Posted on 07/31/2011 11:36:22 AM PDT by charlene4
However, there is always the chance that Taitz will be allowed to see the document. My concern is that because the document Obama released has a potential backdoor qualifier as being a potential "abstract", that the "original" document they may be allowed to see will simply be Round Two of the release of the forgery: different enough to start the process all over again and slick enough after learning their lessons and being taught how it's supposed to look by the analysis of the aforementioned experts that it will leave the issue "inconclusive". This time Obama's people are certain to have their typeset correct, stamps in place and all the rest (if Taitz is allowed to see anything).
While the experts Irey and Vogt are very good, as I understand the process they will only be able to make a visual analysis. In short, a visual inspection is almost certain to fail to conclusively prove anything unless Obama's resources are much tighter and more restricted than we might guess - in that case he must be having some sleepless nights.
(Excerpt) Read more at obamafake.blogspot.com ...
Sky, Sordo shows up on every one of these threads to make fun of anyone who doesn’t worship the won. Paid or unpaid he is consistent.
I think I had $22 left after I paid for a plane ticket from Gulfport to Memphis. And after I’d been home about two days I didn’t have anything.
It’s nice to learn there are people here to keep others honest. Thanks for telling me that.
R/Janey
The website acts as if there is still real paper document in a vault. That is unlikely. The documents were likely long ago digitized into digital image library.
It is the digitized image that should be examined - and a source image from the library should be made available.
Also, the supporting records need to validated. This game of photoshopped images needs to come to an end. Full disclosure of all supporting records is required. Included in that is when the 2007 COLB was issued.
Finally, affidavits attesting to the records needs to be signed by all Hawaii officials involved. They need to sign that the images, records, documents, etc. are 100% authentic. Name, date and notarized.
The bc WH posted was copied from a book, that needs to be looked at. I don’t believe it is there, but, that is one doc they need to see.
Checkout this raidio show! Corsi, Taitz, the guy who exposed Brokow, Susan Daniels and more. It is really good!
http://obamafake.blogspot.com/2011/07/amazing-round-table-interview-with-many.html
I want to know why the judge denied discovery to Col. Lakin because the BC would be embarrassing to the President. What he released in April contained the same info as the COLB.
So, what is the embarrassing info his lawyers told the judge about?
“The website acts as if there is still real paper document in a vault. That is unlikely. The documents were likely long ago digitized into digital image library.”
Hawaii officials say that even after digitization in 2001, all original paper copies of birth certificates are intact and kept in bound volumes in Health Department files.
“Obama birth certificate moved to more secure location months ago”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/27/obama-birth-certificate-moved-secure-location-months-ago/
“Finally, affidavits attesting to the records needs to be signed by all Hawaii officials involved. They need to sign that the images, records, documents, etc. are 100% authentic. Name, date and notarized.”
What if Dr. David A. Sinclair who is listed as the birth doctor created a fake birth certificate as a favor to the Obama grandparents and that was done during the first week of August in 1961?
All the affidavits and notarized statements from Hawaii officials that could be put together wouldn’t alter a crime that might have been committed 50 years ago.
“The effort to verify Zero’s shady past is a can’t lose proposition.”
Well, no. Google up the name of the attorney here along with “sanctions”.
“there is always the chance that Taitz will be allowed to see the document.”
Like there’s a chance that I’ll be boxing’s next heavyweight champion of the world.
That said, the point of the article is that if even if Taitz gets access to the original, she needs a competent forensic document examiner, not just some folks who worked in printing. The one legitimate expert Taitz has been citing is Sandra R. Lines, and what Lines said was that to make a determination she’d need the original document. Great. If Taitz thinks she has a valid command to produce the document, hire Lines to do what she does.
Lines is expert in examining physical documents. The only plausible expert in forensic image analysis that I’ve seen comment on the eligibility evidence is Neal Krawetz, who debunked fake expert “Ron Polarik”. P turned out to non-expert, and in this case liar, Ronald Polland. Dr. Krawetz had published on forensic image analysis before Obama’s eligibility was an issue.
The rest is a clown act. What work on forensic analysis can all these other “experts” cite, from before they decided to turn their talents to President Obama’s birth certificate? Near as I can tell — and if I’m wrong please cite — there is none. They are pretending to be experts at forensic analysis on their first try at forensic analysis. I don’t get that. How can one be an expert at doing what he or she has never yet done?
Sandra R. Lines and Neal Krawetz have legitimate claims to expertise; they had published on forensic analysis before they stated their opinions on the issue here. The rest is nonsense.
August 28, 2008
“... FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.”
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/
So, Hawaii officials let FactCheck.org staffers into the secure vault to take photographs, touch and examine Obama’s bound original long form birth certificate?
Did Hawaii officials let FactCheck.org staffers checkout the bound book as if it were a library or did they let them in the vault?
SvenMagnussen: “So, Hawaii officials let FactCheck.org staffers into the secure vault to take photographs, touch and examine Obama’s bound original long form birth certificate?”
Is a little honesty too much to ask, Sven? From the very article you linked:
“Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago.”
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/
Obama’s nativity story is evolutionary.
“Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago.”
Did you see, “Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate?”
August 28, 2008
“... FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.”
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/
So, Hawaii officials let FactCheck.org staffers into the secure vault to take photographs, touch and examine Obama’s bound original long form birth certificate?
Did Hawaii officials let FactCheck.org staffers checkout the bound book as if it were a library or did they let them in the vault?”
Factcheck.org didn’t go to Hawaii at all. They examined and took pictures of a copy of the SHORT FORM COLB from the Obama campaign headquarters. The same copy presumably that Obama ordered from the Hawaii Health Department in 2007.
Here’s what they said in their article: “Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it’s stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.”
http://factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/
You might be interested in hearing the former Hawaii Health Director in her own words discuss the long form, vault copy.
Sorry that you have to watch a commercial before you can see and hear Dr. Fukino.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9D4n6_Uifk
I don't recall seeing any evidence that indicates this. Do you know of such evidence? Point it out to us if you do.
http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/about/facts-about-the-hdoh-official-seal/
Why did Alvin change TXE Seal to a smiley face?
THAT will always convince me that something is wrong.
“Raised Seal?
http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/about/facts-about-the-hdoh-official-seal/
Why did Alvin change TXE Seal to a smiley face?
THAT will always convince me that something is wrong.”
Here’s a picture of what factcheck was talking about:
Scroll down to the third photo:
http://factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/
Alvin T. Onaka is still on the job as Hawaii state Registrar. Somebody should get the answer directly from the “horse’s mouth” about txe and the smiley face. It’s his authentification stamp. And while they are at it, they should submit any evidence of tampering or forgery to a law enforcement agency for further investigation.
“I don’t recall seeing any evidence that indicates this. Do you know of such evidence? Point it out to us if you do.”
The purpose of a subpoena is to obtain evidence to present for the record in a Court proceeding. If the evidence were in the public domain, then there wouldn’t be a need for a subpoena.
Orly should take a Court Reporter with her and ask Ms. Fuddy questions while her document examiners are working.
She could start with, “Why was the original long form birth certificate sealed and archived?”
Depending on Ms. Fuddy’s response, a follow up question should be asked.
Hopefully, Ms. Fuddy will step in it with, “According to our rules and procedures ...”
That’s opens up a request for a copy of the rules and procedures.
I noticed a link to FoxNews posted in the thread earlier that quoted Mr. Onaka as locking Obama’s original long form BC in a lock box inside the vault. Orly could ask Ms. Fuddy to point to the rule and procedure for locking someone’s BC in a lock box inside the vault.
Were other BC’s stored in the lock box with Obama’s BC? What is the procedure for removing someone else’s BC if they requested their original long form BC?
Some great questions! ALL should be answered. I am just wondering since Fuddy *has left the Island* if she will even be back by the 8th.
I give Orly and everyone going with her my Prayers and all my hope for well deserved Victory.
I know the way these sleazy jerks do things from history and they will pull something to thwart the success. Someone posted along the lines of there will be a closed sign on the door reading *closed for funeral. Death of Obama’s Political carreer.* I love it!
The rest is a clown act. What work on forensic analysis can all these other “experts” cite, from before they decided to turn their talents to President Obama’s birth certificate? Near as I can tell — and if I’m wrong please cite — there is none. They are pretending to be experts at forensic analysis on their first try at forensic analysis. I don’t get that. How can one be an expert at doing what he or she has never yet done?
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I do not see a claim as a *Forensic Expert*
Mr. Irey has 50 years in and is considered a Graphic Expert. There are many experts who’s willingness to expend the time and effort in each facet of deciphering this joke of of a BC is needed and certainly appreciated.
I am guessing you would like to know if this copy or abstract is legit. Why would you call it a clown act?
Now if I asked my Grandchildren to look at it and testify it is a sham, that MIGHT be a clown act. I am pretty sure the 7 and 8 yr olds would even say *yep* when they saw TXE smiley face. Of course 7 and 8 yolds are not experts, a man with 50 yrs in Graphics is.
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