Posted on 06/09/2011 1:51:48 PM PDT by rxsid
Now when I was looking at the index, for some reason, I had a senior moment, and I didn’t remember seeing it, but I actually captured an image of the page on which Mr. Obama’s name appears. In regard to the other indexes, I looked at the 1960-65 marriage index by groom and confirmed that Obama Sr. was listed there as a groom and Stanley Ann as the bride to confirm that there was a record that he was married to Stanley Ann.
What are you sending me this junk for?
When you find an official document, such as a marriage license or a marriage certificate, attesting to a state-sanctioned Obama/Dunham marriage, send me a copy or a link.
These “Index listings” prove nothing.
Only as fool would accept these pieces of crap as evidence of anything.
Then there is no way we will ever know.
There’s truth serum, but then Corsi says he already has somebody in the HDOH who reported when a forged BC for Obama was entered into the HDOH volume, and the HDOH’s moving the record to a double-locked safe in order to keep HDOH workers from being able to see it strongly substantiates Corsi’s claim. And we’ve got the words of Abercrombie, Mike Evans, Chiyome Fukino, and Brian Adams - Adams’ under oath - which all contradict the document Obama produced.
The problem is that we have a system that won’t allow the criminal actions of both the HDOH and Obama to be tried in court. The system is just as lawless as those criminals. And that is a very, very serious problem.
Sharon Rondeau is a highly skilled researcher and the Post and Email is a very reputable source on Birth Certificate issues. If you can’t trust the report of a competent source, you’ve got a serious problem. I mean, it’s not like there are a lot of documents out there that don’t have serious questions as to their provenance.
‘Boys on the block’!!! ... Which boys, and where was this ‘block’? Wow, that sure sounds conspiratorial. Better let that go ...
It’s also interesting that the listings include both of Stanley Ann’s marriages and the dates match up to the ones which she used in public records. We have an eyewitness testifying that the marriage listings were accurate in every aspect. It’s hard to believe that the state could be able to forge the records and then put them into a listing on Maui, when the main records are in Honolulu.
This passport image was at WND with no date and looking around it seems it was placed on the whitehouse.gov website in 2010 but was scrubbed. Correct me if I'm wrong but at the bottom it shows his age as 51 meaning he was born in 1959.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=306501 - "Why is Obama's name different on passport? Doesn't match birth records released with president's authority", dated June 2, 2011.
Then ask Sharon for her copy of the Obama-Dunham marriage license and marriage certificate, and send me a copy when you get it.
And, you are correct, I have a serious problem, alright, and it’s you people that will accept any piece of crap that comes out of Hawaii other than original, source documents.
Show me the source documents, or don’t waste my time.
If you can show me a source document from Hawaiian state records on this subject that isn't a pile of crap, let me know. The only (allegedly) valid source document is from the divorce in 1964, and that is missing key documents. However, it does make a claim of a wedding that matches all known criteria, including those verified by Rondeau.
Otherwise, you're alleging that Hawaii created a physical index document that includes both marriages, accurately recorded? If you think that this is a forgery, you are dreaming. And if you can't trust Sharon Rondeau, you might just as well ignore any claim that any individual makes without full copies of source documents. That would be about zero, by my count. Given that I trust Corsi more than you, I would not take such a position.
I'm just about at my wits end and ready to say screw it all....I don't care anymore.
Bring on the inevitable so we can get it over with and begin anew.
I would guess that is exactly what the trolls want. My natural response is to do the exact opposite, especially if I can figure out a way to P*ss them off even more. :)
You seem to trust a lot.
I don’t.
Show me the source documents.
If I understand you correctly, you are saying that it exists as a digital file, but it does not actually exist in the paper copy of the marriage index from 1961?
Show me ANY source documents. In general, there aren't any, at least any that we are one hundred per cent certain are absolutely accurate.
So if it's a choice between total ignorance and assigning some degree of truthfulness to an eyewitness report, I will take the latter. Your approach creates an untenable position when dealing with subject matter where our knowledge is by definition incomplete and is often contradictory. You can live in your shell if you want, but I'd like to apply a bit of reason and analysis to come up with a hypothesis, especially when so many documents appear to be forged. A search for absolute certainty will end up with an analysis that is magnitudes of order less complete than would be the case with the application of some modicum of intelligence.
The fact that every known document and report gives the same wedding date is an indication that it could possibly be true. The fact that several different documents and reports give the same birth date for Obama jr, would seem to indicate that there is some possibility that it could be the right date. There will be never be complete certainty, but a combination of Occam's Razor and Bayes' Law will get you far.
And this is about one year after Roman Obama (who had not from you mentioned last night, yet changed his name to "Roman") had gone to Moscow. So the Kenyan relatives know who the real BHO was, and therefore HAD to know that this tall skinny mulatto was not the real BHO. I wonder what offers were presented to them to get them to go along with the fairytale.
The resemblance between Zero and Malcolm X is striking; any resemblance to SAD is imo very casual. They both have large chins but the shape is not similar, their facial structure is quite different. And Zero’s and the Kenyan 0bama are strikingly unlike, of course.
Another very interesting point is that obviously Zero didn’t want to visit his “father” when the Kenyan was still alive since something might have slipped up about who was who and who wasnt’ who. Since the Kenyan was apparently drunk much of the time, one never knows what will come out of a drunk’s mouth.
You realize that you are doing exactly what Team Obama wants you to do — chase ghosts.
I’ve been at this six to eight hours a day since January 2007, and I have learned the game. Saying I live in a shell is insulting and shows you know as much about me as you do Obama.
And there is the entire problem in a nutshell.
Beckwith can and will correct me if I am wrong, but seems to me Beckwith is doubting what Sharon Rondeau saw. IOW he’s doubting the crap issuing from the HI DoH, not Rondeau. Rondeau may have beleived what she saw, the question is whether what she had was emplaced there after the fact. Beckwith just described above how such records can be made so show anything.
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