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I just signed a petition to ban this 'smart meter' in my city. I am APALLED at the dangers! (Not to mention the "Invasion of Privacy", covered by the Fourteenth Amendment to our Constitution!)

I know the article is long - but please read it all - you will be shocked at what is happening to our very homes, today!

1 posted on 09/02/2011 6:41:09 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: tiapam; GailA; jaycee; oldteen; MEG33; Jim Robinson; LUV W; ConorMacNessa; JustAmy; Diver Dave; ...

I think I am going to be sick...............


2 posted on 09/02/2011 6:45:31 PM PDT by yorkie
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I’m surprised the AG in CT is against them. I remember back in late July during the big heat wave, people who had them were complaining that it kept their AC off for hours at a time, making the house get into the mind to upper 80’s.


5 posted on 09/02/2011 6:49:11 PM PDT by matt04
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There’s been one of these on my house for quite a few years now.
I can’t seem to remember if it is on the gas or electric.
I would go look but it’s dark outside and the boogy-man might get me.


7 posted on 09/02/2011 6:51:44 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Proud to be a small monthly donor.)
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There are a good many people who think EMFs are bad for your health.

However, we are subjected to all kinds of EMFs and broadband wireless signals all the time. As wireless networks and other wireless tech grows in popularity, there is more and more of it.

Unless somebody can explain why, I don’t understand why smart meters should be considered more dangerous than similar radiation from other sources.


8 posted on 09/02/2011 6:51:47 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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Belief in the Constitution as written makes a person right-wing, by today's definition.

9 posted on 09/02/2011 6:54:02 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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The author appears to be confused about the difference between AMR meters and ‘smart meters’. That notwithstanding, AMR meters emit no more EMF then WiFi - since it is basically WiFi. I am opposed to ‘smart meters’ but have no problem with AMR meters.


11 posted on 09/02/2011 6:59:20 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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Having so called smart meters is a good thing, Utilities have been replacing and out sourcing meter readers for 10 years. It saves the utility money and should provide the customer with more knowledge and control of their power usage. What shouldn't be done it funding the transition to smart meters with tax money.

BTW do you use a cell phone, or do you have wireless wifi or blue tooth connection(s)in your home? Do you have a automatic garage door opener? If you do, what the heck are you complaining about?

13 posted on 09/02/2011 7:01:10 PM PDT by WHBates
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Dear Lord there is so much doom out-there, and now your telling me OG&E is out to kill me??

That's doom over-load...pardon the pun.

I really like OG&E...one of the best power companies on the planet!
15 posted on 09/02/2011 7:01:51 PM PDT by CaptSkip
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How come I can only find the name „Volter Hertenstein“ on a mere seven websites on the whole WWW . . . ?
19 posted on 09/02/2011 7:09:29 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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There is only one antidote to the EMF. Chew on aluminum foil - particularly where you have fillings. That sensation is the bad EMF force being purged from your body. If you don't have fillings not sure what you do.

/sarc off

20 posted on 09/02/2011 7:09:36 PM PDT by !1776!
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To: Randy Larsen

I can’t reply to your post, for some reason........ It takes me back to the beginning of the article.

But, Randy - here is some information I got tonight:

“Smart Meters” violate the law and cause endangerment to residents by the following factors:

1. They individually identify electrical devices inside the home and record when they are operated causing invasion of privacy.

2. They monitor household activity and occupancy in violation of rights and domestic security.

3. They transmit wireless signals which may be intercepted by unauthorized and unknown parties. Those signals can be used to monitor behavior and occupancy and they can be used by criminals to aid criminal activity against the occupants.

4. Data about occupant’s daily habits and activities are collected, recorded and stored in permanent databases which are accessed by parties not authorized or invited to know and share that private data.

5. Those with access to the smart meter databases can review a permanent history of household activities complete with calendar and time-of-day metrics to gain a highly invasive and detailed view of the lives of the occupants.

6. Those databases may be shared with, or fall into the hands of criminals, blackmailers, law enforcement, private hackers of wireless transmissions, power company employees, and other unidentified parties who may act against the interests of the occupants under metered surveillance.

7. “Smart Meters” are, by definition, surveillance devices which violate Federal and State wiretapping laws by recording and storing databases of private and personal activities and behaviors without the consent or knowledge of those people who are monitored.

8. It is possible for example, with analysis of certain “Smart Meter” data, for unauthorized and distant parties to determine medical conditions, sexual activities, physical locations of persons within the home, vacancy patterns and personal information and habits of the occupants.

Do I want the data base of my daily living available to a hacker that wants to know how many times I flush my toilet - or have sex? Of COURSE not!

I am going to call my electric company first thing Tuesday morning (Monday is a holiday) and forbid them from installing this. AAAAaaaargh!


24 posted on 09/02/2011 7:43:30 PM PDT by yorkie
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Is this for real? Don’t tell me you believe that the smart meters are killing you. I’ll bet that you also believe the mercury in the vaccine is causing autism and CO2 is causing globull warming.


25 posted on 09/02/2011 7:46:20 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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You’re right and you’re wrong: I measured my new “smart meter” that the electric company put in recently and found it gave off 10 milligauss at 6 inches (which IS ALOT), but at 15 feet away there was no measurable reading (it drops at some power [square?] of the distance).

Unless you sleep next to the device, there shouldn’t be any interference. Besides, there’s no scientific consensus that electro-magnetic fields are cancer causing. Several studies on interference of cellphones from Scandanavian countries pointed in that direction, but there are other studies that don’t show any causation.

Cheap cell phones given to little children are another matter. Because children are more susceptible to brain cancer, their walking and talking on cellphones held up against their ear could be a problem. In my testing I’ve found that many of the ugly bluetooth ear receivers eliminate nearly all of the EMF.

I didn’t like the polite but secretive meter reader installing the “new electricity meter” (aka smart meter), but I think the major problem with them would occur when the Democrats shut down power generators and they just cut back your electricity fait accompli.

I’d focus more on getting away from the grid and getting little kids to wear those Bluetooth ear receivers and to not get scoliosis by carrying 200 pound school book bags.

Good gaussmeters can be bought for around $100. Mine is made by AlphaLab in Utah. Its a lot of fun to measure friend’s microwave cookers, old electric typewriters, cellphones. When bored, you can always put it on your car’s dashboard and drive under the big power lines and watch the meter peg.


34 posted on 09/02/2011 8:22:40 PM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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Oh. Dear. God. Not another tinfoil-hat smart-meter hate thread.

Look, I design them for a living. No, they won't hurt you. Yes, you are anonymous. No, people can't spy on you through the electric/gas/water meter.

Any questions?

38 posted on 09/02/2011 8:29:33 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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to heck with the sickness, the invasion of privacy and command and controll are now complete. Personally I think they all should be monkeywrenched.


39 posted on 09/02/2011 8:31:24 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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Paranoia tends to cause one to focus attention on low-probability outcomes while ignoring immediate dangers that are right up front.

"Smart Metering" means that your electric bill is going to increase in a very unpredictable manner up to several times your present cost. Leave air conditioning on during one critical hour in the afternoon, and watch your monthly bill get 500% higher. The "discount" that the electric company offers you to sign up for this program will vanish in a day.

To mitigate the unstable billing problem that the smart meter system creates, you will have the option to sign up for the "Peak Demand Management" program. That program will mean installing outlet controllers on your refrigerator, air conditioner, electric dryer, and other major appliances. Those controllers will shut off appliances when the power company sends the appropriate commands to them through the smart meter system. You are not allowed to remove or override the controllers, and the system tracks individual appliance usage by short time intervals.

The smart meter is merely a gateway for the commands and data transfers coming from the central control system

What could possibly go wrong? Hmmmmm....

The major electric utility in this state made a trial deployment of smart meters to selected households, chosen at random. The selected households were not given any choice in this matter. Now the company wants a general rate increase to cover the 30 million dollar cost of the trial, so even the nonparticipants are going to pay.

Most of the smart meter participants would prefer to go back to the more predictable kw-hour rate structure. It is not clear whether that will be allowed.

I do not mean to cast the utility company as the villians here. These programs are being heavily pushed by municipal, state, and federal officials. Instead of more power generation they would prefer centrally managed demand limitation.

The basic smart meter is a cost savings to the utility company and does not harm the customer. Peak rate pricing, enabled by the smart meter will raise unendurable havoc with customer utility budgets. The "Peak Demand Management Controllers" deployed as a follow-on will as expensive to deploy as creating new power generation and will function essentially as "managed blackouts" for each household.

In the end we will need more electric power sources anyway.

It would probably be less expensive to simply build some new power plants and make small rate increases. That direction does not appeal to the government.

53 posted on 09/02/2011 10:12:56 PM PDT by flamberge (Would you like fires with that?)
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The article contains a lot of anecdotal evidence but very few documented facts.Although I agree the so called smart meters are a problem, I don't think this is a very good argument against them and would not stand up against the pro micro-managers in a debate. But hey, I'm just a plumber.
54 posted on 09/02/2011 10:48:31 PM PDT by WePledge (Ich werde fur immer ein Hollenhund werden. Semper Fidelis)
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Looks like the Amish will get the last laugh after all!


57 posted on 09/03/2011 1:06:57 AM PDT by Boogieman
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(((((Thank you for the Ping)))))


72 posted on 09/03/2011 6:15:57 PM PDT by Kitty Mittens (To God Be All Excellent Praise!)
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