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'Irrefutable' proof of Obama forgery
WND ^ | July 16, 2011 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 07/18/2011 4:28:59 AM PDT by RobinMasters

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To: DiogenesLamp

“That’s the one that a man was found murdered after he had been known to have rummaged through it.”

I think I read about that deplorable turn of events in Corsi’s book “Where’s the Birth Certificate?”. Since I left my volume, and seven others, to be found in various public places, for others to read and pass along, I don’t have a ready reference to go back to at the moment to refresh my memory. Do you have a relevant link to that info that you could kindly provide?
Domo in advance.


221 posted on 07/20/2011 6:05:33 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (I'll take Fraudulent Marxist Usurpers for $2.4 Trillion, Alex.)
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To: LomanBill

“An American citizenry that willfully discards its ability to perceive the Truth with its own free mind, and to articulate it in with its own free voice -— is only vestigially American, and the bull excrement is headed for the wind tunnel.”

In layman’s terms, does that mean that when the People purposefully disable their Bravo Sierra meters, that eventually the fit will hit the shan?


222 posted on 07/20/2011 6:05:40 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (I'll take Fraudulent Marxist Usurpers for $2.4 Trillion, Alex.)
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To: LomanBill; wintertime

Here’s the thing about delusion.

No human being can claim assurance of being 100% correct about everything. It’s impossible. Here’s a frightening thought — at any given moment, you are completely wrong about a particular percentage of things you simply take for granted. The size of that percentage of information is completely unknown to you or anyone else. This holds true for everyone, of course. Only one man can claim to have been 100% correct about everything and He lived 2000 years ago.

Now, if someone were to challenge you on one of those points about which you were absolutely wrong, you would argue tooth and nail. This wouldn’t be dishonesty on your part — after all, you would really believe that you are right on the matter given your experiences and the evidence you’ve seen. If one were to argue too aggressively to prove their point, you would most likely simply dig in deeper. We all tend to do that.

Don’t misunderstand my point — I’m not arguing that truth is relative. Far from it. It’s just that the whole truth can only be known to God and the only things we can know infallibly are those things which He has told us.

What I am also pointing out is that the human mind is a tricky son-of-a-gun, tainted by original sin, and has to be approached like a wild animal. When you’re hunting in the woods and you see a buck, you don’t just charge right after him. You’ll spook him. Instead, you lie low, approach carefully, perhaps set a trap, and, when the time is right, then spring for the kill.

I haven’t said, “Give it up.” That’s not my position. Wintertime, God love you, I did insult you but it was only because you insulted me first by calling me a liar. For my insults, I apologize. Now, let me make it clear — my position is that you folks are going about this the wrong way. You have evidence that points at BHO not being what he claims but that is a far cry from being able to prove he is not a Natural Born Citizen beyond a reasonable doubt.

If a buck hears gunshots and has an escape route, he’ll take it. Likewise, if the human mind finds reasonable doubts with a particular argument it is faced with, it will dig in and find ways to entrench itself within those doubts rather than accept the validity of an argument it finds disagreeable. People do not do this because they want to protect untruth but rather because they still believe they are right. Like in chess, you only win if you put them in checkmate or convince them to resign.

While I believe that you most certainly should continue pursuing evidence on this matter and continue building your arguments, I do not think the issue has been proven to a degree where it will bring down BHO. To the contrary, it will hurt our chances of ousting him because our opponents will be able to make the case that we are grasping for straws and that we’ll desperately say ANYTHING to get him out of office. Even worse, they’ll make the case that WE’RE the ones spreading the Big Lie. Remember, when Hitler first spoke of the Big Lie he did not do so describing the methods he would use, but rather to claim that it was a technique used by the Jews.

I make these arguments not because I want truth to be concealed but rather because I believe it has to be revealed in the right way if it is to be really and truly accepted. Don’t underestimate the power of the mind to rationalize and delude itself in the face of facts.


223 posted on 07/20/2011 7:09:52 AM PDT by MWS
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To: ml/nj
You're kidding, aren't you?

No, I'm not. First of all, it's foolish to be doing this kind of analysis on what is likely a copy of a copy. Second, one of those letters is on the fold of the paper.

224 posted on 07/20/2011 7:12:35 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: El Sordo
Absolutely certain.

And also absolutely correct.

Fine. Put your money where your mouth is. Show us your proof. Let us all be as certain as you are on this point. Why hold back?

225 posted on 07/20/2011 7:42:18 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (The TAIL of Hawaiian Bureaucracy WAGS the DOG of Constitutional Law.)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Like I said before, the 'R' wasn't read as a letter. For whatever reason--probably because it was lighter than the other letters--it was read as part of the background, like a gray smudge, and downsampled along with the rest of it.

The trouble with this theory is that it ended up in a string of text where a letter is supposed to be. If the program couldn't recognize it as a letter, why did it put it in the middle of a string of text?

226 posted on 07/20/2011 7:44:45 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (The TAIL of Hawaiian Bureaucracy WAGS the DOG of Constitutional Law.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
My first knowledge of OCR was that it's purpose is to convert image text into ASCII (American Standard Code for information Interchange.) In other words, 7 bit binary representations of Alphanumeric Characters.

But the purpose of this was to reproduce the text only. (Example here - I believe that the OCR-ing at the link was my work.) It IN NO WAY represents itself as a copy of the original. OCR-ing in Adobe, whose entire business is based accurate graphical representation, is for searchablity. And not even a single character is searchable in the WH PDF. There is no evidence, NONE, that that document was ever OCR-ed.

ML/NJ

227 posted on 07/20/2011 7:45:45 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: DiogenesLamp
The difference between Nixon, Clinton, and Obama is that of a fart, a brown stain, and a big steaming pile.

LOL !!     Very true.

ML/NJ

228 posted on 07/20/2011 7:48:48 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

I found the Birth Index Article!

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/extra-extra-announcing-obamas-birth/9-its-a-date-index-data-book-images/

Going to try to make a thread of it. This I believe is big time proof of HI complicity.


229 posted on 07/20/2011 8:01:06 AM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: jh4freedom
I know of no court in any state nor any federal court which has ruled that state officials in any state failed to uphold state or federal law with regard to Article II, Section 1 eligibility.

What an Intentionally MISLEADING assertion! You are arguing that because no court has ruled they've violated the law, they must not have violated the law? This is true of EVERY criminal prior to conviction! One might so rule if the d@mned issue would ever make it INTO court!

Constitution Party candidate Alan Keyes sued Governor Lingle and Hawaii’s Chief Elections Official, Kevin Cronin in Keyes v Lingle and made the argument that Obama’s Hawaii COLB was forged. He included an affidivit with a forensic analysis of the COLB but the Hawaii courts dismissed the lawsuit.

With the faulty reasoning I see continuously emanating from the various lawyer types, I should not be surprised to find them shared by a Liberal Hawaiian judge. This does not constitute proof to me that the case has no merit, rather it is evidence that politics are at work.

A quick check on this case confirms my suspicions. First of all, it was in State Court when it should have been in Federal Court. (But I suppose you have to at least TRY to get remedy in State Court first.) Secondly, it was dismissed on a technicality, (Like every other case so far) rather than on it's merits. So you present this Lawyer Trick as proof of something? The only thing it proves in my mind is that Law Degrees ought to require an Engineering degree as a Pre-requisite so as to eliminate stupid and dishonest people from getting into the Justice System.

Leo Donofrio also made that claim in New Jersey and in Connecticut and appeals went all the way to the US Supreme Court (Donofrio v Wells (NJ) and Wrotnowski v Bysiewicz (CN)). Obama eligibility attorney Gary Kreep made the same argument in California in “Keyes v Bowen” which went all the way to the US Supreme Court but was rejected.

The Fact that it couldn't get four Judges to agree to hear it doesn't make it merit-less. It sometimes takes FOREVER to finally get a case on a serious constitutional issue to be taken up by the court. McDonald v. Chicago comes to mind.

What I find highly amusing is that YOU aren't discussing the case on the merits either, but merely pointing towards courts who you expect to do your thinking for you. Lawyer types have raised the "fallacy of authority" to the level of dogmatic orthodoxy! I suppose they must wonder why other people don't want to worship their god.

230 posted on 07/20/2011 8:06:49 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (The TAIL of Hawaiian Bureaucracy WAGS the DOG of Constitutional Law.)
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To: charlene4
What I do not understand about these supposed Indexes is that an index is supposed to tell you where to go to find more information. These tell nothing.

ML/NJ

231 posted on 07/20/2011 8:11:41 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: jh4freedom
Yes, it’s too much to ask because Article IV, Section 1 of the US Constitution carries just as much weight as Article II, Section 1. And so does the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution.

And besides, Hawaii’s privacy laws allow for a confidential birth record to be inspected or obtained via “a court order from a court of competent jurisdiction.”

You and I obviously have a difference of opinion regarding the word "Honest."

Assuming (for the sake of argument) Barry is born in Canada to an Underage Girl, yet gets a Hawaiian birth certificate created by an Affidavit from his Grandmother, and is subsequently adopted by same Grandmother, you think it's perfectly reasonable for a Hawaiian privacy law to cover up the fact that he would NOT meet article II requirements?

And then you have the GALL to cite the 4th amendment, thereby asserting that it would be an ILLEGAL search for a document to prove the President is legal? SERIOUSLY?

Let us get you on the record so that no one need waste any further time with you. Please tell us that you honestly believe that a state law of Privacy has more legal weight than Article II compliance.

Your answer will be reposted to you every time you try to engage in this discussion just to show people that you have faulty judgement and/or are dishonest.

It is now nutcracking time. Make your words sweet and tender because I assure you that you will be eating them later if they are not.

232 posted on 07/20/2011 8:22:00 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (The TAIL of Hawaiian Bureaucracy WAGS the DOG of Constitutional Law.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
I'm not sure what the point of that would be as you seem to be the type who will just segue smoothly on to your next erroneous argument.

But, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time.

-No video of BHO saying that exists. The video of the debate doesn't support that it was ever said.

-The transcripts of the debates do not include that line, but one transcript includes a very similar line leading to the strong suspicion that this line is simply being misrepresented.

-Keyes has never claimed that BHO made such a statement, even during his effort at pursuing legal action.

Any other three year old, easily debunked birther myths you want to discuss?

233 posted on 07/20/2011 8:23:21 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Kleon
The second R is affected by the fold of the paper, while the first one is not. Like, duh.

Well enough. Please explain what happened to this "R". Tell me why the pixel size and bit depth changed from one character to the next.


234 posted on 07/20/2011 8:27:06 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (The TAIL of Hawaiian Bureaucracy WAGS the DOG of Constitutional Law.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Mike Evans completely backed away from that claim...look it up.

Yup, he sure did. Right after he had repeated it constantly on several radio stations. So was he lying in the beginning when he presumably spoke without concern, or later, after pressure from his good buddy (Neil) was applied?

I for one couldn't believe he wouldn't expect blow back when he first made his pronouncements. Ah well, the nail that sticks out gets hammered down.

235 posted on 07/20/2011 8:31:53 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (The TAIL of Hawaiian Bureaucracy WAGS the DOG of Constitutional Law.)
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To: wintertime
Yes, there is a reason: TREASON!

I wouldn't use the "T" word just yet. People with cognitive dissonance believe stuff that isn't true. I would regard it as more of a "mentally disabled" condition. :)

236 posted on 07/20/2011 8:33:42 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (The TAIL of Hawaiian Bureaucracy WAGS the DOG of Constitutional Law.)
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To: Fantasywriter
All anybody has to do to know there is something horribly, horribly amiss with Barry’s ‘birth records’ is rewatch the presser where Abercrombie was specifically asked about Obama’s BC. Abercrombie goes green at the gills and gibbers a couple of lines about a “notation”, something “written down” - and then he shuts the press down with an iron fist. No, he did NOT see the form that was released. He found a notation of some kind, and it scared him witless. He stammered and staggered his way through a presser that was obviously the last place on earth he wanted to be—and he’s never spoken of it since.

Still people shill for that form that was released. It’s mind-boggling.

Yup. People's reactions often tell you more about what they think than whatever it is that they say.

237 posted on 07/20/2011 8:36:03 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (The TAIL of Hawaiian Bureaucracy WAGS the DOG of Constitutional Law.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Your response does not surprise me in the least.

A man with his head up his bunghole should not see much that surprises him. His world view is pretty consistent. :)

238 posted on 07/20/2011 8:37:27 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (The TAIL of Hawaiian Bureaucracy WAGS the DOG of Constitutional Law.)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome
I think I read about that deplorable turn of events in Corsi’s book “Where’s the Birth Certificate?”. Since I left my volume, and seven others, to be found in various public places, for others to read and pass along, I don’t have a ready reference to go back to at the moment to refresh my memory. Do you have a relevant link to that info that you could kindly provide? Domo in advance.

It's from memory for me as well, but I think I can find a link pretty quick. Found it. The Washington Times ought to be a credible source right? :)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/apr/19/key-witness-in-passport-fraud-case-fatally-shot/

239 posted on 07/20/2011 8:45:19 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (The TAIL of Hawaiian Bureaucracy WAGS the DOG of Constitutional Law.)
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To: Kleon
No, I'm not. First of all, it's foolish to be doing this kind of analysis on what is likely a copy of a copy. Second, one of those letters is on the fold of the paper.

Were it an actual "COPY" it would not have the peculiar characteristic of changing Pixel size and bit depth between a string of text characters.

Note the circled pixels?

240 posted on 07/20/2011 8:49:38 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (The TAIL of Hawaiian Bureaucracy WAGS the DOG of Constitutional Law.)
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