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Seal Found on Obama BC - But it Proves the Document Forged
Butterdezillion's Blog ^ | 05-13-2011 | butterdezillion

Posted on 05/13/2011 12:40:26 PM PDT by butterdezillion

I was wrong. There apparently WAS a "seal" on Obama's BC. Savannah Guthrie says she felt it and she took a photo that shows a faint outline of a seal.

Unfortunately for Obama, that "seal" IMHO cannot be the same seal as on the Factcheck photos. The size, style, content, and clarity is way off.

This "seal" causes even more problems for Obama's case, although it explains why the media didn't see an immediate problem because of the missing seal.

Not meaning to pimp my blog, but there is no way to post the images here in a PDF where the analysis can be seen. Please check out the images - especially the last one which contrasts the Factcheck seal with Obama's latest attempt at forgery. (Pardon the first line being cut off on the PDF; computer hassles too much to deal with right now).

The direct lik to the PDF is

TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; forgery; naturalborncitizen; obama; seal
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To: Red Steel

Right now there’s a raging war between Miss Tickly and Polarik regarding the authenticity of the seals found on the BC’s available on the web.

If there was a functioning HDOH these things would be easy to resolve. But then, if there was a functioning HDOH a lot of things would be different.

41 posted on 05/13/2011 4:09:04 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion; All

Basically I fully endorse your opinion that the BC FORGERY whole thing is a farce (pun not intended) to fool the people but the picture you are using, signed “uklele” or something like that has apparently been discredited so it may not be a good comparison document.

Be well and succesful and don’t worry, there seems to be so much to discredit the document provided by Obama that this technical glitch is not that big a deal.

I see striped suits - very wide black and white horizontal stripes - coming for those who have perpetrated and aided and assisted this fraud!

42 posted on 05/13/2011 8:33:29 PM PDT by FARS (Be healthy, happy and thrive,)
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To: butterdezillion
According to some birthers /focus/bloggers/2139124/posts?page=59#59 I lost the 2008 argument to Polarik. Ron Polarik probably has OCD and is certainly thin skinned. Despite his supporters here raining down on occasional critics like me, he still ended up leaving. Good riddance.
43 posted on 05/13/2011 8:45:03 PM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: butterdezillion
Note that the birthers have made little progress in rational thought since 2008. My post then focus/bloggers/2040486/posts?page=6221#6221 explained that you create the paper artifact, add the accouterments like the embossing stamp, then take pictures and present it as evidence. Nothing has changed since 2008, the birthers still think that somebody creates it all digitally like they do at Pixar. While that is possible, it is not likely that they would then process it to produce junky layers (D in Dunham in one layer, unham in another) for the hell of it. It is much more coherent with that evidence that a real piece of paper exists (with a seal) and that was scanned, that scan was manipulated a little (no content changes, just thresholding into layers) then that was posted as the WH PDF.
44 posted on 05/13/2011 9:12:51 PM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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The one with the ukulele-type name is the long-form that Obama presented. It HAS been discredited in many ways, as you say. This analysis just discredits it another way - by showing that the seal on it is different than the alleged HDOH seal on the Factcheck photos. That means one or the other or both have a seal that is not the real HDOH seal.

45 posted on 05/13/2011 9:31:04 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

Good for you. Strive on!

46 posted on 05/13/2011 9:35:24 PM PDT by FARS (Be healthy, happy and thrive,)
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To: palmer

The “seal” they used was not the same as the one on the Factcheck document, so if they did the process that you described then they had different “seals” on the documents they scanned. How do you explain that?

47 posted on 05/13/2011 9:35:40 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

Want a seal to make a fraudulent document seem real? See what’s for sale on eBay...

48 posted on 05/14/2011 3:48:05 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: butterdezillion

I’m sympathetic to your cause, but I find this whole thing to be getting ridiculous. Trying to determine the validity of impressed stamps from crappy online JPEGs is folly. You are also ignoring the fact that the State of Hawaii have officially confirmed that the most recent release is authentic, which makes the seal a moot point.

IMHO, you should stop staring at these JPEGs and focus on searching for information such as school records, contemporaneous births and deaths, etc., which could punch holes in Mr. Obama’s story and potentially uncover fraud.

49 posted on 05/14/2011 4:47:34 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: butterdezillion
His original BC was created 50 years ago.

His extract was created during the election, so maybe a new version was used.

I do have concerns with the new BC he has presented. I suspect Abercrombie had it put in place, and that it is garbage. When viewing the content, it seems some handwritten signatures are a mix of different types of digital patterns. I do think his BC is being proved a fraud.

50 posted on 05/14/2011 5:13:35 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Fresh Wind

Exactly. There is a reason that very specific seals are used for particular government entities. And there are reasons that the GAO office put out a report saying that one document alone should never be enough to prove anything, and that audits of vital records MUST be carried out.

Those who think this is just about Obama are ignoring much, much larger issues.

What’s amazing is how easy it is to forge this stuff, and yet Obama’s people didn’t even bother to use the same stamp on both their forgeries. They really and truly think we’re that dumb. Or they want to laugh in our faces at our inability to “reach” them in their protected status. Or they want us to be distracted while they do much more sinister things with the power a gullible nation gave them. Or maybe all the above.

One thing is true though. If they can get away with all this in spite of what a poor job of forgery they’ve done, then this gullible nation deserves everything it will get, and my gut says it will get it very soon. The corrupt media and “conservative” nay-sayers may have bought him enough time to get everything in place.

51 posted on 05/14/2011 7:06:29 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: dinodino

When did the HDOH officially confirm that the most recent release is authentic?

If they did, it means precious little, given the law-breaking they’ve already done AND the fact that Janice Okubo said they couldn’t tell anybody if they knew of a forgery. But I’ve never seen where they did that so I’m curious to see your source for that.

This seal isn’t even the same size as the seal on the Factcheck photo. That doesn’t take a whole lot of analysis. It’s blatant. If something that blatant isn’t enough to raise serious alarms then we may as well roll over and die because NOTHING would ever raise alarms.

And that’s exactly why I’m saying this is - as Joe Biden would say - a big f-in’ deal. If we can overlook these blatant red flags and total lawlessness in our government agencies regarding the issue of whether an illegal, usurping enemy of this nation has managed a coup.... then we may as well wear a sign on our back saying, “Terrorists come get me; the door is wide open, we have no alarms, and we’re totally unarmed.”

I stand amazed that this once-great country has lost its will to live. We’re dying by suicide.

52 posted on 05/14/2011 7:16:15 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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There is no reliable evidence that he had ANY record in Hawaii in 1961.

This latest forgery uses an age for Obama Sr that - if any of the INS records are actually genuine - was based on a birth date that Obama Sr didn’t claim until 1963.

The newspaper announcements are most likely forgeries, given the tampering that can be documented, the fact that the Hawaii State Archive now claims it doesn’t have the paper copies it’s listed as having, and the fact that we were lied to about where the online images of the announcements before the election actually came from (they actually all came from somebody working at the Honolulu Advertiser office, perhaps in conjunction with somebody at Wikileaks who performed the less-obvious Advertiser forgery using OCR).

I haven’t posted it yet, but I have proof that the HDOH is using two different versions of their 1960-64 birth index. Tsunamigeno looked at one which didn’t have Obama’s name in it. Shortly after that they started requiring sign-in sheets for anybody to look at the birth index and the version they’ve had out for the public to see lacks the date range in the heading and has Obama’s name in it. The HDOH sent me two different versions of (supposedly) exactly the same page from the 1960-64 birth index book - one having the date range heading and the other not.

In addition, I know for a fact that their 1960-64 birth index includes the birth names of adopted children, even though the original birth records are legally invalid and are sealed. So the birth index list they use right now includes legally non-valid and/or sealed records. That is a violation of Hawaii law. It is contempt of court. And it renders everything in their birth index moot because we have no idea which records are legally-valid and which are not.

It also tells us just how criminal the HDOH is willing to be in ordert to cover for Obama. And right now the nation needs to know why. We need to know what the sticks and/or carrots were, to get them to do this. It is CRITICAL that we know what those sticks and carrots were, because they must have been whoppers. But then, having access to the nuclear football and the power to control EVERY GOVERNMENT AGENCY in the federal government through unaccountable “czars” is a pretty big prize...

53 posted on 05/14/2011 7:35:16 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

You are COMPLETELY missing the point. The Hawaiian DoH say they released the BC; ergo, the stamp is a non-issue.

Here is where they take credit for the BC, just in case you were so focused on the stupid embossed seal that you missed it:

54 posted on 05/14/2011 8:09:24 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: butterdezillion

The evidence keeps mounting. Soetoro’s days are numbered.

55 posted on 05/14/2011 8:17:48 AM PDT by Article2-Section1-Clause 5
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To: dinodino

The HDOH saying they released a birth certificate has no bearing on whether what Obama posted was the same thing as what they released. And their standard boilerplate - and what they say on their site - is that OBAMA RELEASED something. They’ve already said that they WILL NOT SAY whether something released is or is not a forgery. So what they’ve got is totally passing the buck to Obama.

And what the HDOH has actually said doesn’t match what Obama presented. Fukino said Obama’s birth record is half-typed and half handwritten. What Obama released is all typed except the signatures. So even on the surface the HDOH’s claims refute the genuineness of what Obama presented. When you factor in that the HDOH has indirectly confirmed that Obama’s birth record was amended in 2006 and that the “date filed” is incompatible with the BC#, you’ve got as close as we can possibly come to the HDOH outright stating that everything Obama has presented is a forgery.

This is serious stuff. I will grant that there are other serious issues as well - like every government record Obama supposedly has showing the same kinds of forgery and/or record manipulation and agency cover-up as is evident with the HDOH. This is VERY serious stuff. It suggests that the same threats that Obama’s people are documented as using on the media, they apparently also used on multiple government agencies.

At this point the only crazy people in the world are those who are NOT wondering exactly what threat he used on these people, to totally undo the rule of law in the United States of America.

I humbly propose that the unprecedented tornadoes, flooding, earthquakes, and volcanoes we’ve seen are within the capability of our technology to manufacture through HAARP, and that the Soros machine may have at its disposal a stick so large that it could threaten to annihilate any given area while still having plausible deniability.

If what I’ve seen is correct, FEMA inquired about millions of underwater body bags for use in a crisis in the New Madrid Fault Zone. We’ve been told that an earthquake of 7.7 or more is “expected” for that area soon, and the request for that number of body bags suggests that they “expect” an earthquake at a time when Mississippi River water levels are high enough that an earthquake would cause levees to break and thus cause major flooding in high-population areas.

Next week FEMA is supposed to have a “drill” for just such a scenario. Next week is also when the Mississippi River is supposed to peak at its largest capacity ever. An earthquake timed precisely when the water is highest would break the levees and cause flooding to intense and sudden that millions would be killed. Which would require millions of underwater body bags...

Call me crazy, but if I lived along the Mississippi River I would get out of there as fast as a car could take me. Before next week for sure. And even where I’m at I’m bracing myself for martial law.

I find it hard to believe that Obama would post this blatant a forgery unless he was counting on there being no election in 2012. We’re already set up for a “terrorist attack” to hit any time as a result of the Bin Laden killing (which could have been done at any time and was specifically chosen for now), and FEMA has had a New Madrid Fault Line scenario such as next week presents in mind for a while.

And there has been a LOT of HAARP activity that surrounded the storms that resulted in the night-time tornadoes that were so deadly as well as the unprecedented concentrated rainfall amounts.

Every time Obama opens his mouth he lies, and when he “comforted” Birmington, AL he said that we can’t control where these storms occur but we can control how we respond to them. Considering the HAARP signals that were used to control where the deadly storms occurred I had to laugh ironically at his Freudian need to deny what nobody at that point was even accusing him of.

If what I’ve read is correct, the US governent in the 1980’s acknowledged that we have the technology to control the weather, earthquakes, and volcanoes. My daughter, just out of curiosity, asked her high school science teacher if we have the ability to control the weather. He said we have the ability to control WHERE particular weather events happen.

And it just so happens that huge rainfalls happened in the New Madrid Fault area, causing flooding of the Mississippi River after FEMA inquired about millions of underwater body bags for an event in the New Madrid Fault area...

Also interestingly, at a time when our national security is supposedly on high alert for terror attacks, one of our navy radar ships is docked in Seattle for “maintenance”. I don’t know enough about the science of it to know the significance, but it is the radar that would detect “x waves”, IIRC.

So if you’re thinking that I’m ignoring the bigger picture, I assure you that I’m not. It is a CRITICAL national security risk to have a foreign enemy in control of so much technology and to have an entire government and media that is engaged in so much criminal activity on behalf of somebody allied with both the communists and Islamists who have sworn to destroy this country.

If there are any military officers reading this, all I can say is that the oath to protect and defend the US Constitution has never been so critical, and the existence of this nation is TRULY and CONCRETELY imperiled by a foreign enemy being tolerated as Commander-in-Chief. It may be too late to stop his intended destruction. When martial law is declared, though, you will have to decide whether you serve the enemy of this nation, or whether you honor your oath. Time is running out. You need to come up with answers now.

Could this all be bunk? Yes. But with a non-credible government and media it’s a high-stakes game of “chicken” being played here. I’ve seen what the Soros thugs are willing to do, and I’ve seen the rule of law utterly trampled by multiple government agencies. Somebody has apparenty convinced them that refusal to cooperate would result in something worse than life in jail. I see no reason to believe these people are incapable of doing this.

I can’t say this is definitely going to happen, but I also can’t say it definitely isn’t going to happen.

And that should scare the crap out of all of us.

56 posted on 05/14/2011 9:35:04 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Article2-Section1-Clause 5

See my post 56. Soetoro may be counting on the clock running out on all legal processes before anybody can stop what he’s really after.

Such a blatant forgery could be a diversion, to keep people from focusing on the imminent act that will bring his communist-Islamist coup to completion.

I know it sounds crazy, but everything we’ve seen in the last 2+ years is crazy. Crazy but very, very real nonetheless.

57 posted on 05/14/2011 9:39:11 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

I’m beginning to think you are mentally deranged. Forgetting all that crap about HAARP and Navy ships in drydock, how do you figure that the HDOH are not confirming the Obama birth certificate? They LINK TO IT FROM THEIR SITE.

If you are unable to exercise basic critical thinking skills, you should perhaps consider passing the torch to someone else who can.

58 posted on 05/14/2011 10:32:12 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: dinodino

Show me where they ever said this was what THEY released. Maybe they did; I haven’t looked at their stuff because I already know they are liars and I do have a lot of other stuff on my plate and mind today, as I thought my last post made abundantly clear. If you could just pull out their quote where they said they are linking to the document THEY released, I would appreciate it. Should be a piece of cake if it’s there.

You have a decidedly angry and condemning tone. People who have seen my work know about my critical thinking skills. And at this point I don’t care whether you or anybody else thinks I am mentally deranged. What I care about is facts. As many facts as I can find.

On another note, I hadn’t realized that US plans for emergency aid to Haiti were worked out the DAY BEFORE THE EARTHQUAKE hit Haiti, so that on the day the earthquake hit there were pallets of equipment in Miami ready to be shipped to Haiti for a “drill” they had scheduled to take place in Haiti shortly thereafter. The guy who took over US operations in Haiti just so happened to be in Haiti the day the earthquake hit and the supplies were already packed up in Miami just waiting shipment.

The description of how they wanted everybody to be prepared (churches, military, social organizations, networking, etc) is eerily similar to the notice I’ve seen regarding next week’s “drill” for a New Madrid Fault catastrophe.


59 posted on 05/14/2011 10:53:49 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: dinodino

OK. I couldn’t resist. I checked what the HDOH had on their site. They said that OBAMA posted a certified copy of his original BC. The HDOH never linked to an image at all but to the White House article which CLAIMED that they posted his certified copy which could be seen by clicking on a link in that article.

So they are basically pointing to OBAMA’S CLAIM that he posted a certified copy.

The White House article also said that the COLB could be seen by clicking on a link which ultimately took a person to a COPY from a Snopes page. lol

60 posted on 05/14/2011 11:15:54 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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