Posted on 06/21/2011 10:40:26 PM PDT by curth
Update: As I stated earlier today (below), the Zogby poll I saw yesterday that did not include Palin popped up today and showed, SHOCK, that Bachmann surges into the lead. As I also pointed, this poll is 100% unscientific as anyone can sign up to participate in the poll and is not a random sample. Its about as valid as a Bill OReilly internet poll. Previous leaders have included Herman Cain and Chris Christie. Michele Bachmann had 24% (yeeeaaah) ahead of Romney and Cains 15%.
In what is starting to look like a trend, pollsters are now removing Sarah Palin as an option from GOP Primary Polling Data. It happened in last weeks Rasmussen Poll, and now in this weeks polling round-up with the Morris Poll and presumably also the upcoming Zogby poll (I have seen the Survey and the copy I saw did not include Palin). But what is odd is that Palin is removed from the polling after she starts seeing a heavy trend upwards and even led Romney in two recent polls by Reuters/Ipsos (Palin 22%- Romney 20%) and Economist/YouGov (Palin 20%- Romney 14%). So its actually odd that as she is trending upward, she is suddenly removed.
Typically, pollsters ask a number of scenarios containing a multitude of candidates (including only declared and then some speculative candidates). PPP is usually the best at this. We wont knock Rasmussen because their poll did only include people who took part in Mondays debate (and Jon Huntsman, who envisions himself as a dorkier, whiter, slightly more conservative version of Barack Obama).Though since that showed a runaway for Romney, it would be nice to see a secondary poll with other competitors as well.
Meanwhile Dick Morris, who regularly dismisses Palin and pushes Romney and Bachmann, released a poll that featured two sets of questions. One was a straight up poll of contestants already in, and one tested speculative candidates. The only speculative candidate Morris pushes here is Rick Perry, who gets 5% of the vote, while Bachmann comes in THIRD with 12% behind Romneys 23% and Ron Pauls 12.4%. (Showing his bias, Morris actually puts Bachmann second in the release, while his data shows that Paul had more votes. Where is the honesty here? ) Either way, Bachmann remained down by double digits.
But more interesting, is that Morris decided to focus on the poll that featured Perry taking a couple of points away from Romney, rather than the poll that only featured in candidates. This is in complete contrast to the last Morris poll on May 25th. Then, Morris also took two polls, one fielding only the current presidential field, and one featuring a speculative candidate: Sarah Palin. The poll featuring Palin, who was the only candidate to get within single digits of Romney in either of the questions, was secondary news. Instead, Morris blasted that Romney was way ahead of the field and focused on the results of the Candidates who are in poll, dismissing that Palin was closer than anyone else by a long shot. This time, he doesnt even mention the candidates who are in poll and focuses solely on the poll with Rick Perry included. Well, here are the results of the non-Perry field: Romney: 26% Bachmann: 10% Paul: 6% Cain: 6% Gingrich: 4% Pawlenty: 4% Santorum: 2% Other/DontKnow: 41%
So, Morris did not get the results he wanted, showing a miraculous Bachmann surge so he ignored the results and focused on Rick Perry, who didnt make a splash. I know he wanted to see a Bachmann surge, because he has been predicting as much regularly on Fox News. Just last week, Morris (while taking a shot at Palin) had this to say about Bachmann, who ha supposedly remained as only 1 of 2 options to challenge Romney down the stretch: She has Palins zest and instinct for a killer zinger but Newts knowledge of substance. She combines a flair for the dramatic with some pretty sound political judgment. Again, isnt it insulting to continuously compare Bachmann to Palin because they are both women? And is Bachmann really known for zingers? Is Barack Obama will be a one-term president really a zinger?
But, alas, Bachmann remains down 16 points in the candidates who are in poll, despite her supposed surge, while 41% remain undecided. Unflippinbelievable! I wonder who at least some of those 41% might be interested in voting for!
Finally, the Zogby poll survey I saw, also asked multiple candidate scenarios but, for the first time, none of them included Sarah Palin. This doesnt really matter, because the Zogby poll is not scientific, by any means. When activists can volunteer to be part of a polling sample, its not hard to skew the results. But to show the trend, Zogby did not include Palin, but include candidates that have completely ruled out a run like Chris Christie.
My theories:
1) The media is trying to find a frontrunner not named Sarah Palin to take on Romney. The media is always out for the flavor of the week, and Palin/Romney is just too boring for them. They will continue to float trial balloons until the inevitable happens.
2) The media really doesnt think Palin is running. Okay fine, but why include candidates like Chris Christie and Rick Perry who have either said they are not running or have only tipped their toes into the water? Also, are they blind or just stupid? They really dont even think there is a remote possibility she is running? Really? Only the media would swear that a guy who has emphatically stated he will not run for President dozens of times is running and someone who has said they are considering it and is touring the nation is not running. Not that Ive ever accused the media of being too intelligent.
3) The media wants you to ignore Sarah Palin. If they dont talk about her in polls, she doesnt exist! Who knows, maybe they are sick of Palin. Oh yeah, thats it. A media who obsessed over tracking down a non-candidates RV for a week and spent half their work force rummaging through her e-mails for dirt is sick of her. Unlikely.
One thing is certain: Morris should not be taken seriously by any media organization. Its actually obscene that he is taken seriously at all as either a pollster or an analyst. The reality is that Morris is pushing two candidates, takes a couple of polls, and filters out whatever information he wants you to see. He deliberately placed Bachmann as second ahead of Ron Paul (who got more votes) so he could presumably go on Radio and TV and talk about how Bachmann is in second place to Mitt Romney, just like Rasmussen showed! Surge, surge, surge! So, not only does Morris lift Bachmann ahead of someone with more votes (Paul) but he also chooses the poll where she is down only 11% instead of 16%. Or, maybe its a coincidence.
In before the poll huggers show up.
Today I was listening to Candidate Reagan speech. He made his announcement on Labor day in 1981. Palin is not in hurry. His speech was great, he slammed Carter left and Right. Current GOP candidates are planing to do kumbaya.
Here’s the deal. Let them swing away and knock each other out. Because that is sure what’s happening. Sarah doesn’t have to say or do anything right now. This is almost comical.
Wow, it doesn't get any better sourced than that.
LOL.
An anonymous internet guy citing unnamed pollsters and unnamed others, who have gotten word on the downlow.
They have a surprise coming. ;)
Forget Reagan who announced in November. MB has just announced in mid June.
Here are a couple of rules for you.
Anybody who announces after Bachmann is too late and anybody who announces before Bachmann is...well we won't talk about that.
Any questions?
Is that guy still around....wish he would just go back to sucking toes. Geesssh, Who cares what he thinks?
What !? I cited nothing!
I saw three theories proposed at the end of the original article and I only added a fourth that made more sense.
Regarding ambiguous citing; the first three theories suggesting "The media" is intentionally de-listing Sarah Palin from polls lacks some specificity doesn't it?
That's what he's doing right now. The only difference is, said toes are now Romney's. ;)
Funny, I thought he'd announced before his inauguration.
Pretending that Sarah Palin (and the 61% of the voting population she represents) doesn't exist ... that's just something else.
Let Freedom Ring June 28 2011 Kitty Werthmann
Kitty Werthmann lived under both the NAZIs and communism in Austria and Germany. Her story is a compelling wake-up call for Americans.
Sorta like all those jobs le bam “created”.
What are the odds that everybody in that business sincerely goes over to the dark side when things are looking dangerous? Some maybe sincerely; but others out of survival, or until D-Day.
That woman speaking in the link above talked of living a double life during the Hitler years, one person at school and work, totally different person at home.
Just food for thought.
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