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Video: Donald Trump Takes On Fox News' The Five Over Obama's Birth Certificate
BirtherReport.com ^ | December 16, 2011 | Trump interview

Posted on 12/17/2011 9:58:17 PM PST by Seizethecarp

Gutfeld: So, um, do you feel that you have settled that question about the origins of, ah, ah, President Obama's birth certificate?

Trump: Well, yeah, look, look, very simple, and you know I was on Barbara Walters yesterday she asked the question. Unfortunately, she cut the hell out of my answer and left like the last three words and people don't know what it, what it meant. Although I was honored to be on, but, you know, she cut that in, but she asked the same thing. Look, his mother, to the best of everybodies knowledge, was never in that hospital. OK. The document may have been tampered with according to many, many people. OK. You've got grandmothers and you have people in his family who say he wasn't born in this country. OK. Forgetting all of that, do I think he was born here? I have no Idea. I personally cannot say one way or the other. You know that the mother, there are no records. There are no records that the mother was ever in the hospital. With all of that being said, folks, I'd rather focus on the economy and jobs and how to get the country back. But, ah, If you ask me was he born (here?) I really can't tell you.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: attentionwhore; birftards; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; obama; trump
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To: SatinDoll
This issue was argued vociferously here on FR and on The Post & Email. I stopped being interested in the subject when two things were made public: birth announcements have no legal weight, ... and, invesitgators kept finding microfiche and film reels with splices or evidence of tampering.

I doubt I missed anything. "The Post & Email," in any case, is a highly suspect source for anything IMHO. (I've had private exchanges with "them" asking for supporting information, as I did here; and not only did "they" supply nothing, "they" responded with insults.)

Ordinary birth announcements may have no legal weight but fraudulent ones that never existed would have significant legal weight also IMHO. Hence my interest. I don't think I've ever seen a spliced newspaper microfilm reel; and I've certainly loaded hundreds of such reels onto readers myself. I cannot believe that there are splices in all of the reels with the Obama birth announcements.

ML/NJ

141 posted on 12/20/2011 2:31:20 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: bluecat6

You will find that memo as item 21 amongst the documents linked here:

IMMIGRATION FILE

And freeper matt1234 provided a summary of the file here:

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IMMIGRATION FILE

142 posted on 12/20/2011 2:41:29 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks

If he was married when coming to the United States, then would his marriage to Stanley Ann have been void?


143 posted on 12/20/2011 2:43:55 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks, Fred.

What a viper’s pit, covered by a spider web to hide the immaculate spawning of a criminal!

Utterly disgusting!


144 posted on 12/20/2011 3:05:48 PM PST by melancholy (0b0z0's '12 campaign slogan: Read My Purple Lips, Nooo...Newwww...Joooobs.)
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To: aruanan

He came from a Kenyan muslim family, his tribe practiced polygamy, his father Onyango Obama had at least FOUR wives - you can probably see why islam appealed, the Anglican school the kenyan attended at Maseno would hardly have countenanced plural marriages. As a muslim, all he had to do was renounce Kezia by repeating three times “I repudiate thee” and he could consider himself divorced.

HOWEVER...he did write home to the village (probably to his father Onyango, who was the only one who could read) that he had married a white woman and her name was ANNA TOOT. He also wrote home to say that he had a SON, according to Aunt Zeituni, who was living in the village when the letter arrived.

The dates on those letters are something we will NEVER SEE.

Anna WAS a real person, the clan in Kogelo knew about her, and when the dark child arrived in Kogelo - the SON - ‘granny’ Sarah tried to tell us who he was...but we were not listening, WHEN SHE SAID EVEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES PASSED THROUGH MY HANDS, she was refering to Barack Hussein Obama 11 - with whom Malik said he grew up with in the village...

BUT THAT WASN’T ZERO.


145 posted on 12/20/2011 3:16:22 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: melancholy
correction - I wrote: ...the Hawaii Polk entry is for ANN S DUNHAM

I made a mistake, the Hawaii Polk entry is for ANN S OBAMA.


146 posted on 12/20/2011 3:28:58 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Seizethecarp
I must say, I am still intrigued by Zero's hour of birth showing up the same on both the supposed "Kenyan BC Forgery" and the supposed "WH LFBC".

Was there any other written source for his hour of birth prior to the White House release of the "LFBC"? Did any of his books mention it?

How would the "Kenyan BC forger" know the exact hour of birth before it was released almost a year later by the WH? The odds are 1440:1 against it being a "good guess". Is that likely? I suppose it's better odds than a state lottery, but still.

If this has already been answered, could someone kindly explain where I'm wrong in being suspicious? Thanks.

147 posted on 12/20/2011 3:45:35 PM PST by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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To: Fred Nerks
Anna WAS a real person, the clan in Kogelo knew about her, and when the dark child arrived in Kogelo - the SON - ‘granny’ Sarah tried to tell us who he was...but we were not listening, WHEN SHE SAID EVEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES PASSED THROUGH MY HANDS, she was refering to Barack Hussein Obama 11 - with whom Malik said he grew up with in the village...

BUT THAT WASN’T ZERO.


Then Barry is an even bigger cipher that folks have imagined?
148 posted on 12/20/2011 4:03:24 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Fred Nerks

Thank you for putting clearity to a issue that was being muddled by distractions. The big question is why “Anna” went to the U of W instead of staying at the University of Hawaii. I think it was Barack Sr’s father that made to choice for her to separate her from his son. It is just my theory, of course.


149 posted on 12/20/2011 4:04:43 PM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: aruanan; David

If SAD isn’t his mother, and if the kenyan isn’t his father:

Mother unknown.
Father unknown.
Place of birth unknown.
Date of birth unknown.

Start all over again...

The only thing that ties them together is the divorce, as the result of which she was given custody...of whom? Of Barack Hussein Obama 11 who went to Kenya with Ruth and the son of a kenyan goat-herder?

Who grew up with Malik, according to Malik himself:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/eric-bolling-fox-guest-will-help-obamas-brother-legitimize-non-profit-charity/


150 posted on 12/20/2011 4:19:39 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: jonrick46

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=365749

you might find this article of interest.


151 posted on 12/20/2011 4:34:10 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: GregNH
The pictures of Barry's two half-brothers are from Mark Ndesandjo’s family photo collection, IIRC, and were taken in around 1968. Mark is the older boy and David, whom Mark claims is deceased, is the younger one who looks so much like Barry.

For me the resemblance of Barry to his half-brother David is one of the best indicators that they share the same father.

152 posted on 12/20/2011 6:11:38 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Scooter100

“Was there any other written source for his hour of birth prior to the White House release of the ‘LFBC’?”

The birth time of 7:24 PM was on the Short Form BC “released” in around June 2008. Then that same time was on the alleged Kenya Coast Province BC disclosed in September 2008...which was supposedly date stamped February 2008.

No original 1961 BC has been actually “legally released.”


153 posted on 12/20/2011 6:23:34 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: bluecat6; GregNH
“Remember the M.F. McKeon memo dated 4/2x/64.

‘The wife in the Philippines from whom he is separated is a U.S.C.’”

This was an uncorroborated note from one stateside INS officer who may have had a “brain fart” for all we know, just like Mary Toutonghi’s memory of her baby's age at the time she babysat Barry 50 years on.

Toutonghi’s story blows up the Ayer’s written narrative for Obama’s “little family” so the idea that she is part of a conspiracy to protect Obama by covering for some mystery Filipino “Anna Obama” in February of 1961 is...well ludicrous to me.

The only known US citizen wife from whom BHO Sr. was “separated” in April 1964 was SADO..actually divorced finalized in March 1964, IIRC.

The Asian women in the pictures with BHO Sr could easily have been of Japanese origin, IMO and they were numerous at U of HI.

The transcripts of U of Hawaii and U of WA cross check and place SADO in Seattle exactly when the witnesses say she was there. The INS docs in August 1961 also record BHO Sr saying that SADO intended to attend U of WA in the Fall of 1961.

There isn't a single document yet supporting a Filipino/US citizen Anna Obama with a baby anywhere ever, much less in Seattle in February of 1961, six months before Barry was born, according to the INS and witnesses. Yet some would ask us to believe that numerous official documents and records supporting SADO in Seattle are all forged...simply, it would seem, because they don't affirm uncorroborated speculation.

154 posted on 12/20/2011 7:02:59 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Fred Nerks; DiogenesLamp
Jakarta (ANTARA News) - The success of a person to be president, is usually not separated from the role of the mother who raised and educated him, including the elected president of the United States (U.S.) to the 44th, Barack Hussein Obama, who is president of "Afro-America" ​​first. "yang merupakan presiden "Afro-America" pertama." http://www.antaranews.com/view/?i=1228006805&c=ART&s=
155 posted on 12/20/2011 7:06:11 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: Fred Nerks

http://www.rrstar.com/multimedia/x862901720/Obama-s-Gramps-Gazing-skyward-on-D-Day-in-England?photo=10


156 posted on 12/20/2011 7:54:52 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: ml/nj

“Statements such as this expose you as a shallow ignoramus to the many people who follow my posts here.”

Congradulations! Unable to support your point through the use of USSC decisions supporting your contention that Obama is/could be eligible under Article II of the Constitution, you’ve posted a quotation from a book that has no weight in US Law.....called on your clumbsy attempt at Obama apology/disinformation, you now resort to an ad hominem attack to bolster yourself.

Yep, for sure, you’ve got lots of people reading your posts and shaking their heads........”yes!” /s

see ya sonny!


157 posted on 12/20/2011 9:25:04 PM PST by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Seizethecarp

What evidence do you have that there was a half brother named David, other than “Dreams” and some mention, IIRC, by Mark?


158 posted on 12/20/2011 9:31:51 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: little jeremiah
“What evidence do you have that there was a half brother named David, other than ‘Dreams’ and some mention, IIRC, by Mark?”

First, I do not regard anything in “Dreams” to be “evidence.”

Mark says the younger boy is his brother David. Do you have any evidence that he has ever lied about anything?

Mark Ndesandjo has given numerous interviews and IIRC these pictures of him and his brother, David, came from his own personal family album. I believe that in one of the articles he is pictured holding the album with the photos of him and David.

Mark, says that he is the older boy, the so-called “dark boy” (over development of the negative in my opinion) and to my eye I see a clear resemblance of that boy to Mark.

If it is Mark, who was born in 1965, then the pictures were taken in about 1969 when Mark was four and David was two or so. At this time Barry was a chubby eight-year-old and nowhere near Africa...despite one off-hand comment by one relative...which was totally uncorroborated anywhere.

Unlike Barry, there is no evidence I have seen that Mark is a liar regarding his past and his description of BHO Sr as a beast undermines Barry's stupid “Dreams.” Mark does appear to have been “bought off” with the rest of the family to the extent that he refuses to be interviewed about Barry.

159 posted on 12/20/2011 10:11:30 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: little jeremiah
As I attempted to show, the key to the identity of zero lies with the identity of the little boys...in the two images:

The boy on the left is zero, the dark boy on the right is the son of the kenyan, the same dark child is approx four years of age standing with Ruth and his father, while Ruth holds Mark who was apparently born after Ruth arrived in Kenya - she married the kenyan on Christmas Eve in 1964 we are told - and the child Mark whom she is holding is about one year old.

That dates the family group image to 1965. There are at least THREE YEARS difference in the ages of the children in the family group, and only ONE YEAR AT THE MOST between the two little boys.

160 posted on 12/20/2011 10:47:47 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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