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1 posted on 07/13/2011 10:05:07 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

A lot like California turning off the water supply in the Central Valley supposedly to “save the delta smelt”. Funny how that also managed to force all those conservative farmers out of the state.

There are no coincidences in Demonrat politics.


2 posted on 07/13/2011 10:07:46 AM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: Nachum

Obama and his government take from the people to give to themselves.


3 posted on 07/13/2011 10:08:12 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is a Communist, a Muslim, and an illegal alien)
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To: Nachum

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4 posted on 07/13/2011 10:11:04 AM PDT by PMAS
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To: Nachum
OK ... isn't the Army Corps of Engineers ... military?

And aren't they broke?

And underfunded?


Soooo .. where does this 'army' get the money?

5 posted on 07/13/2011 10:11:55 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Nachum

Just a silly question ....

If this land floods every couple years, and every couple years the US Gov’t has to pay to have the flood damage fixed up - wouldn’t it eventually make sense for the US Gov’t to simply buy the land; so no one else builds in a flood zone, and then files a flood claim every couple years.

Not knowing the specifics, as the paragraph had very little detail - just a question.


6 posted on 07/13/2011 10:13:56 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Nachum

Bump


9 posted on 07/13/2011 10:22:39 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Nachum

Buying our liberties with our own money? Sounds like a plan to me!


12 posted on 07/13/2011 10:29:33 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Nachum

I see this locally and I think it has happened all over.

My theory...

Government (municipal, State, Federal) starts doing work, building bridges, reservoirs, dams; commercial interests build malls, etc., with many sq. miles of pavement. New housing projects spring up; they are required by government regs to plan water runoff, they do. They put in miles of drains.

The net result is dramatic changes to above-ground and underground water flows.

Mind you, water always flows downhill.

The engineers who design all these things know this and abide by government oversight.

But the big picture, the big plan..... winds up..... taking many square miles of what used to be the natural lay of the land, and making it, essentially, a big water-catch for rain. And, invariably, the “big picture”, which could only be analyzed by the government, is never really correctly analyzed and planned for in the designs of all these pieces. It sort of is, but somehow...

And there we go, we keep seeing more and more flooding over the years.

Back before 1980, businesses could and often would have DIRT parking lots. Not now. Everything is paved. All the rainwater runnoff goes into storm drains. All those eventually wind up in rivers. All that rainwater, before the pavement, would have soaked into the ground near where it fell, instead of being put into a drain and then dumped directly into the river a few miles away. If it soaks directly into the ground, the ground functions as a big sponge, or storage tank, storing water which then gradually makes it’s way to the river. When you get rid of natural forest or grassland cover and replace it with man-made structures, rainwater runnoff has to be handled to account for the “floodiest” time of year by somehow making some kind of storage. Some company was actually selling a pavement that is water-permeable for this very reason, I don’t know their status now.

During high rain periods, the flow volume through rivers is now, I’m theorizing, greatly expanded compared to 50 years ago. There still was flooding back then. The government and developers have just made matters a bit worse. I tend to think that the big rivers in the midwest are subject to the same kind of issues; but over a wide area.


15 posted on 07/13/2011 10:36:16 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We need to fix things ourselves)
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To: Nachum

“But after about thirty years of operation, as the environmentalist movement gained strength throughout the seventies and eighties, the Corps received a great deal of pressure to include some specific environmental concerns into their MWCM (Master Water Control Manual, the “bible” for the operation of the dam system). Preservation of habitat for at-risk bird and fish populations soon became a hot issue among the burgeoning environmental lobby. The pressure to satisfy the demands of these groups grew exponentially as politicians eagerly traded their common sense for “green” political support.

Things turned absurd from there. An idea to restore the nation’s rivers to a natural (pre-dam) state swept through the environmental movement and their allies. Adherents enlisted the aid of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), asking for an updated “Biological Opinion” from the FWS that would make ecosystem restoration an “authorized purpose” of the dam system. The Clinton administration threw its support behind the change, officially shifting the priorities of the Missouri River dam system from flood control, facilitation of commercial traffic, and recreation to habitat restoration, wetlands preservation, and culturally sensitive and sustainable biodiversity.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/06/the_purposeful_flooding_of_americas_heartland.html

By 22 Feb 2011, the Corps of Engineers had stopped dam runoff release. The Corps’ decision, from what I have read, was subsurvient to environmental/EPA demands.

Koster’s suit.
http://ago.mo.gov/newsreleases/2009/Koster_attempts_to_stop_Missouri_River_diversion/

Search NEPA.

And here’s a piece of the puzzle, from the Corps: http://www.nwk.usace.army.mil/Flood/rehab2007/Brunswick-EA.pdf


17 posted on 07/13/2011 10:42:05 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Nachum

Just think what would happen if Soros controlled the supply/price of grain.


23 posted on 07/13/2011 10:54:26 AM PDT by Enough is ENOUGH (Fabian Globalism: Environmentalism halts production, forces population into dense controllable areas)
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To: Nachum

two quotes from the article:

“Intentionally flood massive acreage of highly productive farmground. Destroy people’s communities and homes. Catch them while they are desperate and afraid and then swoop in and buy the ground cheap. Those evil sons of bitches.

“Bottom line: Soros, through Ospraie, is buying up farmground. Please also note that the hotlink citation above is dated June 26, 2009. My contact says this has been going on for two years – and also remember what I told you about farmground prices inflating wildly, especially in Illinois. I have personally confirmed farmground in Illinois selling for $13,000 per acre within the last month, whereas that same kind of ground in Illinois was going for $5,500 per acre the day Obama was inaugurated.”

am i reading this wrong? to my eye, it looks like the land is currently being purchased for more than twice what it was going for just 2 years ago...and that is being called “buying the ground cheap”. i must be misreading/misunderstanding something?!?


26 posted on 07/13/2011 11:07:39 AM PDT by mreerm
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To: Nachum

two quotes from the article:

“Intentionally flood massive acreage of highly productive farmground. Destroy people’s communities and homes. Catch them while they are desperate and afraid and then swoop in and buy the ground cheap. Those evil sons of bitches.

“Bottom line: Soros, through Ospraie, is buying up farmground. Please also note that the hotlink citation above is dated June 26, 2009. My contact says this has been going on for two years – and also remember what I told you about farmground prices inflating wildly, especially in Illinois. I have personally confirmed farmground in Illinois selling for $13,000 per acre within the last month, whereas that same kind of ground in Illinois was going for $5,500 per acre the day Obama was inaugurated.”

am i reading this wrong? to my eye, it looks like the land is currently being purchased for more than twice what it was going for just 2 years ago...and that is being called “buying the ground cheap”. i must be misreading/misunderstanding something?!?


27 posted on 07/13/2011 11:07:43 AM PDT by mreerm
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To: Nachum

I read some recent accounts explaining how Missouri River basin environmentalists have been busy over the past decade interferring with the Corps of Engineers’ flood control projects either directly or indirectly. They claim that the river should be allowed to return to its natural state.

The Fabian globalist Marxists use environmentalism and global “change” as tools to effect socio-economic changes to gain control for themselves and to pave the way to globalism. As Soros said, the U.S. and Israel stand in the way of globalism.


30 posted on 07/13/2011 11:42:17 AM PDT by Enough is ENOUGH (Fabian Globalism: Environmentalism halts production, forces population into dense controllable areas)
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To: Carry_Okie; SierraWasp
“Now It All Makes Sense.” A Missouri farming and ranching contact just got off a conference call wherein he was informed that the federal government is sending out letters to all of the flooded out farmers in the Missouri River flood plain and bottoms notifying them that the Army Corps of Engineers will offer to BUY THEIR LAND.

Intentionally flood massive acreage of highly productive farmground. Destroy people’s communities and homes. Catch them while they are desperate and afraid and then swoop in and buy the ground cheap. Those evil sons of bitches.

BUMP!

36 posted on 07/13/2011 11:29:16 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Sapere Aude!" --Immanuel Kant)
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