'Irrefutable' proof of Obama forgery

WND ^ | July 16, 2011 | Jerome R. Corsi

[RobinMasters]

NEW YORK – Unless the typewriter used to type Barack Obama's purported Hawaiian "Certificate of Live Birth" in 1961 was magically capable of producing different size and shaped images with the exact same key, the document released by the White House April 27 is a forgery, says a professional typographer with 50 years experience.

"Steel-stamped letters do not expand to larger sizes and morph into different styles of type," retired New York City typographer Paul Irey told WND.

As WND previously reported, it would be impossible for the different letters that appear in the Obama birth certificate to have been typed by one typewriter, according to Irey.

"These are irrefutable proofs of forgery," he said.

His newest analysis suggests the document was assembled from images of letters or words taken from other documents.

"The forger who produced the Obama Hawaii long-form birth certificate may have thought that all typewriter typeface styles were alike," he said.

"To get his letters, the forger must have understood that he needed to copy the old typewriter styles," he continued. "So the forger probably scanned a bunch of old birth certificates, without realizing that the letters in the old files were from different typewriter styles. That's why the letters in the forged document do not match each other."

Irey used as a source document the Xerox copy of the Obama birth certificate the White House press staff handed to the press assembled in the White House pressroom on April 27, as seen in Exhibit 1:

[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

I have noticed a distinctly different trend in the afterbrither responses recently. They no longer even attempt to defend the various Obama “birth certificates” as being legitimate.

What would you have "afterbirthers" do? In one thread like this, a birther posted a link to an archive of scanned documents that demonstrated, he said, what real scans should look like. In about 5 minutes, I found letter pairs on one single page in that archive that were every bit as different as the 'R's on this birth certificate. He said, basically, "No they're not."

The other day I pointed out that you can see exactly the same kind of kerning on the Nordyke BC as birthers claim as evidence on the Obama BC. The response? "No, you can't."

It gets a little tiresome pointing out facts to people who refuse to acknowledge them. There are some legitimate points to raise about the meaning of "natural born citizen" and about exactly why the Obama PDF has the artifacts it does, and a handful of birthers who are able to discuss those without calling people "Obot afterbirthers." But is it any wonder people have started ignoring the ones who can't?

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Do we really want the military asking questions before taking orders?
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Yes, we do especially when there is very good reason to suspect the occupant of White House is a usurper in the post of Commander in Chief and is giving ILLEGAL and INVALID orders to the troops!

It’s called defending the Constitution from domestic enemies. It is called upholding the military honor code.

Usurpers post forgeries. Real presidents would be **HONORED** to promptly prove with the best evidence that they are, indeed, natural born citizens. They would be especially pleased to do this for a member of the military.

Usurpers have multiple social security numbers and use the social security number of a dead man. Real, natural born citizens, have no valid reason to do that.

[DiogenesLamp]

And since I still consider birtherism to be a political threat to advancing conservatism, I'll continue to comment when the inspiration strikes.

My post upthread reflected the seriousness with which I hold this subject...it was a joke...

As are most of your comments and insights. The Threat to conservatism is those among us who tell people to "shut up" without hearing them out. No one would be paying any attention to this issue had it been dealt with forthrightly. It is the continuous use of deception and the invoking of legal technicalities to explain away something simple which ought not require explanation. You may have forgotten, but a man went to prison because the "precedent" didn't see fit to produce his document several years ago.

It was Obama's duty to put this issue to rest years ago. It was his duty to the troops who need to not wonder if their leader is illegitimate. It was his duty to the Nation, so we could concentrate on more important things. It was so simple and costless that it should have never been a matter of consequence, yet for some reason the man has refused to deal with it forthrightly. This is the behavior of a man with something to hide.

And you abet him.

[jh4freedom]

There is no proof that the document put on the White House web site is the document provided by the State of Hawaii to Obama. The original was given to Barack Obama and the document placed on the white house web site has been declared a fraud by literally dozens of document and software experts.

There is a chain of custody problem here and the evidence points to the fact that the document on the White House web site has been tampered with.

“Chain of custody” is as irrelevant as the pdf. image.
If a court or a congressional committee wanted to investigate this issue, they would order a hard copy of the birth record directly from the state of Hawaii. They wouldn’t use internet posted scans or even Obama’s copies.
Hawaii laws allow for a copy of a confidential birth record to be issued to: “a person whose right to examine or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction.” (Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-18(b)(9)

The Director of Health for the state of Hawaii holds regular press briefings. Any member of the media can ask her if there is any difference in data between the document she released and what is on the White House web site.
The information from a birth record that is relevant to Article II, Section 1 eligibility is name, date of birth and place of birth. The other constitutional requirement is 14 years residence in the US. That’s not found on a birth certificate.

In 2008 and 2009, the previous Director of Health issued two media releases concerning the Obama birth record:
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO October 31, 2008
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”

STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D. 7/27/09
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

And the previous Governor of Hawaii also made a statement on May 2, 2010:
“You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Sen. McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. ... It’s been established. He was born here.”
—Governor Linda Lingle

[DiogenesLamp]

We’ll all have to wait and see if anyone does follow through and present a law enforcement agency with credible evidence of forgery. That could launch a grand jury investigation. If the experts are right, there should be enought there to issue indictments.

To the President? Them and what Army? The Head of the FBI would be quaking in his boots if he even THOUGHT he would be directed to arrest a President. Who else you got?

This is a political issue now, and it can only be solved politically. Congress would have to impeach. Before they would do that, they would have to be convinced. Before they could be convinced, they have to COMPREHEND the crime. Before they could comprehend the crime they have to be EDUCATED about the Difference between Presidential Qualifications and This guy that's gotten away with it.

More like everyone will just foot drag till the election because they DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT."

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Should the military be taking sides in issues or debates between the legislature, executive and judicial branches of government? Isn't that how military juntas or military dictators come to power?
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“Sides”? “Sides”? You have me confused with YOUR strawman creation. Go ask him!

So you won't confuse me with YOUR strawman creation, ***MY** position is that the very highest military should seek peaceful and legal **certifiable** clarification of Obama identity and natural born citizenship from the congress and the courts. Do we even know if the man is a citizen at all?

When did IGNORING, upholding, and supporting forgeries, identity theft, social security number fraud, usurpation of the post of Commander in Chief, and election scamming become part of the military code of honor? Is **this** what they teach in our military academies? UNBELIEVABLE!!!

Is **this** how they look out for the troops serving under them? Huh?

Maybe someone can explain to me why these guys don't shrivel in shame when saluting the fraud that steps off Air Force One? Why doesn't lightning strike when they meet with the families of our brave, highly trained, competent, and HONORABLE military men and women?

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Well! Gee!.....Since it is soooooooo straight forward, why did Obama post FORGERIES???

Huh?

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Don't you get weary defending the indefensible?

If Obama is a natural born citizen why on earth would he post FORGERIES???

Unbelievable that you can defend that!

[jh4freedom]

That is an EXCELLENT POINT! Since the document specifically STATES that it is not authenticated, then it is worthless as evidence. In order for it to qualify as Evidence, it MUST have an authentication statement declaring it to be a “True and Correct copy of the Original Record.”

The fact that it does not even claim to be a copy of the original, proves it cannot be used as evidence. Good Job pointing that out jh4freedom!

Here’s what the Hawaii state Director of Health said about the HARD copies of the long form that they issued to Zero:
“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai’i,

“I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai’i.”

“On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama’s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.”
Any court of law or congressional committee wouldn’t use digital scans of the document, they would order brand spanking new hard copies directly from the state of Hawaii.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/News_Release_Birth_Certificate_042711.pdf

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Here you are attempting to explain away the inexplicable!

FACT: IT IS A SIMPLE MATTER TO PROVE ONE”S NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP IN A PROMPT AND STRAIGHT FORWARD MANNER USING THE VERY BEST EVIDENCE! ( Yeah! I am shouting!)

Obama has never done that. Instead he posted crap and the afterbirthers eat it up.

[DiogenesLamp]

I found letter pairs on one single page in that archive that were every bit as different as the 'R's on this birth certificate. He said, basically, "No they're not."

You regard the changes as distinct enough to equal the peculiarities on Obama's document, he doesn't. For me, they are just on the edge of going either way. Not so much the two versions of the letter "t" in the word "Student." They are so distinctly different that I can't conceive of them being produced by different strikes of the same hammer.

Apart from that, Have a go at explaining how resolution and bit depth can change from one character to another in the following example.

It gets a little tiresome pointing out facts to people who refuse to acknowledge them.

I know exactly what you mean.

There are some legitimate points to raise about the meaning of "natural born citizen" and about exactly why the Obama PDF has the artifacts it does, and a handful of birthers who are able to discuss those without calling people "Obot afterbirthers."

I try to give what I get. Civility gets reciprocity. (Maybe with a little "needling." I'm only human. :) )

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My sincerest apologies. I did not read the first sentence. I just that Fukino blather and lost it.

[P-Marlowe]

One question:

Has ANYONE in any official capacity in the State of Hawaii certified that the PDF document posted on the White House website purporting to be Barack Obama’s long form birth certificate is, in fact, an EXACT COPY of the document on file in the Official records of the State of Hawaii?

[DiogenesLamp]

Here’s what the Hawaii state Director of Health said about the HARD copies of the long form that they issued to Zero: “We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai’i,

“I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai’i.”

“On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama’s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.” Any court of law or congressional committee wouldn’t use digital scans of the document, they would order brand spanking new hard copies directly from the state of Hawaii. http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-

Yeah yeah yeah. Her act of piety would be more convincing if she put those words on the document under the states seal instead of affirming that it is just an "abstract of the record." Public pronouncements are not perjury.

The actions of the Hawaii DOH belie their words.

[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

I try to give what I get. Civility gets reciprocity.

Apparently, and I appreciate it.

Have a go at explaining how resolution and bit depth can change from one character to another in the following example.

As I said in the other topic, I don't really know. I don't know what scanner they used, what format they scanned it at or at what resolution, or how they converted it to PDF. I've read that the conversion and optimization process, possibly including OCR, can produce effects like that. And I've seen the birth certificate look very different on my screen, depending on what software I open it in. So I'm not ready to join you in saying that this example is clearcut evidence of a cut-and-paste job, especially given the workflow that theory requires me to accept.

You regard the changes as distinct enough to equal the peculiarities on Obama's document, he doesn't.

Not exactly. I point out that the changes are distinct enough to equal the peculiarities on Obama's document, and he goes "La la la I can't hear you."

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What would you have “afterbirthers” do?
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Admit the following:

FACT: It is a simple matter to promptly prove with the best **certified** and **certifiable** evidence that one is a natural born citizen.

FACT: Obama has never done that. He has posted forgeries.

[jh4freedom]

Don’t you get weary defending the indefensible?
If Obama is a natural born citizen why on earth would he post FORGERIES???

Unbelievable that you can defend that!

I try to post facts. I’ll be impressed when there is an indictment for forgery.

I’ll leave it to the courts and to congress to prosecute or defend, as they might.

I’m a firm believer in the old saying: “If you strike the King, you must kill him.” “King” Barry is not “killed” by faulty research, rumor or innuendo, in fact he is strengthened by every piece of unsubstantiated gossip or flawed findings that is on the internet.

Haven’t you noticed that Zero keeps the birther issue alive because it helps him with his leftist base? The Zero reelection campaign is selling long form birth certificate images on mugs and tee shirts.

[DiogenesLamp]

FACT: IT IS A SIMPLE MATTER TO PROVE ONE”S NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP IN A PROMPT AND STRAIGHT FORWARD MANNER USING THE VERY BEST EVIDENCE! ( Yeah! I am shouting!)

EXACTLY. It is the continuous resort to dishonest and obfuscatory methods that are constantly raising the ire of those of us who do not wish to tolerate such games.

This is a simple issue. If you are legit, produce proof. Not "this piece of paper is just as good", but REAL PROOF. And do it without delay!

The only thing worse than the Con-Man is the ENABLERS of the Con-man.

[DiogenesLamp]

As I said in the other topic, I don't really know.

Was that you I responded to on the other thread? I thought it was Jh4freedom. As near as I can tell, you two are among the more civil of the non-birthers.

Regarding OCR, (Optical character recognition), I cannot comprehend how something which is designed to recognize characters (a useless function when making a copy of something) should alter the characters. OCR was originally developed to convert scanned images of text into ASCII text. Why it would want to create and then tamper with color-bit-mapped output characters makes no sense.

I've read the theory that some software relies on the creation of "tokens" which are represented by the best example of the Character. If it should be that OCR decided to manipulate the data, consistency would require that it do the same with every upper case "R" on the document. All of them should be represented by a 4 times lower resolution pixel map with a bit depth of at least 8. (256 distinct levels of brightness) I will quickly examine the document for another upper case "R." (Imagine Jeapordy music playing now. :) )

There is another capital "R" in the second iteration of the word "BARACK" later in the document. It is distinctly different from the peculiar "R" in the first iteration of "BARACK." It shows no signs of being a different resolution or bit depth.

Either the OCR didn't recognize it as the same character, or it didn't behave consistently. If there *IS* a theory of software that explains this, I would like to hear it.

[DiogenesLamp]

Haven’t you noticed that Zero keeps the birther issue alive because it helps him with his leftist base? The Zero reelection campaign is selling long form birth certificate images on mugs and tee shirts.

Yes, it's all part of a clever plan by a nitwit who can't do anything (else) right.