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To: LomanBill; wintertime

Here’s the thing about delusion.

No human being can claim assurance of being 100% correct about everything. It’s impossible. Here’s a frightening thought — at any given moment, you are completely wrong about a particular percentage of things you simply take for granted. The size of that percentage of information is completely unknown to you or anyone else. This holds true for everyone, of course. Only one man can claim to have been 100% correct about everything and He lived 2000 years ago.

Now, if someone were to challenge you on one of those points about which you were absolutely wrong, you would argue tooth and nail. This wouldn’t be dishonesty on your part — after all, you would really believe that you are right on the matter given your experiences and the evidence you’ve seen. If one were to argue too aggressively to prove their point, you would most likely simply dig in deeper. We all tend to do that.

Don’t misunderstand my point — I’m not arguing that truth is relative. Far from it. It’s just that the whole truth can only be known to God and the only things we can know infallibly are those things which He has told us.

What I am also pointing out is that the human mind is a tricky son-of-a-gun, tainted by original sin, and has to be approached like a wild animal. When you’re hunting in the woods and you see a buck, you don’t just charge right after him. You’ll spook him. Instead, you lie low, approach carefully, perhaps set a trap, and, when the time is right, then spring for the kill.

I haven’t said, “Give it up.” That’s not my position. Wintertime, God love you, I did insult you but it was only because you insulted me first by calling me a liar. For my insults, I apologize. Now, let me make it clear — my position is that you folks are going about this the wrong way. You have evidence that points at BHO not being what he claims but that is a far cry from being able to prove he is not a Natural Born Citizen beyond a reasonable doubt.

If a buck hears gunshots and has an escape route, he’ll take it. Likewise, if the human mind finds reasonable doubts with a particular argument it is faced with, it will dig in and find ways to entrench itself within those doubts rather than accept the validity of an argument it finds disagreeable. People do not do this because they want to protect untruth but rather because they still believe they are right. Like in chess, you only win if you put them in checkmate or convince them to resign.

While I believe that you most certainly should continue pursuing evidence on this matter and continue building your arguments, I do not think the issue has been proven to a degree where it will bring down BHO. To the contrary, it will hurt our chances of ousting him because our opponents will be able to make the case that we are grasping for straws and that we’ll desperately say ANYTHING to get him out of office. Even worse, they’ll make the case that WE’RE the ones spreading the Big Lie. Remember, when Hitler first spoke of the Big Lie he did not do so describing the methods he would use, but rather to claim that it was a technique used by the Jews.

I make these arguments not because I want truth to be concealed but rather because I believe it has to be revealed in the right way if it is to be really and truly accepted. Don’t underestimate the power of the mind to rationalize and delude itself in the face of facts.


223 posted on 07/20/2011 7:09:52 AM PDT by MWS
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To: MWS
Fact: Obama posted forgeries. Why? Why would **any** president do that?

Just keep asking the question. Like water on limestone it will wear away Obama’s support. If it doesn't get him out of office wearing handcuffs, at least it will erode, along with his other baggage, support in the voting booth.

And....Polls now show that only 47% of the population say they are sure Obama was born in the U.S. IMAGINE THAT!!! Less than half the people will, with certainty, say that their president was BORN here! There is NO possible way that this can help Obama in any way.

Those polls were taken in May. It must be far worse for Obama now because far more people **know** that he posted flamingly crude forgeries.

257 posted on 07/20/2011 9:51:45 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: MWS; LomanBill
Also....Elections are not necessarily won by attempting to appease the brain dead middle of the road independent. It is won on whether or not Republicans make the effort to get out of their houses and to the polls.

I am not going to look up the polls for you, but HUGE numbers of Republicans believe that a usurper is sitting in the White House and are really ticked about it. If they get out the vote for Republicans then **all** Democrats will suffer in the voting booth. Will Democrats allow that or will they arrange for Obama to be dumped? ( Who knows?)

There are **attorneys** sitting in our various state legislators who do know about Obama’s very questionable eligibility and who have gone to tremendous effort to write bills to have every candidate prove their eligibility. Do you honest think that these attorneys, who have real influence in their state, are going to let Obama skate right on through to the ballot? Really?

How many states had bills pending? A dozen or more? One got all the way to the governor's desk. It takes a lot of work to get a bill that far, and legislators don't do that work unless they are committed to the issue.

Personally, I think Obama is in a lot of trouble. He may even be in trouble criminally. We will see.

And....There are a lot of paid trolls in this site. Personally....I believe you are one of them. I am not lying about this.

258 posted on 07/20/2011 10:06:35 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: MWS
"....who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time..."
 
--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786
 
Quack, Waddle ---- Fallible, Uninspired, and.... DELUSIONAL.
 
 
Observe this graph of typical house values in the back yard of Focus on the Family -- "conservative" Colorado Springs:
 
 
....where bleating Judas Goats wearing vestigial plumage of the Roman Empire's state religious concoction evidently misled the sheeple into the delusional belief that they'd be raptured away before the ARM exploded on their Liar Loan financed McMansions and McToys.
 
'Left Behind" with a foreclosure notice on the door? "Oops".
 
A Republic is a System, of Governance characterized by the Rule of Law;
 
Is a population of stupid sheep who suckle from a huge military industrial teat (just like the Soviets did) whilst financing their materialistic lifestyle via fraudulent Liar Loans characteristic of Conservatism, or the Rule of Law?   NO.
 
Common sense, among that population?  Fogedaboudit.
 
Two words could have kept O-Dumbo out of the Oval Office:  PENNY PRITZKER.    But Juan McCaine and "The Party" didn't have the common sense (or the balls) to use them, did they?
 
Gee OPie, are we seeing a pattern there?    Whether it's religious fairy tales or "Hope and Change", the swine on both sides of the Farm House aisle will tell the McSheeple anything they want to hear -- whatever it takes to keep the milk and apples keep flowing into their Kleptocratic gullets.
 
FAIL.

281 posted on 07/20/2011 9:57:39 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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