

And my case isn't 'weak', either. It's grounded in the conditions and historical events which formed and birthed this nation. You, on the other hand, seem to be advocating for the right of Congress and the courts to overrule the US Constitution, or to redefine it to mean whatever they want.

That is simply enabling tyranny, and opens the door to revoking the hard-won freedoms that millions have died for. You're not going to find a lot of takers for your viewpoint among a community of staunch believers in the rightness of American values, history, and our beloved Constitution.

76 posted on 02/05/2012 1:28:24 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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