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Experts admit second Mayan prediction of 2012 as end of the world
Digital Journal ^ | November 25, 2011 | JohnThomas Didymus

Posted on 12/03/2011 11:46:18 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Mexico - The Mexican National Institute of Anthropology and History have admitted that they have a second reference to the date 2012 as "end of the world" on a carved fragment found at an archaeological site in southern Mexico.

Salt Lake Tribune reports that archaeologists have long acknowledged that reference to date 2012 as "end of the world" is found on a stone tablet from the Tortuguero site in the Gulf coast state of Tabasco. But on Thursday, the Mexican National Institute of Anthropology and History announced that there is what appears another reference to the same date in an inscription on a brick found at the Camalcalco ruin. According to a spokesman for the institute Arturo Mendez, the inscription had been known for years and has been carefully studied by experts. Some experts, however, dispute that the "Comalcalco Brick" inscription really makes reference to dates (December 21, 2012 or December 23, 2012) that some have said is the end of the world. The "Comalcalco Brick" inscription, like the previous Tortuguero inscription, is difficult to interpret because it is cryptic. The Tortuguero inscription, for instance, makes prophetic reference to uncertain but possibly cataclysmic events to occur in 2012, in connection with the Mayan god of war and creation. The mystery of the message in the Tortuguero inscription is complicated by an illegible ending, though some have claimed the eroded text reads "He will descend from the sky."

Salt Lake Tribune reports that the face of the "Comalcalco Brick" which carries the "prophetic message" appears to have been covered with stucco and laid facing inward. This is taken to imply the message on the brick is a sacred message not meant for profane eyes. However, a specialist in Mayan inscriptions at the University of Texas, Austin, David Stuart, said, "[though] some have proposed it as another reference to 2012...I remain rather unconvinced." Stuart explains that what the brick contains is a "Calender Round," that is, day and month combination that will recur every 52 years.

According to David Stuart, the date on the brick coincides with end of the 13th Baktun, a 394-year period. With the Mayan Long Count calender starting in 3114 B.C., the 13th Baktun will end around December 21, 2012. But according to Stuart, "There’s no reason it couldn’t be also a date in ancient times, describing some important historical event in the Classic period. In fact, the third glyph on the brick seems to read as the verb huli, 'he/she/it arrives.' There’s no future tense marking [unlike the Tortuguero phrase], which in my mind points more to the Comalcalco date being more historical than prophetic."

Boston Herald reports that the Institute of Anthropology and History says belief that the Mayans prophesied the world will end in December 2012 is misinterpretation of Mayan calender and thought. Newser reports that the Institute of Anthropology and History, in a statement on Thursday, said, "Western messianic thought has twisted the cosmo-vision of ancient civilizations like the Maya." The experts, according to Newser, say rather than speak of the end of the world, the Mayans had a cyclical notion of historical time. Cyclical renewal of historical time, the experts say, was not associated with or essentially linked to apocalyptic events. The announcement of what appears a second reference, in Mayan archaeological relics, to late December 2012 as "end of the world," has, predictably, fueled speculations on Internet.

The Mexican National Institute of Anthropology and History is organizing a forum for 60 Mayan experts at the archaeological site of Palenque to address the rumors that the Mayan Long Count calender predicts the world to end in December, 2012.


TOPICS: History; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: 2012; archeology; catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; maya; mayancalendar; mayans; mayas; mexico; ohsomysteriouso
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It must be true then!

I've seen it in all the tabloids too!

21 posted on 12/04/2011 3:43:15 AM PST by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: Moonman62

IIRC, the Mayan Empire was extinguished by the conquering Aztecs just before the conquistadors arrived, who BTW put an end to the human sacrifices practiced by both cultures. Their ethnic descendants are found in Meso-America to this day.

So why is any credibility at all given to any predictions made by pagan barbarian sun-worshippers of an extinct system?

Not that cataclysmic events are to be ruled out. I’m sixty-three and am convinced that my own death will not come about due to natural causes at the normal end of life.

Just sayin’.


22 posted on 12/04/2011 4:06:45 AM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: Moonman62

Excellent question.


23 posted on 12/04/2011 4:09:36 AM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: elcid1970

“Not that cataclysmic events are to be ruled out. I’m sixty-three and am convinced that my own death will not come about due to natural causes at the normal end of life.”

Ever see Slaughterhouse Five?


24 posted on 12/04/2011 4:12:14 AM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: sillipuddi

Wow is that Easter Island? smile


25 posted on 12/04/2011 4:37:19 AM PST by aces
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m not convinced. The Bible says some more “stuff” has to happen. It appears to be on the way,. but we have 7 years once the first-final events kick off...


26 posted on 12/04/2011 4:43:40 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The end of the free world could come a bit earlier on November 6th if Obama is re-elected.


27 posted on 12/04/2011 5:17:53 AM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lord knows, it’ll be fun at the grocery store, etc around that time. I predict utter panic.


28 posted on 12/04/2011 5:19:41 AM PST by Peter from Rutland
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

,,,,,, so ,, forget about Christmas next year . . .


29 posted on 12/04/2011 5:26:39 AM PST by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It doesn’t predict an end of the world. It predicts a change. And perhaps that change will be a good thing.


30 posted on 12/04/2011 6:51:00 AM PST by StolarStorm
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To: StolarStorm

Good point. The Mayan calender actually extends beyond the year 4800 as I recall. In their calender certain major events are predicted on a regular basis, the year 2012 being the next example, but there is no evidence to suggest they actually predicted the end of the world next year.


31 posted on 12/04/2011 6:56:02 AM PST by cbvanb
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To: PA Engineer

32 posted on 12/04/2011 7:03:18 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
Funny stuff, that cartoon.

It is spooky that Biblical eschatology, predictions and "prophecies" imply the same general time frame for upheaval/cataclysm and beginning of something new. Add to that some possible alignment of the zodiac with the milky way? Am I way out in left field here or what?

33 posted on 12/04/2011 7:19:09 AM PST by txnuke
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Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.
34 posted on 12/04/2011 7:26:54 AM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: txnuke

Nobody knows the day or the hour of His return, but likewise, the world will not end until everything He has pronounced is fulfilled.

Of course the western hemisphere really isn’t addressed in Scripture, so it isn’t impossible that by His grace, He reminds the rest of the world of an impending Great Tribulation by making an example of His wrath upon those who attack His Plan. Nothing says the Americas won’t get severely rearranged in the near future.


35 posted on 12/04/2011 7:28:37 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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;') [singing] two thousand uno du'os party over says the lights of heaven /
tonight i'm gonna party like it's two thousand eleven
December 20, 2012

36 posted on 12/04/2011 7:28:37 AM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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37 posted on 12/04/2011 7:28:54 AM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


38 posted on 12/04/2011 7:29:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

***Let’s hope they’re like the alien in “E.T.,”***

ET phoned home, went home and brought his masters back to earth in THE WAR OF THE WORLDS.


39 posted on 12/04/2011 8:17:50 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is no question that 2012 is going to be the end of the world. But only for one of two groups. It could end and likely will for Obama supporters. OTOH, there is at least some possibility that it will end for the Freepers. We should know for sure which group survives by early November 2012.


40 posted on 12/04/2011 8:50:55 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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