“Corked submarines” isn't taught like that either, nor does it have anything at all to do with the lost tribes arriving here, not one bit. But you keep writing the jokes, someone will listen. Apparently there's a big audience who refuse to actually learn what the Church teaches before creating talking points. Keep up the great work. /s
You were correct about the tribes of Israel, but only partially. The LDS believe that a remnant of the Tribe of Joseph (one of the 12) broke off and came over to the Americas.
From the sound of it, you might enjoy a subscription to the NY Times.
Nice try to mischaracterize ... I’ve studied your religion extensively, Rip, and I’ve never seen the “all” either. HOWEVER, your own peepstone founder and subsequent leadership have taught that the Creator God had to earn the attributes of godhood and be appointed god ober the Earth, then sire the Mormonism jesus and satan, etc, and that the mormonism jesus had to earn the attributes of godhood to be one of three gods over the earth. Oh, and yes, they also taught that a few of the best, most righteous living mormonism adherents would inherit their own planet and be gods over the inhabitants thereof.
Well, at least its not Scientology. lol.
Rip; there is a BUNCH here that KNOW what the Church 'teaches' and, shall we say, it is INADEQUATE for a person; yes, even a MORMON; to fully evaluate the claims of MORMONism, by listening ONLY to 'what the CHURCH teaches'.
Then in 40 years you haven’t been listening.
Becoming a god of your own planet is a big deal in lds.
Maybe you should actually study what lds is founded on and stop listening to the PR campaign.
I lived with my lds family for long time and went to ward with them and never once heard the name of Jesus mentioned.
I heard a lot of really strange stuff, I heard a lot of back biting, I heard a lot of ridiculing Christians, I heard a lot of really weird and unBiblical stuff.
Are you sure your are lds?
Yet none of the native Americans have any genetic links to Semitics
Yet none of the Native Americans have a language that is even remotely related or linked to any Semitic language
Yet there is no word history of Semites in the Americas
Yet there is zero, absolutely zero archaeological evidence for the great Semitic cities that are mentioned in the Book of Moron
Yet there is no archaeological proof for Old World technology in pre-Columbus America
Bottom-line, the book of Mormon is a bad piece of fiction and Mormonism is like an older version of Scientology, only with things proven false like the Book of Abraham (actually the Egyptian book of the dead honoring the god Anubis) and "Reformed eGyptian" (a fake language and one that is illogical for a Semitic speaking people who had left Egypt centuries before this supposed journey to the Americas to revert to)
Talking points? Hardly...
“As man is, God once was, as God is man may become” (Lorenzo Snow, 5th “President” of the church)
“...and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings, and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power.” (Joseph Fielding Smith ed, Teachings of The Prophet Joseph Smith, 346-47). Note the capital G in “Gods”.
In his book: A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, after quoting Doctrine and Covenants, 132:4-6, 15-17, 19, 212, LDS Apostle Le Grand Richards writes:
From this revelation, it will be seen that men can become Gods and enjoy a “fullness and a continuation of the seeds fore ever and ever,” only by observing the new and everlasting covenant of marriage. . . . (Again, capital G in “Gods”.)
LDS General Authority and LDS Apostle, Bruce R. McConkie states:
Exaltation grows out of the eternal union of a man and his wife. Of those whose marriage endures in eternity, the Lord says, “Then shall they be gods” (D. & C. 132:20); that is, each of them, the man and the woman, will be a god.3 As such they will rule over their dominions forever (Mormon Doctrine, 613; cf. 257).
Doctrine and Covenants, 132:20 reads: “Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.”
In his book: Doctrines of Salvation, under the subject: ALL EXALTED MEN BECOME GODS, tenth President and Prophet, Joseph Fielding Smith teaches
To believe that Adam is a god should not be strange to any person who accepts the Bible. When Jesus was accused of blasphemy because he claimed to be the Son of God, he answered the Jews: “Is it not written in your law, I said Ye are gods? . . . Joseph Smith taught a plurality of gods 2 and that man by obeying the commandments of God and keeping the whole law will eventually reach the power and exaltation by which he also will become a god (97-98; emphasis added).
http://www.christiandefense.org/mor_exaltation.htm
If you are one of the over 30 FREEPERS getting a ping to this post (not counting a few extra FI I pinged), that means you posted on this thread and you get to see firsthand how a Mormon apologist goes about obscuring true historical/theological information about their religion.
Notice Ripliancum's scolding of Livius:
He uses personal anedotalism to project to what all lds leaders have said about this matter -- re: Will Mormon grown-up people-gods be gods of their own planets?
Rip sandwiches that anecdotalism around a "scold" ("Educate yourself") and wraps it up with an implication that Evangelicals are lying/exaggerating/fill-in-the-blank -- all for the supposed purpose of talking-point agendas.
Now let's compare what Ripliancum, the Mormon apologist says, to what one of his religion's ultimate authorities...the 10th "Prophet" of the Mormon church, Joseph Fielding Smith, said on this exact matter:
“To become like him we must have ALL the powers of godhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an EARTH LIKE THIS ONE WE ARE ON and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fullness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and HAVE JURISDICTION OVER WORLDS, AND THESE WORLDS WILL BE PEOPLED BY OUR OWN OFFSPRING. WE WILL HAVE AN ENDLESS ETERNITY FOR THIS."
Source: Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 2:48, as cited by The Mormon Church’s annual Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, 1978-79, p. 131
Another Mormon "prophet," the nephew of Joseph Smith, in a 1971 book published by the highest-ranking publishing house in the Mormon church -- The First Presidency -- labeled such female goddesses as "anointed queens" who would "be the mothers of spirits" (Joseph F. Smith, Gospel Doctrine 2:257). The Mormon church officially sanctioned this book in another of their published books in 1996.
May I suggest, Livius, that you request an "apology" from Ripliancum over his distortion? And, Rip, as an Evangelical, I request you apologize to us as a group for reducing this to a "talking point" status. I own the 5-book Joseph Fielding Smith DOS series. Unlike Mormons like yourself, I can read for myself, Rip. Unlike your assumptions about us, I don't have to borrow "talking points" exchanged from one Christian to another.
And unlike far too many Mormons who fail to read what Christian authors write, I actually bother to read what Mormon leaders have written.
ALL: We don't know if Ripliancum was distorting this due to...
(a) Simple Ignorance
(b) Or something more willful [if (b), that means this Mormon -- Ripliancum -- either has tossed Joseph Fielding Smith under the bus as a "prophet" in knowing ANYTHING what he was talking about re: the other world or worlds, or perhaps Rip just 100% closes his ears to what his general authorities have to say at two general conferences each year...'cause NONE of what they say is "canonized" Mormon "scripture," either!]
Rip, are you going to come clean on this? Or will you make this a pivotal point where your credibility goes under and won't resurface on this forum?