Posted on 07/21/2011 3:16:56 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines
Apple, which owned more than 94% of the market in the second quarter last year, saw the iPad’s share slide to 61.3% according to Strategy Analytics. Over the same period of time, Android tablets jumped from a 2.9% share to a 30% share last quarter.
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“If it was account xxxxxxx pimping Microsoft as being conservative”
Swordmaker doesn’t engage in “pimping Apple as being conservative”, he pretty well sticks to technical and business issues. That is, unless Apple is attacked for its supposedly egregious leftist leanings.
I think he and others have made an excellent case in this thread for Apple not even being close to the worst tech offender. Microsoft, Google and their executive teams are far worse.
Don’t go away mad - just go away. ;-)
“Don’t go away mad - just go away. ;-)”
Don’t mention Apples politics..... hush hush
Sorry lib, I won’t go away, I’ll stick it to you and all the leftist, commie, homo lovers who think Al Gore, Jobs, Gates or whoever are *dreamy*
Your on the wrong site, go back to DU, this is FreeRepublic. We speak out against such things, we don’t embrace them and promote them.
Got a problem with that? Ping a moderator, and explain how you are offended that I don’t like liberal companies and you think its unfair that I call out their policies.
Apple is still listed as the 2nd most liberal IT company in America. Jobs (and Gates for that matter) have just been smart enough to stop contributing personally on a federal level, but both contribute HUGE amounts to governor and mayoral dems around the nation. They both suck, and I find it quizzical that any member of this forum, would want to push their products on FreeRepublic.
I take Apples stance personally, as Jobs was heavily involved in promoting Rahm Emanuel here in Chicago last year. I also take it personal that Apple was a very visible sponsor of the gay olympics here in Chicago.
Maybe Jobs isn’t very involved in your neck of the woods, but he works hard here to help the dems and promote the homo agenda, and since I live here, I have to fight that. So, no, I won’t “go away”. Sorry, my nation, my state, my city, and I didn’t serve my country so some lib can tell me “go away” or “deal with it” when it comes to fighting for what I think is right.
People like YOU are the reason this country is where it is, because you are more concerned about videos or music and which player looks best around your neck, than you are about the politics and agenda that these companies promote.
It’s the MTV crowd I guess.
“Don’t mention Apples politics..... hush hush”
I didn’t say that, I said you should be consistent by ranting even more about Microsoft and Google. Reading comprehension problem, redux.
“Sorry lib, I won’t go away, I’ll stick it to you and all the leftist, commie, homo lovers who think Al Gore, Jobs, Gates or whoever are *dreamy*”
Wow, do you ever have a reading comprehension problem. Work on it.
“Got a problem with that? Ping a moderator, and explain how you are offended that I don’t like liberal companies and you think its unfair that I call out their policies.”
Your “contributions” are off-topic, tiresome, and generally without merit.
Whatever floats your boat, but expect the same warm welcome you’ve received every time you’ve wasted our time with your rants.
BTW, as far as me being a “lib”, I’m an active Sarah Palin supporter. I suppose you think she’s a “lib” too?
You are a true genius.
So, you support Jobs, Gore, and Palin. Odd mix.
Well, opinions and perspective differ, so you may take issue with my observations here. That said...
> “Free Republic is a site dedicated to the concerns of traditional grassroots conservative activists” - JimRob
Such concerns are not just political or social -- they include tech businesses (like Microsoft, Apple, Google, etc.), tech markets (computers, mobile devices, etc.), and technical concerns relating to computers (security, updates, troubleshooting, etc.). There is a place for tech threads on FR.
I have commented for years about my regret that there is no "Windows" ping list. ShadowAce's "Tech Ping" covers a little of everything, but tends to emphasize Linux and other *ix lines. Swordmaker has the "Mac" ping list and Apple products generally. Martin Fierro has an "iPod" ping list. Unfortunately I don't have time to maintain one, or I'd have started a "Windows" ping list long ago, simply because we lack one.
I have called for someone with more time than I do to maintain a Windows ping list, numerous times. The answer comes back that no one wants to, that there isn't enough interest, etc. Well, okay, that's a fair enough answer, though I find it strange given that the majority of FReepers must be using Windows. I imagine that in time there will be an "Android" ping list, assuming that platform takes off as it seems to want to.
Mac/Apple users have long been accused (and rightfully so!) of being somewhat more fanatical about their chosen toys, than other computer users. The reason doesn't matter; facts are facts, Apple products generate a lot more interest than most other product lines.
There are something around 500 FReepers on the Mac Ping List. Swordmaker isn't holding a gun to their heads. They're there because, along with the many other interesting things they do on FreeRepublic, they are also interested in news about their chosen toys. Swordmaker maintains that list and pings the member to articles of interest. If list members find Swordmaker's posts undesirable, they leave the list. It's not hard.
You may find that objectionable, but I offer the observation that with hundreds of other FR threads to read every day, it is not doing your blood pressure or peace of mind any good to get worked up about the Mac Ping List or Swordmaker's posts to it. They are serving a legitimate need on FR. You may find them to be "marketing" or "pimping", but to most people it's just news.
As you say, it would be no different if it were about Windows or Android. And yet you didn't have a problem with this thread's article, despite the fact that the "30%" is apparently a carefully misrepresented figure in the article (conflating "shipped" with "sold to end users" in order to come up with the 30% figure). That sort of "marketing" doesn't appear to bother you, coming from the Google/Android fans. Since you claim no bias, I encourage you to look deeper into that claim and see if it holds water.
In any event, I suggest (as I do to many others on FR) that if a particular thread, or group of threads, gives you heartburn, that you simply avoid it/them. That's what I do -- frankly, I avoid probably a quarter of the threads on FR on any given day for that reason -- going through the comments would only serve to tick me off. There's SO much else to read and comment on here. Why spend a lovely day being aggravated?
In good FRiendly spirits, and hoping you have a great day,
Dayglored
I've pinged ShadowAce and Martin Fierro to this since I mentioned them also, but most of my comments were about the Mac Ping List.
And once again, WHO is gonna step up and start a Windows Ping List???
I'm using Windows 7 on four different machines every day, and XP on two, and it sure would be handy to have a WPL going.
> Since you claim no bias, I encourage you to look deeper into that claim and see if it holds water.
I inadvertently mixed two "claims". What I meant was:
"Since you claim no bias, I encourage you to look deeper into their claim of 30% marketshare and see if it holds water."
Sorry if it sounded like I was calling you on bias, that wasn't what I meant.
I have time and time again, told you and others that I have no personal gain by posting or replying on these threads.I am NOT employed by Apple. I do it because I was asked to do it be 540 fellow Freepers who have joined the Mac/Apple/iOS Ping list. YOU characterize me as cherry picking news about Apple. I post negative and positive articles about Apple... I do not cherry pick. I post what is in the headlines. I ping the members of the list to articles posted by others... regardless of the nature of the article... if I am pinged to that article or run across it when I am reading FR. I post to other topics on FR. You may not see them I maintain two other Ping lists not having anything to do with Apple on FR. I respond on here when someone posts MYTHS as facts and post the facts, with links to the facts, to counter the myths, as I did with you. YOU CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THE MYTHS. I can't help that... I can only post the facts and the evidence for those facts. You choose to ignore it and stay ignorant.
I do not know Steve Jobs. Nor did I ever claim to. I did not SAY what you said were my words... you put those words in my mouth, just as you choose to believe the myths and propaganda about Apple. You use the tactics of the strawman, the typical tactics of the troll, putting up things that are untrue so that you can shoot them down easily. Did I say that Greenpeace was conservative? No.
You seldom respond to confrontational posts, until the thread is dead, so you don’t get sacked.
LOL. You haven't got a clue. Ask anyone on the Apple threads who does the responding...
As for Steve Jobs being gay, a Google search of "Steve Jobs Gay" comes up with only anti-Apple stuff from people who make anonymous slurs about Steve... real strong evidence of his "Gayness." You are really a class act to repeat such vile rumors from such strong sources.
As to those who are close to him who have posted and say he has AIDS... POST THOSE SOURCES! They don't exist. No reliable source has claimed such a thing. Again, you chose to believe propaganda over truth... and chose to spread it. I call it BS and called you on it.
You sir, are pimping what many claim to be the 2nd most liberal IT company in America, and you are trying to disguise it as conservative for personal gain.
You are a snake oil salesman of the worst kind.
You cherry pick articles, you cherry pick facts, and you deliberately mislead folks for personal gain.
You seldom respond to confrontational posts, until the thread is dead, so you don’t get sacked.
FreeRepublic, in case you haven't noticed, attracts an adult - not "adult" as in adolescent, but adult - audience.As such it is hardly for any single FReeper - JR always excepted - to presume on this forum that hundreds of other FReepers are so deficient in discernment and that it is easy to transcend their biases and see the truth. Is Swordmaker limited by his own perspective, and unable to see certain things that others do see? I presume so.We are all of us, sir, limited and enabled by our set of prejudices - without which we would scarcely know enough to go to the bathroom rather than behaving as infants. It's not the things that you don't know that really bite you - it's the things you know that just ain't so.
From my POV, you seem ignorant of some of the things on which you project an air of certainty. Although Swordmaker is enthusiastic about the particular digital technology:human interface developing organization known as Apple, Inc, it is certainly untrue to presume that he never posts hostile articles. That, sir, would be fast way to forfeit the respect of his audience, a.k.a. the Apple ping list. This is a forum, just as Talk Radio is a unique format which attracts people who want to hear full discussion of the issues of the day. The Air America vision of "talk radio" fails because it does not allow for respectfully taking on all respectful comers. It cannot do so, because "liberalism" is a patronizing attitude, and in "the long form" that must shine through. And the audience must inevitably become bored and annoyed at the stilted discussion, with 500 pound gorillas in every corner of the room that no one will discuss.If Swordmaker were censoring all negative comments so that they were never expressed, the adults known as FReepers would quickly catch on and walk away. But of course anyone reading his threads is all too familiar with the fact that people such as you are - for whatever reasons - offended by enthusiasm for, and success by, Apple Inc. I can relate to concerns about the "liberalism" of Silicon Valley types, for example - but there it is, and it seems to be near enough to universal that we would have to reduce ourselves to the use of ham radio to communicate if we were to boycott all "liberal" technology companies.
But then, we are swimming in a sea of bias, and we wouldn't be conservative if we had no ability to see through that bias. Journalism as we know it claims objectivity - which is actually proof of the fact that journalists aren't even trying to be objective (if they were, they would be telling us up front what their biases are, rather than denying their existence).
One of the biases of journalism is journalism's predilection for hyping bad news. "If it bleeds, it leads" is not an objective rule, simply a rule for optimizing the entertainment value (hence, the profitability) of the newspaper. And any assumption that the public interest is identical to your own business model is obviously a bias.
The headline reads:
Strategy Analytics: Apple iOS Captures 61 Percent Share of Global Tablet Shipments in Q2 2011"Shipments" do not necessarily equate to "sales", which is what the more informed folk have been saying relating to this thread.
"No single device eclipses the iPad, but as a whole, the Android based units are poised to do to the iPad what they already did to the iPhone - take the market share lead then go on to dominate overall market share."
First of all, we shall see if any gains in market share are transitory or permanent.
Second, if it does happen, it will be like the combination of Yugo, Kia, Nissan, Ford and so on "dominating" overall market share versus BMW.
Actually, I don't see it happening that way because for the same price you can own the BMW (iPad) instead of the Yugo (Xoom). Not only is the Apple hardware design better, the software and app selection are far ahead of the Android alternative.
It also remains to be seen how Android will do with the legal challenges it faces.
What does any of that have to do with the thread in question?
Since the politics of Apple were brought up, those links are clearly relevant.
Ahhh...someone questions the politics of Apple - and you respond by posting links related to MS.
Got it.
Percentages matter, up to a point. You need a certain percentage in order to keep up developer interest to make apps people want and ship enough volume to keep prices competitive.
But anyone who didn’t see this coming was an idiot. There is no way in a free market that one manufacturer can keep 90%+ marketshare for long. It may take a year or more, but eventually the copycats will come along and eat away at that with something resembling serious competition.
Even in these days of ultra-fast Chinese to-market times, it still takes a while to ramp up the copiers. Turns out in this case the hardware wasn’t really the hard part, but the software. That’s a lot harder to copy and not get busted.
That's funny, Apple just surpassed Nokia as the world's top smartphone vendor. You heard it right, WORLD. Nokia has high volume because of all of the cheap, low-profit standard phones.
Perhaps you can read my statement - the one you quoted - again and realize why your response is a strawman.
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