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President Obama’s Birth Certificate PDF has “Layers”
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Posted on 04/27/2011 11:25:17 AM PDT by Mr. K

When viewing the PDF in Adobe the text can be removed and added in Layers

You can compress all layers down to one, but someone clearly did not do that last step to make a good forgery


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KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; layers; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamalegacy; shrek; transparency; victory; waronerror
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Thank you for that info, first I’ve heard it but it does answer that question.


201 posted on 04/27/2011 1:03:43 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: JennysCool

Thanks! One of my Mother’s friends just sent us a onesie with an RNC elephant logo and “Weepublican” embroidered under it.


202 posted on 04/27/2011 1:03:46 PM PDT by GunRunner (10 Years of Freeping...)
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To: brytlea

Beats me!


203 posted on 04/27/2011 1:04:52 PM PDT by Salamander (Appalachian Headhunter Extraordinaire.)
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To: GunRunner

Because of poor scanning or dumb photo editing, there are enough questions now to allow Hawaii to let a team of partisan and independent investigators in to see this actual document in the bound book that it apparently is in.

Get it done.

Trump, where are you on this?


204 posted on 04/27/2011 1:05:37 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: Mr. K

see here also

http://www.nkyvoice.com/2011/04/long-form-birth-certificate.html


205 posted on 04/27/2011 1:06:02 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: kcvl
Just a question. Why in Obamas certificate does the state and county show as Honolulu, Hawaii and Susan Nordykes says Honolulu, Oahu?

Wonder if that was just an error or if the custom was to use Honolulu, Oahu? It would be interesting to see if the Hawaii which is factually correct, was in regular use back in 1961.

Just sayin.

206 posted on 04/27/2011 1:06:54 PM PDT by suijuris
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To: All

Has someone just looked at the “Document Properties” in Adobe reader? (sorry haven’t read the whole thread).

This indicates
PDF Producer: Mac OS X 10.6.7 Quartz PDFContext
PDF Version: 1.3 (Acrobat 4.x)

Question: Do they use Macs in the Hawaii state offices?


207 posted on 04/27/2011 1:08:29 PM PDT by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: gnickgnack2

oops, my bad. two diff addresses were for mother.


208 posted on 04/27/2011 1:08:40 PM PDT by gnickgnack2 (QUESTION obama's AUTHORITY)
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To: GunRunner

All I am saying is that the theory that OCR was used and is responsible for what we see in the separate layers requires belief of some very curious things.

I remain agnostic on the issue at large. I am mainly curious as to why the entire situation has proceeded as it has. Rather than scrutinize this image, I would really like to know why Obama spent more than two years and a sizable chunk of change fighting the release of this only to unceremoniously release it now. I would really like to know why various people in the state of Hawaii said 50 different (and contradictory) things about this issue. I’m a research scientist and an engineer. This is how I think.


209 posted on 04/27/2011 1:10:24 PM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: sr4402
Even if flattened, the evidence is still there. Digital images are componsed of blocks. All of the material in the first layer is composed of one size blocks. All of the material in the second layer, including the green hash background are larger blocks. That can't happen in a single source document.

Maginify the document to maximum and it is easy to see. Import it into photoshop and you can magnify more and photoshop adds a grid that makes it even easier to see.

210 posted on 04/27/2011 1:10:38 PM PDT by CMAC51
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To: bIlluminati
OCR doesn't selectively make layers for the two most important signatures and three date stamps. Nor does OCR split the word Kansas and None in box 17.

There are separate OBJECTS, not necessarily ‘layers’.

211 posted on 04/27/2011 1:10:45 PM PDT by OweBamaLies
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To: navysealdad

There are two copies of cerificates of twins born on the same day, same hospital at The Obama Files -

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/NordykeTwinsBirthcertificate.jpg


212 posted on 04/27/2011 1:11:23 PM PDT by Carlos the Iguana ("The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing...")
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What I don’t understand is why Mr. Oboma had to go to the state to get a copy of both versions of his BC. Didn’t he have his own copy? What has he used all his life? Surely he has needed to provide it at various times over the years.


213 posted on 04/27/2011 1:12:14 PM PDT by kadeeu
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To: brytlea

I just found it a couple days ago myself. I never bothered to research the “African isn’t a race” claim until then. I got tired of the same rumors with no answers. So, I spent ten minutes to look it up. It answers the question in my mind.

Many have disregarded it because of the source. So I may actually take the time to find the data on ancestry.com. The child was born in 1907, so it should be available somewhere. If I look and find it, I’ll post it and ping you to it.


214 posted on 04/27/2011 1:12:45 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. *4192*)
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To: GunRunner

Ha! My in-laws sent us a Ronald Reagan onesie when we had our little one last summer! Sounds like both our kids got a great start. Congrats again!


215 posted on 04/27/2011 1:12:55 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: navysealdad

There are two copies of cerificates of twins born on the same day, same hospital at The Obama Files -

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/NordykeTwinsBirthcertificate.jpg


216 posted on 04/27/2011 1:12:59 PM PDT by Carlos the Iguana ("The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing...")
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To: deep

Amen to your post 154. I’ve signed hundreds of birth certs at work and this one was in the same vein. Let’s get him out of office because of his enormous faults and errors, not some Art Bell theory!


217 posted on 04/27/2011 1:13:17 PM PDT by Moonmad27 ("I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." Jessica Rabbit)
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To: Mr. K
The answer would appear to be in posts 95, 121, 122, and 138.

Apparently there is commonly used software (Adobe Acrobat, I would surmise) that does Optical Character Recognition on a scanned document in the process of converting it to a PDF, and splits the scanned image into actual text where it detects characters that can be converted, plus images, then recombines those into the pdf.

Apparently it does this for the sake of making the resulting document text-searchable.

Again, in order to challenge the validity of this document, as far as I can tell, one needs to:

1. Demonstrate that the certificate the White House released is NOT what was received from Hawaii.

or,

2. Demonstrate that the certificates the State of Hawaii supplied are themselves forged.

or,

3. Demonstrate that the letter posted from Loretta J Fuddy is a forgery.

Unless you can do one (or more) of the three, and do so in an iron-clad manner, you really don’t have anything (as far as I can tell) that demonstrates the new certificate is a forgery.

The presence of layers in the PDF could well turn out to be relevant to one of the three items above, but unless you can convincingly demonstrate the layers aren’t “innocently” there, that fact alone does not seem sufficient to label the release a forgery.

OR: Find another angle (e.g., Leo Donofrio's) by which the document is irrelevant and Obama is ineligible in spite of having been born in the US. I haven't delved deeply enough into Donofrio's writings, but I have seen at least one judicial writing going back (I think) to the mid 1800s that expressed that any person born in the US even of alien parents not of diplomats/ others who were not subject to US jurisdiction is a natural born citizen.

Perhaps it's a dual-citizenship angle, as he was indisputably a dual citizen of the UK/then Kenya and the US. His own web site admits this.

Perhaps he lost his citizenship when adopted by Soetoro. Although the small bit of judicial comment I've seen on this doesn't seem promising, either.

And of course, the other option is to defeat Obama politically based on his wrong-headed and disastrous policies.

218 posted on 04/27/2011 1:14:08 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Ladysforest

HOLY CRAP!!!!! How to explain THAT??? Did the nurse write the date for the women, or something? Still, even if that is the official reason ( and one of the women is still alive to be asked, not that she would remember but she might recognize her own handwriting), who would write the date exactly the same like a photocopy, one day apart?? WEIRD. Are there any other BCs of people born that week in that hospital?

Those mother’s signature dates for Dunham and Nordyke are as alike as a photocopy.

WEIRD....


219 posted on 04/27/2011 1:14:08 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Squidpup

Has someone just looked at the “Document Properties” in Adobe reader? (sorry haven’t read the whole thread).

This indicates
PDF Producer: Mac OS X 10.6.7 Quartz PDFContext
PDF Version: 1.3 (Acrobat 4.x)

Question: Do they use Macs in the Hawaii state offices?


This could explain why they did not catch the layers feature and correct it before posting.

The Mac version of Adobe is different than the PC version and these issues become highlighted when you open the document on a PC.

No way does Hawaii use Macs


220 posted on 04/27/2011 1:14:23 PM PDT by rdcbn
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