Video: Donald Trump Takes On Fox News' The Five Over Obama's Birth Certificate

BirtherReport.com ^ | December 16, 2011 | Trump interview

[Seizethecarp]

Gutfeld: So, um, do you feel that you have settled that question about the origins of, ah, ah, President Obama's birth certificate?

Trump: Well, yeah, look, look, very simple, and you know I was on Barbara Walters yesterday she asked the question. Unfortunately, she cut the hell out of my answer and left like the last three words and people don't know what it, what it meant. Although I was honored to be on, but, you know, she cut that in, but she asked the same thing. Look, his mother, to the best of everybodies knowledge, was never in that hospital. OK. The document may have been tampered with according to many, many people. OK. You've got grandmothers and you have people in his family who say he wasn't born in this country. OK. Forgetting all of that, do I think he was born here? I have no Idea. I personally cannot say one way or the other. You know that the mother, there are no records. There are no records that the mother was ever in the hospital. With all of that being said, folks, I'd rather focus on the economy and jobs and how to get the country back. But, ah, If you ask me was he born (here?) I really can't tell you.

[Fred Nerks]

Are you pulling my leg? You asked:

How did Equatorial Guinea get into that inteligator report done on Barack Hussein Obama?

Because when Samson, the private investigator, entered the name Barack Obama into his credit check facility, that printed form I posted returned that result.

If Stanley Ann was just a nanny, who authorized her to take 0 out of the US when she first went to Indonesia ?

No one had to authorize her, she had full custody of the boy when she divorced a man she was never married to. Please don't ask how she managed to get a faux divorce, seems evident that forged documents might have been involved. Alternatively, the divorce docs we have seen, are based upon the divorce between Julia/Juliana Obama and the Kenyan. Records would simply show OBAMA vs OBAMA. A few little name and date changes, and presto!

-— IF -— that pic of the two little boys is of 0 and Roman, why would two unrelated kids have a formal studio picture taken of them?

Because they were obviously living together at the time. One, SAD took to Boston that same day she visited Susan Blake and the other the Kenyan told his Harvard Associates, he visited while he was living at 170 Magazine Street, just across the river from 72 Dale Street where Ella Collins had a boarding house and child care centre.

You really haven't been paying attention, have you. But none the less, you were helpful in providing images of JULIA/JULIANA - the mother of the dark boy. He acknowledges her as his mother:

She's photographed in the back row of this group of foreign students in Hawaii, the Kenyan is in the front row with his pipe.

It was Peter Firstbrook who wrote of the Kenyan student telling his Harvard Associates of visiting his son regularly while he was living in Cambridge, at 170 Magazine Street, but that original article has now been truncated, and I'm not prepared to buy the book, you may choose to do so:

The Obamas: The Untold Story of an African Family

[Fred Nerks]

http://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2821875/posts?page=401#401

that’s it from the land downunder for the time being, let someone else have a go, I’m disgusted and exhausted

M.A.G.A!

[WildHighlander57]

Fred Nerks wrote:

“Are you pulling my leg? You asked:

“How did Equatorial Guinea get into that inteligator report done on Barack Hussein Obama?”

Because when Samson, the private investigator, entered the name Barack Obama into his credit check facility, that printed form I posted returned that result. ...”

OK let me re-phrase the question about the credit report:

How did Equatorial Guinea get into Barack Obama’s credit check results —to begin with— ?

Did Barack Obama put “Equatorial Guinea” as place of birth on a car (or other) loan ?

Did he put “Equatorial Guinea” down on some Bill Ayers- forged document ?

Was it in some immigration records?

from your post #354 it mentions —immigration records— for Barack Obama

Why wasn’t this avenue pursued, that there exists immigration records showing a Barack Obama coming from Equatorial Guinea to the U.S. ???!!!!!!????

An IMMIGRANT is NOT ELIGIBLE to be President !!!!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2821875/posts?page=354#354

Fred Nerks wrote:

“From 11.11.09. to 11.22.09. I had the honor to be a delegate at the Continental Congress 2009. One of the guest speakers for the Continental Congress was a former Immigration officer and currently a private investigator in CO, Mr. John Samson.

I have stated to Mr. Samson that I need to tie some loose ends and I was wondering if as a former immigration officer, Mr. Samson would be privy to the information, that other investigators couldn’t obtain. In my presence Mr. Samson used his password and logged into the Database “Intelligator’, and he printed out a document attached as an exhibit.

It shows that Mr. Obama’s immigration records show one more birthdate: 08.01.61 and in the area of Ethnic origin it stated Equatorial Guinea.

https://www.scribd.com/document/23617638/BARNETT-v-OBAMA-Letter-to-Judge-Carter-Main-Document

That birthdate isn’t AUGUST ONE NINETEEN SIXTYONE.

It’s the birthdate taken as written by the owner of the passport from Equatorial Guinea, it is the EIGHTH OF JANUARY.”

[Fred Nerks]

From 11.11.09. to 11.22.09. I had the honor to be a delegate at the Continental Congress 2009. One of the guest speakers for the Continental Congress was a former Immigration officer and currently a private investigator in CO, Mr. John Samson.

I have stated to Mr. Samson that I need to tie some loose ends and I was wondering if as a former immigration officer, Mr. Samson would be privy to the information, that other investigators couldn’t obtain. In my presence Mr. Samson used his password and logged into the Database “Intelligator’, and he printed out a document attached as an exhibit.

It shows that Mr. Obama’s immigration records show one more birthdate: 08.01.61 and in the area of Ethnic origin it stated Equatorial Guinea.

https://www.scribd.com/document/23617638/BARNETT-v-OBAMA-Letter-to-Judge-Carter-Main-Document

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You are making the same mistake the author of the above statement made.

[David]

I can’t tell what part of this post is intended to be responsive and what part is the original from Fred.

Doing as much international work as we do, you often see the order of the month and day reversed when entered by overseas parties.

So when we see that as a birthdate from someone we think might have been conceived in March of 1960, we suspect that the date being entered is January of 61. I have some problems with that because I think between the date of his birth and the date of his appearance as confirmed by Joseph’s wife, a bunch of things happened.

He mother brought him back to Seattle, I assume from somewhere out of the country although Fred argues persuasively from Hawaii; he and his mother spent some time at Martha Washington home for unwed mothers; all before being seen (as I recall) sixteen months before July of 1962 (which seems to get you to January of 1961).

The timeline is a little tight.

Roman is on the hook for at least two references to himself as places where Barack II is located. Chicago is this one; the other is an entry in Classmates where he signs it Roman Obama as being in a class at Punahoe where Barack II was enrolled.

[David]

In trying to reconstruct the real story, I continue to see the timeline as being very helpful.

There are a handful of tight connections that appear to be credible that fix a lot of the story.

One is the on the record interview by Susan Blake where she tells you that in mid August of 1961 when Barack II was a new born baby, Stanley was taking him to Boston; another is the statement, also on the record, where Joseph’s wife places the black baby and his mother in the Capital Hill boarding house in January of 1961; and a third is the statement by Barack II in an interview with the Harvard Crimson which was widely reported by AP in the National Press in which Barry states that he went to Indonesia when he was “about two”.

The latter proposition needs some understanding. Fundamental theocratic Moslems do not celebrate their birth as the date on which the umbilical cord is cut—instead they celebrate their conception (whether they think they are claiming to know the exact date or are celebrating an assumed date I do not know) as the date of the beginning of their life.

However until later in the Presidential period, Barry celebrated the last week in October. So when we read his “about two” point, we assume that means after about October of 1962; sometime before March of 1963 when Stanley returned to Hawaii and re entered the U of Hawaii, at a time when Barry was no longer to be seen.

Susan’s statement that Stanley was on her way to Boston was widely seen as discrediting all of Susan’s story—in fact, Stanley was departing Seattle to live in Boston with both Barry and Roman at a house in Boston, visited in 1962 by Obama Sr. when he in fact did get to Harvard—a house owned by the sister of Barry’s true father. The 1962 date is the first known date on which Obama Sr. and Stanley can be placed at the same place on the same date.

Those three dates pretty well give you a date guide line to sort out these facts in a fashion not inconsistent with a time line that fits the real story.

Another key established fact which also fixes a part of the timeline is the purported University of Washington transcript for Stanley at the University of Washington in 1961.

That transcript is an outright demonstrated fraud—the first computer form did not come into being until long after 1980; the University’s replacement sent to Jerry Corsi is a two column form which was not used until some time after 1961 and would not have fit the binder’s designed for the three column form which was in fact in use in 1961.

It is undisputable that the claimed transcript is intended as a representation of Stanley Ann Dunham’s presence with a black child on Captial Hill in the 1961 academic year and it is equally certain that she was not there and could not have been there.

Thus someone intending to fit the known facts of a woman using the name Obama, with a black child, present on the Hill in that time frame to Stanley Ann was committed an intentional fraud in the act.

[Fred Nerks]

...Thus someone intending to fit the known facts of a woman using the name Obama, with a black child, present on the Hill in that time frame to Stanley Ann was committed an intentional fraud in the act.

Enter Charlette LeFevre, then the operator of the Seattle Museum of the Mysteries, who conducted walking tours around Capital Hill past the homes of the rich and famous...she had read an article in a Seattle paper that there was gossip going around that the mother of a child named (pick-a-name, zero) was living somewhere in Seattle, so Charlette checks out the local library, finds a Polk from 1960-61 and loh and behold, there's ANNA OBAMA listed at the 13th E Ave address, one of TEN entries, for a property that had been divided into small apartments, listed as Villa Ria Apartments...

One of the listed names was a Joseph T. He had been at the time, married to Mary, but Mary and he were divorced long long ago and she had moved to Alaska...where Charlette tracked her down, she wasn't hard to find, she had been interviewed by the Redoubt reporter in connection with stolen yard signs...

So Charlette rang her. Mary was listed as a local speech therapist. Charlette says, I hear you lived at the same address where our president lived as a baby, I found the address for Anna Obama in the directory...Mary replies, yes, I babysat for ANNA for a few months, while ANNA attended classes.

Charlette writes, MARY REFERRED TO HER AS ANNA, SO THEREFOR IT WAS CLEAR SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT STANLEY ANN DUNHAM.(paraphrased)

Mary told Charlette she babysat when her own daughter, who was born in July 1959, was 18 months of age. So Charlette prints her article and states that the babysitting took place in February or March 1962. Later, when she realizes her mistake, blaming Mary for a poor memory, she edits her own article, printed on her Mystery Museum web pages, and changes the resulting date. But not before a reprint appeared on another local website, in the original form. It's clear as daylight, Mary NEVER claimed to have babysat zero for anyone named Stanley Ann Dunham. The only name Mary used was ANNA. She didn't name the child. The child she babysat IN JANUARY 1961. When her daughter was 18 months of age...

And once Mary had acknowledged ANNA OBAMA she was stuck. She could hardly say, but ANNA was a colored foreign student...

Could she? And you wonder why the university 'transcript' was a fake? I'm thinking ANNA might have been enrolled there, and just like the BC, Stanley Ann Dunham's record from Hawaii was melded to create what was sent to Corsi.

[Fred Nerks]

THE ARTICLE INCLUDING THE EDIT AS POSTED ON FR:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306351/posts?page=11875#11875

“Mary Toutonghi who now lives in Soldatna Alaska, (2) recalls Barack as ³a really alert baby, very happy and a good size². She does not remember him ever crying (although she adds she is sure he likely did but does not remember any undue fussing). She recalls as best she can the dates she baby sat Barack as her daughter was 18 months old and was born in July of 1959 and that would have placed the months of baby sitting Barack in January and February of 1962. [Note: 9/3/09: I believe Mary’s daughter was older than what she remembered which would account for the age discrepency].”

“During our first interview, Mary referred to Stanley Ann Dunham as ³Anna² not knowing that it was the same name as what was listed in the Seattle City Directory. This verified for us that indeed Mary had known Ann Dunham.”

~~~

You gotto be a flaming liberal to write c.r.a.p. like that.

[x]

That is Roman Obama who is presently a delegation member from Guinea--he really is the son of Barrack H. Obama Sr.

Obama is a common name in Equatorial Guinea.

Ricardo Mangue Obama Nfubea was Prime Minister from 2006 to 2008.

Francisco Pascual Eyegue Obama Asue has been Prime Minister since 2016.

Nicolas Obama Nchama is Security Minister.

Antonio Obama Ndong is the Vice Minister of National Defense.

Ildefonso Obama Obono is the Archbishop of Malabo.

Federico Ondo Obama Ondo and Salomón Asumu Obama Ondo are on the national football (soccer) team.

You can't walk a mile in Equatorial Guinea without tripping over an Obama or two.

They didn't need to import Obamas from Kenya or the US or anywhere else

[Fred Nerks]

...the other is an entry in Classmates where he signs it Roman Obama as being in a class at Punahoe where Barack II was enrolled.

That was funny, I had forgotten that. The Classmates pages for Punahou included the name Roman Obama. It was early days. I remember it vividly because ROMAN was also the name of a Polish relative of mine. I'm thinking Roman may have been playing a prank on zero. There must have been boring days during that 'almost a decade' he spent at the Lumumba University in Moscow...

[Fred Nerks]

And a professor Obama from the Waseda University in Japan visited Seattle in the seventies, iirc. What’s your point?

[Fred Nerks]

Obama (surname), a surname of African or Japanese origin, and any of several people with that name

Places
Mount Obama, the highest point in Antigua and Barbuda
Obama, Fukui, a city in Japan Obama Castle (Wakasa Province), Japan
Obama Domain, a feudal domain in Edo-period Japan

Obama, Nagasaki, a former town in Japan Obama Onsen, a hot spring in Nagasaki, Japan

Obama Castle (Mutsu Province), Japan

[x]

My point is that the odds that some Obama from Equatorial Guinea is Barack Sr.’s son are slim to none.

[Fred Nerks]

Lose a turn, go back to START. You haven’t been paying attention.

[x]

Lose a turn, go back to START.

How many turns did you lose to have to keep going back to 2011?

[Fred Nerks]

I meant THIS thread. But don’t bother now, both image saving sites used as image hosts are DOWN and all you can see is little black squares.

[David]

“Mary Toutonghi who now lives in Soldatna Alaska, . . . . She recalls as best she can the dates she baby sat Barack as her daughter was 18 months old and was born in July of 1959 and that would have placed the months of baby sitting Barack in January and February of 1962. [Note: 9/3/09: I believe Mary’s daughter was older than what she remembered which would account for the age discrepency].”

~~~ You gotto be a flaming liberal to write c.r.a.p. like that.

I guess a lot of Conservatives have to have a pretty difficult time with 4th grade arithmetic to add 18 to month 7 and get month 37. The author figured it out in 2009 some years after she wrote it originally. Mostly mothers do arithmetic on dates like this and they have a pretty good idea when their only kid was born. In looking at the hard data time line I posted earlier, you can see that Roman in fact might have arrived as late as February of 1961 but the add 18 to July of 59 gets you to almost exactly the date when Roman did arrive at the Tout boarding house which kind of makes you think Mary knew what she was talking about when she said it.

[Fred Nerks]

Mary just spoke the truth, she babysat for ANNA when her own daughter was 18 months of age. As that child was born in July 1959, the ANNA she acknowledged was there in January, 1961. Mary acknowledged ANNA OBAMA as listed in the Polk Directory. It was Charlette Le Fevre who identified ANNA OBAMA as Stanley Ann Dunham. They couldn't take it back, so they needed something to confirm that the student was Stanley Ann Dunham. They ended up sending Corsi a 'transcript' with the name OBAMA. STANLEY ANN DUNHAM. Can't find the Corsi pages, but here's Sharon Rondau's comment:

STANLEY ANN DUNHAM BEGAN STUDIES IN AUGUST

There may have been a record for ANN/ANNA OBAMA, a slight twisting of the name to include STANLEY and DUNHAM, plus SAD's Mercer Island details, and there you go...

There was never any mention of a period of residence in Seattle, in 'Dreams From My father'.

ANNA OBAMA WASN'T MEANT TO BE FOUND. And Stanley Ann Dunham didn't show up in Hawaii until 1963, when she changed her name with Social Security to ANN DUNHAM OBAMA.

[Fred Nerks]

the image saving service through photobucket and tinypic have been restored

[Fred Nerks]

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2821875/posts?page=35#35

“This is a show of blessing from God, since I have always dedicated my time to tend to the orphans. Even the US president passed through my hands,” added the grandmother.

http://i64.tinypic.com/308ytzt.jpg

And now we understand just who and when that was, don’t we? She was referring to August 1964 when the Kenyan brought his little boy home with him. See image link.