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Posted on 06/14/2011 4:20:58 PM PDT by parksstp
Okay Folks, Enough is Enough!
I have enjoyed participating in this forum for a long time because I enjoy supporting the conservative values people like JimRob, the Tea Party, and other decent Americans hold dear to. It's obvious we are in the fight of our lives for the long-term survival of this country. 2012 is clearly a major turning poing that could very well decide whether or not America survives.
Because of this importance, it is paramount we select the right candidate, the true conservative that will stand with us on all the conservative specturms (social, economic, domestic, and foreign policy). We absolutely cannot settle for another RINO or Democrat-lite candidate.
Many people here have been passionate in support of "their" candidate. Others have expressed gloom and doom with no hope of survival. Still others have taken the "my candidate or nothing" road. I want to address these.
Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cain, Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum (listed alphabetically). All of these individuals have strong conservative credentials, and based on what I know, I would feel comfortable and empowered with supporting any of them in a general election against Obama. Nobody is ever perfect, but these four individuals have shown time and time again that they have the character and the heart to direct the country in the "right" direction.
That being said, I have become alarmed and disheartened at the amount of attacks generated against these folks by posters on this board claiming to be conservative. I have seen Michele Bachmann absolutely brutalized for one reason or another, being labeled a "phony, stalking-horse, RINO, inexperienced, unintelligent". I have also seen Herman Cain get hammered as an "Establishment guy, Anti-2nd Amendment, TARP loving RINO". And some people just can't let the whole Santorum/Spector thing rest. It's like many posters for whatever reason want to turn reality on its head.
I know a lot of people on this board like and support Bachmann, Cain, and Santorum. Personally, I really like Michele and her debate performance last night strengthened my opinion of her. As I said before, I could easily support any of them.
I think many of the Palin supporters feel the same way too (that is, if she decided not to jump in, they could support one of the three above without much reservations). And many of us supporting one of the three candidates listed above, could possibly move to the Palin camp if she got in without any problems.
However, there appears to be a strong minority of the Palin supporters on this forum that are trying hard to deliberately suck the life out of any other conservative candidate who might actually be just as able to carry the conservative banner in the 2012 election. The notion of these folks is that Palin is the only "true conservative" who can do no wrong and that any other candidate claiming to be a conservative in this race is simply a "wolf in sheeps clothing", and that we should simply wait for her entry into the race so that she can be rightfully "annoited". After all, they say, once she enters, the debates against the other conservatives will be useless because she is already obviously the winner!
As someone that believes in conservative values and independent thought, I reject this notion and take great offense to the attacks these people have thrown on Bachmann, Cain, and Santorum.
I like Sarah Palin a lot. I love how she has learned to torture the media and turn the game on them. It's clear she is the most charasmatic of all the conservative indiviudals listed. Beleive me, it would be awesome watching her win on Election Night just to see the reaction of the liberal media (I predict Olbermann would hang himself). She's more than capable to be President.
But Sarah Palin isn't the only conservative. And contrary to some people here, she isn't an object to be worshipped. This type of infatuation always leads to disappointment, because NO candidate is perfect.
I like Michelle Bachmann. And I like Herman Cain too. And if either of these individuals ever made it to the WH at the top of a ticket, then I believe are country would be in good shape.
So I'm asking nicely to please, stop the attacks on the other conservatives in this race. These people are not rivals, they're allies. Let them each state their case to the American people, then take a step back, and make a good, rationale, objective decision.
P.S. By "Conservative Candidates" I do not mean Romney or other RINOS (those folks are fair game)
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Excellent point, and all too true.
I didn’t even know he was an option. I know his position on central Asian border security but I’m left wondering about his stance on gay marriage.
Cry me a glacier. Its no worse than it was in the run up to the 08 election. Thicken that skin, politics is not for the faint of heart.
Well, there ya go.
The OP makes a point and many can’t wait to jump in and underline his point.
Why attack an argument when you can just go after the poster?
So you disagree with Bachmann, I suppose? I think she makes a good point, and she separates and defines herself by her life experience. That is what the process is about.
Hear, hear!! What you said!
This thread is nothing but whining.
Go ahead and show how it isn't.
I’m for all the best conservatives. At this point since Palin has not declared then we only have who we have in the race. I support Bachmann as much as Palin. So I am split. I just hope Romney is not the nominee. So I will support all the “good” candidates taking on Romney and may the best choice be made.
Nonsense and balderdash. Point out a single reply that backs that statement up. I'll wait here.
If you have a specific criticism of a specific post, I suggest you simply reply to it. If you have a general criticism of some people generally, a vanity is not effective and will probably offend more of those you weren’t speaking to.
If you’re trying to start a gang to help enforce your opinion, please leave.
Asking someone to prove a negative reveals that you and your posts cannot be taken seriously. Thanks for sharing.
Yah. This time shifting thing can be somewhat difficult. I keep several clocks set at various times to help me with that.
Some of that is the new touchiness of folks. If you attack their position somehow that constitutes a hurtful personal attack. Of course, it isn’t. But, we’re much touchier now.
She is certainly entitled to her opinion.
It is my opinion, however, that her snark is very troubling especially piling onto what her campaign adviser [Ed Rollins] said the other day about Sarah. Keep in mind, Sarah has not declared yet, and has helped Michele raise money. Seems to me, the knives need to be used on her opponents, mainly Obama.
>>Go ahead and show how it isn’t.<<
It looks like I don’t have to.
res ipsa loquitur
Good post. And you are right. All of ours are better than Obama. I will vote for any of these candidates in the general.
Debating potential GOP candidates virtues on FR is quite ‘polite’ compared to a FR thread on the causes of the US Civil War/War Between the States/ War of Northern aggression.
Debating potential GOP candidates virtues on FR is quite ‘polite’ compared to a FR thread on the causes of the US Civil War/War Between the States/ War of Northern aggression.
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