The CW2 Cube: Mapping the Meta-terrain of Civil War Two.
Thanks for posting in full.
Yes, it’s already too late. To paraphrase...”Hang on, we’re in for a bloody ride.”
She is the only one, and they all know it.
In my opinion we are FUBAR’ed.
I don’t believe it’s too late.
As long as there is breath left it is not too late.
But it is going to be a difficult thing to do when the “entitlements” are adjusted as they will have to be.
As you said, there are people in this country who think they can (and do) demand that they be given everything they need to live ... housing, food, health care, education etc and when any of this is denied them they will have no recourse but to complain and riot.
A lot of them are not equipped to provide any of this for themselves, would have no idea of what to do if they had to.
It will be a difficult time to get through but given the proper people running things it can be done and I hope it is.
What we the people have to do is find suitable leadership to accomplish it.
I assume that you were not around as an integrated adult during the race/right/war/anti-everything civil violence of the fifties, sixties and early seventies. Or for the days of 20% mortgages and seemingly endless unemployment. Or the truly ugly culture wars that opened the gates and led us here. Or the changing of the US to a drug culture. Or the changing of the US to a welfare culture (for some).
We have been through much worse. We will get through this.
Yeah, it is too late. And the reason I think so is that most of the people who scream about cutting off entitlements are, in some sense, living off entitlements themselves. And none really willing to give an inch. No consensus, no compromise, no sharing the burden, no accord. Done.
My brother works for the government and he says he hates it, but feels trapped. Rejoin the private sector and hope for a job with McDonald’s or Walmart? Not going to happen.
Cut back on government employees. Cut back on all the “main” entitlements. What are these people going to do to try and survive? Get a job? There aren’t any jobs. It is a lose lose situation for the rich and the poor and me. Stuck in the middle. We have a disaster plan. Hope it will be enough.
I don’t think too many will disagree with your candidate of choice. Even if she isn’t their first, second or even third choice,most know she is one to put up a good fight.
Now on to the thesis. Obama is a symptom of a much greater problem- a dependency class who votes themselves perks and promises instead of freedom. Any one candidate won’t fix that, but we at least have to hope for a candidate (like Palin, Cain, or Perry) who has shown they aren’t afraid to not be politically correct and say it like it is versus just pander.
The real challenge, how do we change the minds and hearts of the fifty or so million who voted for obama or the hundreds of millions who vote based on who gives them what?
- Certain segments of the populace have been thoroughly indoctrinated into the idea that they have an unnumerated but unalienable right to a standard of living well beyond that to which honest labor would provide, and;
- A large portion of those segments of population have found violence and disruption to be an appropriate and successful way of getting their grievances redressed, even when those grievances are based on ignorance, prejudice, or desire to gain at others' expense, and;
- A large number of liberal elites have found inciting those aforementioned segments of population to be a successful tactic for forwarding their interests in counter to those of the republic, therefore;
If 0 doesn't make the cut, we should all probably victual up, hunker down, and lock and load.
I agree that we are too far gone. We are awash in multiculturism, generational entitlement cultures, and now it seems the beginnings of outright racial conflict, no matter how the media and the politicians try to spin it.
We have MILLIONS of able bodied in this country who have never worked an honest days work in their life and neither did their parents. Nor will their children. They do not have a work ethic to pass on nor did they receive one. They have learned to live on the forced charity (taxes) of others while demanding even more. Their ethics and mores are completely the polar opposite for a successful society. Adopting it or even acknowledging it is folly and has been the undoing of many.
We have allowed ourselves to be invaded by foreign cultures and religious cults who have absolutely no intention of leaving or assimilating. In fact, they contain revolutionaries whose express desire and mission is to bring this nation low.
The present and near future are lost, it’s time to think how the face of the nation will look after the great upheaval. I expect that everything we know will change. Whatever may come, we MUST remember how we got here and NEVER fail again.
Too late you ask… America didn’t become the greatest country on earth by itself. Faith and prayer in ‘The Almighty’ brought His gifts upon us. By His rewards the United States of America became what she … was.
Remember we live in a fallen world, Satan’s world. It’s only by faith in Christ that we shall be saved, both here and in eternal heaven.
An act of God could prevail and give us our country back. You’re so right… it’s up to us.
We HAVE TO elect a strong Republican President that will wield the “veto” pen, and appoint Federal Agency Administrators that will reverse the thousands of regulations being written to “transform this country” into a dictatorship. Obama wasn’t kidding. He may be on vacation, but he’s appointed people to get the job done, on a day to day basis, to bring this country to its knees.
The left intends to rule and would rather burn the house down than let go of the levers of power. We have to learn that we cannot change the course of America against this type of domestic enemy unless we are willing to face cities burning and overt sabotage by those elements of government controlled by the left.
Of all the threads I read today, the mood here is quite solemn.
“Will we restore our nation, or slide over the precipice into historical insignificance?”
I’m becoming more and more pessimistic. We can’t even get into a discussion about SS here on FR without someone saying “I paid into it and that money better not be taken away from me by insignificant COLA increases.” I’m not worried that liberals are trying to take this country down. Am am worried that people who call themselves conservative don’t know what it will take to keep it going.
Just today I had someone here on FR say to me that tax cuts not matched by spending cuts were just fine with him because “it’s still a good thing when people get to keep more of their own money regardless of what happens on the other side in DC.” I mean my goodness.
The future hasn't been written yet. The country is in a big hole, but *currently* the world is willing to tolerate that, in exchange for status quo that fits their needs.
If we get a President that is good, and the Congress that is good, then the trend can be reversed. The USA is a large country, with plenty of resources and with population that is well educated (some of it, at least.) Anyone on FR could come up with a 10 or 20 year recovery plan that will stabilize and eventually pay the debt.
But as things are, nobody in power is willing to even try those measures. It looks like the government and the Congress are high on drugs as are steering the country, giggling uncontrollably, into the abyss. If for some unfathomable reason the populace comes to its senses and elects a President who is smart, tough and loves the country, then this President will be bound in red tape and made ineffectual. If that President starts wiggling in those bonds, her life may be at risk (just ask JFK.)
Considering all that, I tend to reluctantly agree that the state of FUBAR is coming. In some aspects of life it is already here; for example, the justice system is already unusable - the citizens ARE afraid to call the police, but the criminals are NOT afraid of the police. Black is white.
There are many books and movies that depict possible future anarchy. I fear that they are all right. Lacking the desire for survival, the society moves toward the catastrophe inch by inch. Reduction of entitlements will be the tipping point. So far the government keeps shoveling money, more and more of it, into the maw of the entitlement demon. But eventually it will run out of money, or the demon decides that he wants more still. You can't keep him sated forever - there is not enough resources on the whole planet to feed and house a hundred million people who produce nothing but want to consume everything.
Unfortunately, I'm afraid we're headed for a time of great tribulation not only in America but worldwide. I think this is it, as much as I wish it weren't.
I believe in continuing to fight the good fight but also to prepare for God's plan being different from our plans, at least for the near term.
As Beck said today at Restoring Courage in Israel, "Gang, we're on a freeway and there's a bridge out and we've passed all the exits (paraphrasing)."
Our last exit IMO was to use the debt ceiling as a lever to reduce federal spending. We failed miserably and succeeded in further dividing the nation.
Those who make it through this will see the birth of a new age with the expansion of the founder's ideas on liberty, freedom and Divine guidance and probably much, much more.
Pray that God cuts the days of tribulation short as promised in Mathew 24:22.
One more comment.
I think what has been lost is the concept of natural law. That there is a law of human relationships that is just as real as any other law of nature.
Many, many people don’t know that to get something done you can’t do yourself, you find someone who can do it, be nice, shake their hand, discuss the job, negotiate the payment, say thank you when the job is done and pay with a smile on your face.
Conversely many, many people don’t know that to get money you find someone who is willing to pay for what you can do, be nice, shake their hand, discuss the job, negotiate the payment and say thank you when they pay with a smile on their face.
That basic human interaction has been lost. Too many think you “demand payment” and stop the person with money from going anywhere else.
Add on to that progressivism which tries to replace what happens naturally with some imposed system and you have a group of politicians whose relationships (and reality) depend on something entirely different than natural relationships. These people simply don’t have one clue as to what a free and fair world is like. They don’t know it and they don’t want it.
With the debt spiraling out of control in the next three to six years, something new will come about. The ways of today must go away. I have no idea what will replace it but I’m sure that in some way those who produce must have more influence than those who don’t. It probably won’t involve proportional representation.
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