Posted on 08/16/2011 5:25:02 AM PDT by expat1000
Some questions have been raised about Rick Perry's views on Islam. Islamic infiltration into American politics means that every candidate deserves close scrutiny. My purpose is not to attack Perry, but to conduct a preliminary discussion of the subject. Pamela Geller and Debbie Schlussel have written their own articles, which add more pieces to the puzzle. As with every candidate, the discussion will go on as more materials are brought forward.
Perry at the signing of the Texas Halal Law First of all it's important to recognize that the Rick Perry question, is also the Chris Christie question, it's the question that comes with every governor from a state with a large and politically active Muslim population. This question will have more serious implications as the size of the Muslim population expands even further.
The multicultural pandering that used to be associated with the Tammany Hall political machine has become second nature in American politics. There is hardly a governor who does not pay lip service to diversity or do roundups of all the religious groups in America. That's an unfortunate reality.
The initial good news is that Rick Perry did not try to influence the judicial system on behalf of a member of a terrorist organization, or appoint a terrorist Imam's political affiliate to a superior court judgeship the way that Christie did.
The worst thing he seems to have done is played footsie with the Aga Khan and appointed one of his people to the State Health Council. He also seems to have met with a group of black clergy, which included a Nation of Islam minister, and made the usual trips to Dubai to talk up trade and academic exchanges.
Then there's the Texas Halal Law, which makes it a criminal offense to sell Halal and non-Halal meat in the same store, without specifically labeling the two, and of misrepresenting non-Halal meat as being Halal. In theory that's not such a big deal. Similar laws are on the books for Kosher meat. But the problem comes with the definition of what Halal is.
"Halal," as applied to food, means food prepared and served in conformity with Islamic religious requirements according to a recognized Islamic authority.
That comes from the bill's definition. And it raises the question of who is recognized as an Islamic authority. HB 470 leaves that question open. But in a dispute over which Islamic definition of Halal to use, the State of Texas would be forced to rule on a question of Islamic law. And to enforce that law. Texas would become an enforcer of Sharia.
The Texas Halal Law was lobbied for by Mohamed Elibiary and his Freedom and Justice Foundation and is quoted in a recent article about their positive relationship with Perry. Elibiary has spoken at an event honoring the Ayatollah Khomeini and recommends the writings of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. Last year he wrote an op-ed warning against assassinating Al-Qaeda leaders. And of course he's busy educating Americans about Sharia.
At the signing, Perry made a point of thanking Imam Bakhash for all that he does. Bakhash also appears to be one of the judges on the Texas Islamic Court, whose decisions have been upheld as binding by Texas appellate courts.
Then there's Perry's friendly relationship with Farouk Shami, who has a rather ugly background when it comes to Israel, and who suggested that 9/11 might be a conspiracy. He is the Palestinian in the Perry quote mentioned below.
Believe it or not, all this is the good news. It's a sad commentary on the state of Islamic infiltration that this is business as usual in state politics. The bad news is that this means Perry's as bad on Islam as George W. Bush. Maybe worse.
Like most of the world’s major religions, the Islamic faith preaches peace, love and tolerance. Indeed, terrorism is the antithesis of the basic tenet to which the one billion Islamic followers all over the world adhere.
The Koran teaches that “whoever killed a human being, except as punishment for murder or other villainy in the land, shall be regarded as having killed all mankind; and that whoever saved a human life shall be regarded as having served all mankind.”
The heartfelt condolences and overtures of cooperation that have been offered by Islamic communities in Texas portray the true spirit of Islam.
That's from a post 9/11 editorial. And it's echoed elsewhere. Perry's views haven't changed since. Witness this NPR piece from last year.
The governor of this swiftly changing state works to take a nuanced approach to a minority group that’s been very much at the center of the news. "We have a huge Muslim community in the state of Texas," he says, and many of these Muslims are "great businessmen and women, very good supporters of mine. ... We are an incredibly diverse state. I sell it as part of our strength."
Perry was asked if he was comfortable with the way that some people talk about the problem with terrorism — their concern to say that the real problem is “Muslims" or "Muslim countries."
"The radicalization of Islam is a great concern," Perry said. "Islam of and by itself is one of the great religions, along with Christianity and Judaism." He recalled meeting one of the Democratic candidates for Texas governor in the recent election. "He’s a Palestinian. And he and I were having a conversation about Ground Zero. How do you deal with this? He said, well, it’s pretty easy. He said, 'Build a synagogue, a temple, and a church there. And bring these people together.'"
How problematic is this? Again this is Bush territory. It's insipid and dangerously ignorant. It's one thing to hear it from the governor of a state with a sizable Muslim population. But it's inappropriate for a president. And yet it's also inevitable.
As some have pointed out, Perry is pro-Israel. So was Bush. It didn't stop him from toadying to Saudi Arabia and Abbas, or from pressuring Israel to make concessions to terrorists during his second term. It's possible to be pro-Israel and pro-Islam. And when the scales are weighed, then Islam comes first. If you doubt that, go look at what happened when Bush was pressured by the Saudis.
But this isn't about Israel. It's about Islam. Specifically it's about addressing the threat of Islamic terrorism.
Perry has pandered on Mexican illegal immigration and on Islamic terrorism, as Bush did before him. Will he keep it up once he gets elected the way that Bush did? Hard to say, but the odds are good that he will.
Some will note that this article is not particularly harsh compared to my original piece on Christie. And with good reason. There's no fundamental breach here, just a slow erosion of ideas and values. But there's a larger reason too.
Christie's position as US Attorney and his role in prosecuting terrorists meant that he knew exactly what he was doing. And he did it anyway. For all his smirking and bellowing, that's the unforgivable thing.
I don't know how much Perry knows or understands. Which is the larger reason why I'm not harshly attacking him for what he did and said at the state level. A slow trickle of criticism may move him to the right, better than a complete rejection. Pandering to Muslims was part of Texas politics. But he's running for nationwide office in a country where Muslims are less of a political force than they are in his state. That may give him more freedom to break with the past.
Perry and Farouk Shami The very fact that two Texas governors have done it this way suggests that the entire political path to the top is badly contaminated. That it's easier to pander than to take a stand. But while I keep comparing Perry to Bush, and this is a personal view, I don't read the same sincerity in Perry, that I did in Bush. There's too much showmanship and I'm not sure who the man underneath is. He may be more to the right, he may be more to the left, or he may not care at all. As the race continues, it may be easier to get a read on him. Maybe.
The last four years are a reminder that we could do worse than Bush II, but maybe we could do better. With Perry in the race, the two frontrunners, Romney and Perry will be clones of each other. Two aggressively business oriented governors with no real interest in protecting American manufacturing or resisting the Islamization of America. One of whom looks like a Tea Party friendly populist, but more in style than in substance.
Perry may shoot a gun into the air, but his rhetoric is the same old Compassionate Conservatism. He may be more authentically Texan than Bush, but the substance of his ideas is the same. NAFTA, education for illegal aliens, and Islam is a great religion.
Whatever we say and do, he may be the inevitable candidate. The man who merges the strongest points of Huckabee and Romney into one populist friendly package. Who sells a pro-business compassionate conservatism that comes off as a low pain alternative to Obama. But before that it might not be such a bad thing to pore over the details of his record in office.
Perry is certainly an improvement on Obama. But in a race where Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, Palin and Gingrich have spoken out about the dangers of Islam-- everyone is gathering to cheer a man who celebrates it. Is this what the struggle of the last 3 years comes down to? Did we go through all this just to put Bush era policies back into office?
I hate this kowtowing to Islam! Worse still is THE CHURCHES kowtowing to Islam! They’re no longer Christian when they do that.
Paul said if anyone brings you a gospel other than the one we brought you, LET HIM BE ACCURSED!
Perry at the signing of the Texas Halal Law
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What halal law ???
Whats America doing with a halal law ???
Do we have a Kosher law ???
Do we have a Chow Mein law ???
How about Spagetti ???
That has to be a protected food ...
and plain-meat-and-potatoes..
The Brits will burnt down the town if we dont have a law...
“With Perry in the race, the two frontrunners, Romney and Perry will be clones of each other.”
NOT
Some of your conclusions are ridiculous. 2+2 = 5
There are similar laws for Kosher.
This guy is a jackass.
""It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." Patrick Henry
“He may be more authentically Texan than Bush, but the substance of his ideas is the same. NAFTA, education for illegal aliens, and Islam is a great religion.”
Very problematic for me. I get the impression Perry wants to be all things to all people. I want someone who believes in something and stands up for those beliefs, no matter what.
“New Jersey became the first state to enact a halal consumer protect law when the then Gov. Christine Whitman passed the Halal Food Consumer Protection Act in July, 2000. The aim of the bill was to “prevent consumer fraud in the preparation, distribution and sale of food represented as halal”. Violators of the law were to face on their first offense a $7,500 fine and a $15,000 fine on their second offense.
Similar laws were then signed by seven other states. From 2000 to 2008 Illinois, Minnesota, California, Michigan, Texas, New York, and Maryland signed laws aimed at protecting the Muslim consumer. Just looking at the aims and scope of these laws one would assume that Muslims living in these states are protected from fraud in the name of halal. But that is not the case and halal related fraud is on the rise.”
http://tmofoundation.weebly.com/2/post/2011/03/ik.html
We will become like Europe - just a matter of time.
Also if its going to be halal it must not be touched by infidels...
Therefore only Moslems can at the food processing plants...
I thought that was pre-established?
What's funny is, to my knowledge, none of Perry's opponents have ever brought up any of this tripe against him in any election campaign. (and there's been tons of dirt thrown around, trust me)
And it seems Perry spreads his love around:
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Perry-in-Israel-to-Receive—53135252.html
IF you read the article, you would know that we have kosher laws.
Remember, the article is from the perspective of a Jewish commentator. So there is a bit of salt to be taken with the "accusations."
I am not saying the author is completely wrong and should be ignored. There are too many instances where Islam has infiltrated into our gov't where Christianity has not. But if you compare it to the "infiltration" of Judaism into our laws, Islam has a looooong way to go.
So, why is he getting such support on FR? Isn't this a Conservative website?
At this critical time in our history, real Conservatives need to support a tough Conservative who is not an equivicator on the issues we hold most dear. Our nation's survival depends on us being who we are, the frontline of the Conservative Movement.
Forget favorite son status and the like. Be a Conservative and support a real Conservative!
“Newest entrant into GOP field, Rick Perry, is longtime friend of Israel—and Jesus”
(some quotes from the article)
“Sullum also criticized Perry for seeming to abandon his previous let-the-states-decide view on social issues in favor of amendments to the U.S. Constitution that would outlaw abortion and same-sex marriage everywhere in the country.”
{he was criticized for saying God had called him}
“Nobody criticized Moses for being ‘called,’ ” she said. “The fact that he upholds the Ten Commandments is very important. I like to believe a man of faith has a moral compass.”
No kidding. Considering the U.S. was created on the Judeo-Christian ethic, Jews being involved with our government and Jewish Law from the Old Testament being in part codified into law is not a surprise.
When was the last time the Jews flew jets into a skyscraper and killed thousands? When was the last time Jews beheaded an American contractor on video? When was the last time Jews dragged the mutilated corpses of Americans through their streets?
Islam is a false religion presided over by a false god, and we know who is behind all the false gods. There is a great difference between truth and falsehood. Just a little falsehood has a corrosive effect that we need to guard against.
"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil..." - Isaiah 5:20
In other words, woe to us if we accept the lie of Islam as having any legitimacy whatsoever.
“It’s becoming abundantly clear that Perry is conservative on fiscal issues, but very squishy on other issues such as Islam and illegal immigration. He is not a staunch Conservative on all issues. So, why is he getting such support on FR? Isn’t this a Conservative website? At this critical time in our history, real Conservatives need to support a tough Conservative who is not an equivicator on the issues we hold most dear. Our nation’s survival depends on us being who we are, the frontline of the Conservative Movement. Forget favorite son status and the like. Be a Conservative and support a real Conservative!”
Well said. A lot more than our pocketbook is at stake. Continued uncontrolled immigration, particularly Mohammedan immigration, will kill our society as surely as it is killing the societies of Europe.
Perry is weak on immigration. We can and must do better.
I don't know how any intelligent person, in this day and age, can stand anymore "religion of peace" drivelling out of the mouths of American politicians.
So, why is he getting such support on FR? Isn’t this a Conservative website?
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agreed.
first, a “friend of Jesus”, doesn’t repeatedly quote the Quran with respect, and praise the religion created by a pedophile, who denies the very divinity of Jesus!!!
there is NO common ground.
“Rick Perry quotes the Koran, and praises Muslims and Islam”
http://governor.state.tx.us/news/speech/5156/
second, Perry:
OPPOSES the Arizona law, which only REPEATS federal immigration law on the state level.
supports AMNESTY.
supports the Texas DREAM act!
Perry doubled the budget.
he is a big-government GOPer, who ordered young girls to be given a mandatory vaccine for sexually transmitted disease.
(the opt-out was a joke. it wasn’t permanent, and required perjury in many cases.)
...yet as you say, a big government, pro-Islam, vaccine authoritarian, pro Amnesty and DREAM Act candidate,
is regarded as conservative here ?
(thanks to mnehring for opening my eyes. i had previously told another Texan, that i planned to vote for Perry!)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2764035/posts
Evangelical Rick Perry’s promotion of filtered islamic history is troubling to most American voters!
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WORSE, Perry claims to be a friend of Israel, and didn’t bother to even read that entire verse. it is ONLY DIRECTED AT JEWS !!!
there is a REASON that Muslims NEVER quote the BEGINNING of that verse!!!
“The Koran teaches that “whoever killed a human being, “
HERE is the entire verse. with the missing initial words:
“That is why We laid it down for the Israelites that whoever killed a human being, except as punishment for murder or other villainy in the land, shall be deemed as though he had killed all mankind; and that whoever saved a human life shall be deemed as though he had saved all mankind. — Sura 5:32. “
“We (Allah) laid it down for the Israelites ...”
not for the Muslims!
Muslims are NEVER executed for killing a non-Muslim...
Seems to me that a lot of people talk a big game when it comes to conservatism but throw themselves at the feet of the first big govt RINO to come along.
Squishy “conservatives” are just as much of a problem as liberals.
Are you trying to prove your liberal credentials? Point out an Amish terrorist. Or are you being sarcastic?
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