Posted on 05/13/2011 12:40:26 PM PDT by butterdezillion
Is there a way I could make that more clear, or bring out that point?
Also, is anybody else having Internet Explorer say it has “encountered a problem” and needs to shut down when they click on the link for the PDF? I’ve asked BirtherReport (obamareleaseyourrecords) to post the whole thing just to make sure people can get to it, since somebody 2 days ago when I first posted it noted that problem and I was having the same problem last night as well. Apparently somebody in a position to do something about it doesn’t want people seeing that PDF.
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Butterdezillion: I too believe that Obama is a liar and a fraud when it comes to telling us about his background.
I have been reading your many excellent posts about Obama's long form birth certificate controversy over the past several years. I have enjoyed reading them very much, and I have always apprciated and admired the obvious hard work you have put into trying to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama is a liar and a fraud as I know he is.
So it saddens me to read your message above where you accuse secret human intervention as possibly being the cause of recent floods, tornadoes, and earthquakes, when we know that such floods, tornadoes, and earthquakes have brought havoc and sorrow to this land area we call The United States of America long before Christopher Columbus landed in the Americas in 1492.
For instance, for you to accuse humans of secretly causing the devastating recent floods along the Mississippi River and of secretly causing the recent horrible tornadoes that swept through the South a few weeks ago is a little too much for my taste. Seriously, I thought you were more logical and reasonable than that.
Again, I'm sorry that you think that way, because such thinking may damage your credibility with posters like me when you present new, strong evidence that Obama is a liar and a fraud.
Anyway, all I can say is that I will continue to appreciate your hard and tireless work in seeking evidence that Obama is a liar and a fraud. Please keep up the good work.
“So basically from what was in that gaggle report put out by the White House (full transcript at http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/04/27/press-gaggle-press-secretary-jay-carney-4272011 ), what happened was somebody handed out photocopies to the reporters, a guy came out holding a green piece of paper that none of the reporters could really see and claimed it had a seal on it, they did some Q/A wherein the lawyers lied through their teeth about Hawaii policy and what they had already supposedly done and how there weren’t any questions or concerns about Obama’s documentation between 2008 and now, and then the guy who supposedly had the copy of the BC took it with him and Obama came in and lectured about how he shouldn’t have to show anything to anybody but is willing to give this lecture because there are some real kooks out there who won’t ever believe anything anyway.”
Disgusting, isn’t it? It’s the perfect use of Alinsky + lies. Lie to the people WHILE mocking them, to keep them shut up.
“Is there a way I could make that more clear, or bring out that point?”
No, hon, you explained it well. I was just slow to get it.
I agree with John. Your work on the documents as well as the” from the top down” corruption and crimes committed by officials to cover up Obama’s ineligibility and Constitutional runarounds is logical and provable. You are a great researcher and you’ve done excellent work.
Avoid all comments about natural disasters being caused by the admin or Soros. It hurts your hard work and injures your credibility.
“So it saddens me to read your message above where you accuse secret human intervention as possibly being the cause of recent floods, tornadoes, and earthquakes...”
Why would you be sad about Obama’s Weather Machine and the Earthquake Maker?
Look on the bright side. After the 2012 elections and Sarah Palin or Donald Trump becomes president, we will have perfect weather everywhere!
Just enough rain to irrigate our bountiful crops and no floods and no droughts.
And we won’t have to worry about hurricanes and earthquakes in the USA.
See, you just assume that the Weather Machine and Earthquake Maker will be used to do bad things. But, in the right hands, the Weather Machine and Earthquake Maker can be put to good purposes.
Why would you be sad about Obama’s Weather Machine and the Earthquake Maker?
Look on the bright side. After the 2012 elections and Sarah Palin or Donald Trump becomes president, we will have perfect weather everywhere!
Just enough rain to irrigate our bountiful crops and no floods and no droughts.
And we won’t have to worry about hurricanes and earthquakes in the USA.
See, you just assume that the Weather Machine and Earthquake Maker will be used to do bad things. But, in the right hands, the Weather Machine and Earthquake Maker can be put to good purposes.
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KAPIOLANI HOSPITAL CONSPICUOULSY MUTE CONCERNING OBAMA'S LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE CONTROVERSY? WHY?
I believe that Obama is a liar and a fraud when it comes to what he has told us about his past.
That being said, the "earthquake" that I am waiting for day after day is a public announcement from Kapiolani Hospital that goes something like the following annoucment that could drive a dagger through the hearts of every so-called "birther" and help tremendously in finally putting this Obama long form birth certificate controversy to rest:
"We at Kapiolani Hospital wish to verify that President Obama was born here at Kapiolani Hospital like it says on the Obama's long form birth certificate that was released on April 27, 2011 at a White House press conference.
"In addition, President Obama has agreed to allow a small, select group of reporters from the major news organizations to examine and take photos of some of his mother's hospital records of Aug. 4, 1961, the day Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital.
"We hope that by allowing reporters to examine and photo some of Obama's hospital records, we will finally put this Obama long form birth certificate controversy to rest."
But for someone unknown reason, Kapiolani Hospital has remained conspicuously silent about Obama's long form birth controversy even though Obama released his long form birth certificate a few weeks ago on April 27, 2011.
Why is that? Why won't Obama allow Kapiolani hospital to release his mother's records from Aug. 4, 1961, the day Obama claims that he was born in the hospital?
I might eat my words later, but could the answer be a simple one: There are no records of Obama's mother being a patient there on Aug. 4, 1961, Obama's birth date, because she was never a patient there on Aug. 4, 1961.
There is evidence of HAARP being used in those particular areas, and my understanding is that Gorbachev was so concerned about the potential danger of this technology that he wanted the world powers to ban it. That’s pretty heavy stuff. It was interesting to me that my daughter’s high school teacher told her so matter-of-factly that we do have the power to control where certain weather events occur. I remember reading a long time back about experiments showing that a small amount of sonar applied to just the right place to take advantage of resonance could bring down buildings. There’s a quote from a past official (I think in Reagan’s administration?) where it is acknowledged that we have the technology to control weather and to initiate earthquakes and volcanic activity.
Of course, as you said, those things have been happening naturally also so it could just be natural forces. Sometimes it’s hard to tell what is natural and what is manipulated. But there is evidence of HAARP signals being used in the particular areas where the great storm damage occurred and preceding the large earthquakes. So that raises questions.
I can’t turn my epistemology of examining evidence off and on. I have to go where the evidence takes me.
I’m not ready to say that I KNOW anything, but there is a lot of evidence that sits in the back of my mind right now so that I wouldn’t be surprised at anything at this point. Like everybody else, all I can do is wait and see. But we do have this technology, and so do other entities in the world. 9-11 was unthinkable to us on 9-10-01 even though we had been through smaller attacks for quite some time.
My point in even bringing up the issue, knowing full well that it would make me an easy target to be labeled a “crazy conspiracist”, is so that those who live in the worst danger zone can do their own checking and decide whether they think the threat is credible. I’d have to be a pretty small person to consider my own reputation to be more important than the lives of those who could be saved by timely information. I would rather give too much information and have others dismiss it as crazy, rather than live with the regret of knowing that I might have done something to prevent great suffering but my own vanity meant more to me than their lives.
It’s easy for us to say what a wimp Bill O’Reilly is, for not being willing to stick out his neck to defend the Constitution. But he thinks a conspiracy of this size is unthinkable, so it is a waste of time to look at the evidence. And he doesn’t want to lose his credibility by even listening to or entertaining the possibility of such a crazy proposition.
We ask, “Isn’t it worth at least checking out, since the consequences are so dire if what some people suspect turns out to be true? Isn’t it worth even checking on, to make sure?”
Bill O’Reilly doesn’t want to stick out his neck out about eligibility for the same reasons I hesitated to say anything about HAARP. Nobody wants to be subjected to ridicule and nobody wants to be seen as gullible, if it turns out that what was suspected isn’t actually true.
I’ve decided that on most things we not only don’t know what’s real but have no way of knowing what’s real. I guess that makes me an agnostic on most things. So how do we deal with the inability to know anything for sure? We could say it’s pointless to even try to know anything. We could say truth must not matter if we can never find it for sure. We could give up on it and not think about anything except what to cook for supper. There are a lot of responses.
One of the reasons for obfuscation is so that people will become frustrated at their inability to get answers and will decide it’s a waste of time to try. It’s a waste of time to file lawsuits. It’s a waste of time to vote. It’s a waste of time to resist... That’s the demoralization process we’ve all been subjected to for a long, long time. The nihilistic and post-modern belief that nothing really matters anyway.
My response is to say that I will follow the evidence as best I am able. When somebody points out something that calls into question what I think I know, I will test it. That’s all I can do, and I refuse to be ashamed of earnest inquiry.
I hope that’s not a put-off. I don’t know what else could be done. I’ve heard a lot of people saying they don’t understand how the country could be in the mess it’s in, that it doesn’t even feel like America any more. We’re watching all the infrastructure be taken over. We’re seeing such extreme stuff.
But we are totally closed to the possibility that extreme effects may come from extreme causes. It seems like a logical suggestion to me - like math and science would say - but society isn’t really functioning logically these days. It’s too scary. And that’s understandable. We want to be comfortable, and nothing about the course of our world right now is comfortable.
“It was interesting to me that my daughter’s high school teacher told her so matter-of-factly that we do have the power to control where certain weather events occur. “
Did this high school teacher also mention that George Soros controls the Weather and Earthquake Making Machines?
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1. Famous San Francisco, Calif. earthquake in the early 1900s.
2. Famous San Francisco, Calif. earthquake in 1970s.
3. Oklahoma dust bowls of the middle 1900s.
4. Recent terrible tsunami in Japan.
5. Terrible hurricane in Galveston, Texas in the early 1900s.
6. Famous volcano that buried Pompeii in Italy in ancient times.
7. Drought that is gripping Texas right now.
8. Vicious snowstorms that greeted pioneers in the Rockie Mountains who were moving from the east coast to the west coast in the 1800s.
9. And I could go on and on about natural disasters that occurred in the United States long before the Computer and High Tech age.
I don't know about you, but I wonder what the high school teacher you mention has to say about those terrible incidents I mention above: Would he say that they were caused by some secret, high tech human devices, or would he say that they were caused by nature itself?
Myself, I would start worrying about what my child was learning in high school when a high school teacher starts trying to influence easily impressionable high school kids with the idea that secret man-made high tech machines are causing natural disasters that we see in the United States and in the rest of the world.
Your high school teacher might be a great teacher, but he/she should be careful about what he/she tells very impressionable high school kids about the source/cause of natural disasters occurring today, like floods, tornadoes, earthquakes, and hurricanes.
If we have the power to impact weather, any honest science teacher would acknowledge that when specifically asked, as this teacher did. That doesn’t mean that all weather is manipulated, but it allows that some of it COULD BE. Sort of like computer hackers CAN break into computers remotely but that doesn’t mean all computer troubles are a result of hackers. The way you know which are and which aren’t is by studying the evidence.
To acknowledge the technological capabilities does not make a person crazy or illogical. It’s just recognizing reality. Right now we have the capability of cloning. That doesn’t mean that everybody I meet on the street is Frankenstein, but it does mean that there are new possibilities, including some that could get pretty frightening in the wrong hands. How would we know if something frightening WAS happening? By evaluating the evidence. That’s all we can do.
This bugs you, I can tell. I’d be happy to just drop it. Hopefully nothing will happen and by this time next year I’ll be shaking my head wondering how I ever thought such a thing was a possibility.
“Forgetting all that crap about HAARP...” ...wowzer, that sounds similar to “Forgetting all that crap about forged documents...”.......just as the birther skeptics should research the facts about the fake certificate, it might be a good idea to research HAARP before you are so dismissive...but of course, calling someone an idiot (or “mentally deranged”) without researching their argument, is certainly permissible and you have lots of company in that ‘don’t bore me with the facts’ world.
Sure thing, whatever you say. Should I ‘bore you with the fact’ that you replied to a year-old post? Has anything come out in the many months since I posted that to prove that HAARP is for controlling the weather?
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