Posted on 02/03/2011 4:21:18 PM PST by butterdezillion
The Problem with the Announcement Stories
Two items have been offered as evidence of Barack Obama being born in Hawaii: an online COLB image which the HDOH has indirectly confirmed in 2 different ways as a forgery, and online images of birth announcements in the Hawaii papers shortly after Obama’s birth. This post will explain why I believe we’ve been fed – and swallowed – a lie about where those images came from. Later posts will give a glimpse of just how far it seems somebody was willing to go in order to have something – anything – that would suggest Obama was born in Hawaii, a critical need since Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie told Mike Evans (transcript and audio link) he had gone into both hospitals (Kapiolani and Queens) with a search warrant but found no birth certificate for Obama.
First the claims:
Shortly after Barack Obama’s campaign website posted what they said was Obama’s Certification of Live Birth (COLB) and questions arose regarding its authenticity, Lori Starfelt decided to see if there was a newspaper birth announcement for Obama in Hawaii. She contacted the HDOH and was told that on Fridays they printed out a list of the week’s births; “The Honolulu Advertiser” used that list to print birth announcements in their Sunday paper. So Starfelt calculated that if Obama was born on Friday, Aug 4, 1961, his birth would have been on the list the following Friday, Aug 11th, and should appear in that Sunday’s paper – Aug 13th. She contacted the Hawaii State Library (hereafter HSL), asking for a copy from the microfilm of the Advertiser’s birth announcements on Aug 13, 1961, and was sent an e-mail with an image that had Obama’s announcement on it. She posted that image, along with her story, at Texas Darlin’ Blog around July 21, 2008. (See Post 7679 )
Several days later “Infidel Granny”, posting at Atlas Shrugs Blog, said she had asked a woman at the Advertiser office about birth announcements and was told to check the HSL. She asked the HSL for a copy of the Aug 13, 1961 “Advertiser” birth announcements and the librarian sent an e-mail with the image, saying she had it handy since somebody had just asked for it a week earlier.
On Aug 13th “Koa” at Texas Darlin’ Blog posted an image for the Aug 14th Star-Bulletin announcements, which he/she had copied directly from the HSL archives.
Around Oct 21 a poster at Prius Chat also posted an image of the SB announcement, saying, “Here's a copy I made today of the August 14th (could have been the 15th or 16th), 1961 Star Bulletin newspaper showing Obama's birth announcement stored on microfilm at the Hawaii State Library in Honolulu. I had to enlarge it to the point of losing the top of the page with the date and day in order to make it readable. The microfilm is stored in the basement of the library and was in the box marked Star Bulletin Aug 1, 1961-Aug 16, 1961. ..."
On Oct 29th Whatreallyhappened.com posted images of both the Advertiser and Star-Bulletin images, which were said to be directly from the Star-Bulletin and Advertiser – which both had their microfilms stored at the Advertiser building. Note that he was not told to contact the HSL, as “Infidel Granny” says she was told.
Texas Darlin’ Blog archives, Atlas Shrugs Blog archives, the original article on Whatreallyhappened, and the Wikileaks page which also posted a copy which was a text-searchable file, have all been removed from the web, and the page at Prius Chat requires registration first; neither I nor several others who tried to register were allowed to do so. So the whole story of these claims and the images themselves have been scrubbed, except for fragments (such as the ones I link to) where others discussed and/or copied material, some of which have now been scrubbed from the web also.
I got Starfelt’s Advertiser image from a link referenced elsewhere as being Starfelt’s image, when the image was still available (“Infidel Granny” was given the same image). Whatreallyhappened still has their images posted. The Prius Chat Forum still has the link to their Star-Bulletin image. I copied Koa’s image from Photobucket when it was still available as linked to from the original post atTD Blog. (In my analysis links below I cite where each image came from.) So the images I have used come directly from the original sources.
To verify that I have not altered the images, here are some other places that still have images (as of today), although not necessarily saying the source: Both, Advertiser, Advertiser, Star-Bulletin .
And next the documents themselves:
When a person looks at the documents and claims about the documents, and compares them to what is actually in the Hawaii State Library microfilms, it is obvious why somebody would want these claims buried – although I am not making any specific allegations about who has done what. That should be investigated by someone with subpoena power. Here is a concise summary of what we have:
The Advertiser image that Starfelt and “Infidel Granny” supposedly got from the HSL is pristine. But in reality the HSL microfilms are so scratched up they are nearly unreadable. When a colleague asked the HSL librarian in late April, 2010, for a copy of the Aug 13, 1961 Advertiser birth announcements – the exact image that Starfelt and “Infidel Granny” supposedly got from there - this is what she was told about the condition of the microfilm (emphasis mine):
"As for your request for the Aug. 13, 1961 Honolulu Advertiser birth announcement page, I looked it up, but unfortunately, the microfilm is so worn down on top of being poorly microfilmed, that it is hardly legible. You might be better off asking another library that has a better, less used copy than ours. Or does it have to be the Advertiser? I checked the Star-Bulletin and that date and that film is fine. Let me know."
The Starfelt and “Infidel Granny” images are pristine, with no sign of being “poorly microfilmed”, which would be a constant state for the microfilms, not affected by usage. Those images are clearly not from the HSL microfilms as claimed. However, they match perfectly the images WRH got from somebody at the Advertiser office (with the exception of one C&P line in the left margin below the Asing announcement, which disappeared by the time WRH got a copy). A comparison of the images is here.
Conversely, the Star-Bulletin image – which is the exact same image for WRH, Koa, and the Prius Chat poster (right down to the same piece of hair caught in the viewer when the copy was made and the same waviness in the page being scanned), even though they each claim to have acquired their copy independently, and WRH even claims a different source - has a large scratch down the column of text. But the HSL’s Star-Bulletin microfilms are pristine, including the copy from Aug 14th, where there are no extra marks or scratches anywhere. A comparison of the images is here. To believe the stories of Koa and the Prius Chat poster, you’d have to believe that scratches disappear over time.
Summary:
It is clear that what we were told about where these images came from is not true.
It appears that somebody at the Advertiser office gave out images to select people with the instruction that they were to peddle them off as genuine – the Advertiser image to the librarian at the Hawaii State Library, the Star-Bulletin image to “Koa” and the Prius Chat poster (who may have been the same person), and both images to Whatreallyhappened.com.
This is according to the statements already made and images already made public, which show glaring discrepancies in the stories. There are other discrepancies in the claims which stand out to those who have researched the microfilms as well, and those will be addressed later.
But for now the question is this: Why would somebody at the Advertiser office deceive the public into thinking their birth announcement images were actually copies made directly from the Hawaii State Library microfilms by individuals acting on their own? Why intervene at all, rather than letting these individuals get what really IS in the HSL microfilms? And who was in on this deception?
Those are questions that deserve an answer. Those like Bill O’Reilly and certain “news sources” who cite these images as their reason to ridicule “birthers” would do well to find out exactly why somebody worked so hard to deceive them on where those images actually came from.
Re: my comment, #19 [ or #20, since bumblehand with two broken fingers must have double-clicked the button]:
Obie’s remarks of today are in the 4th paragraph:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/02/03/remarks-president-national...
I’ve wanted to see those for quite a while. My computer won’t allow me to see video. For a while I was using my daughter’s computer but my husband is getting sick of having to wipe the hard drives when I go on other computers.
Thank you, and you’re welcome. Ladysforest has contributed so much of her time and money on this issue, and has written extensively about it also. Her conclusions are not necessarily the same as mine, but I couldn’t have done much of this research at all without her investment in the issue.
The thing that bothers me is how the credibility of the birth announcements is never worth the supposed bigwigs like Bill O’Reilly taking the time and effort to address - until they need to try to beat “birthers” over the head with something. Then all of a sudden the birth announcements are the end-all-and be-all. I wish there would be a way to beat them over the head with some of the facts about this supposed great piece of evidence that they’re claiming makes US look like fools.
Obama has tried to stand on two legs of evidence - the COLB and the announcements. And they are both totally useless. Yet he’s propped up by a media that refuses to see. There is none so blind as he who will not see, and right now we’ve LITERALLY got the blind leading the blind in this nation right over a cliff.
Thanks, Fred. You were on top of this story from the very beginning; you nailed it even before we had the evidence to prove you right. The more information comes out, the more vindicated you must feel. =)
I’ll write it down and hope I don’t lose the list again. Sometimes I wonder where my brain has gone. There’s a guy in our church who says 1/4 cup of blueberries each day has turned around his mental acuity. I’m eating blueberries like never before and I STILL forget so much.
That is very interesting! Thanks for adding the link. Like all full on Malignant Narcissists, Obama considers something (anything) true simply because he says it. It doesn’t have to match up with anything he’s said in the past. Just the fact that the words leave his lips means they are true in his here and now.
Thank you, MSM,for passing this sick fraud off onto the American electorate. /s
I’m not sure if the National Archives have the newspaper microfilms. The Library of Congress has them; ladysforest has gotten copies from there. I hope to post on some of the other discrepancies and anomalies in later posts, but somebody actually changed the label on the microfilm box for the Advertiser microfilm that has Obama’s announcement, and then later changed the call number back to what it originally was - as if they changed it so nobody could find that microfilm for a while (until the microfilm was switched) and then once the microfilm was switched they changed the call number back so it could be “found” again.
To change historic documents in the Library of Congress is a crime, I’m sure. But I don’t expect the Department of Injustice to even think about investigating this.
We have inquired about ordering microfilms from the company which did the microfilming for the Advertiser, but they say they will only allow libraries to order.
I’ll get into it more later, but for the images to be pristine means that the forgeries were probably made from either a master or 2nd-generation microfilm; the Honolulu Advertiser had custody of those. At the very time that these forgeries were apparently made there were efforts to get the archived microfilms for the Advertiser digitized - which is what was so interesting about the Wikileaks image that was released (and I believe that is the image that was linked to from Politifact - but the Wikileaks image is no longer available). It claimed to be the first posting of the announcements even though these other images had been around for a couple months.
What it WAS the first of was the first digitized, searchable file of that announcement. I’ve got a screen shot of the Google entry showing that the file was found by searching for “Norman Asing”. You can’t get the other images by Googling any of the text in the announcements because the other files are jpegs, not pdf’s.
I don’t have the capability of investigating the bigwigs who were working with the Advertiser - and now that the Advertiser doesn’t exist any more the avenue for discovery may be effectively shut down already - but what I suspect is that the “original” has been changed out also, and was submitted for digitization so the full story will never be able to be proven.
I’d have them listen to the audio of Mike Evans saying that Neil Abercrombie told him he had his people go to Kapiolani Women and Children’s Medical Center and Queens Hospital with search warrants and they could not find any birth certificate for Obama at either place. I’ve got the transcript posted together with the link to the audio. If that audio disappears from the web I’ve got the relevant portion - with huge thanks to Quanah for making sure that audio can’t go down the memory hole. I can’t post that audio online because of copyright issues but I have it and can e-mail it for Fair Use purposes.
7,679 posted on Saturday, May 16, 2009 8:52:54 AM by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
There's no joy in vindication - it's now FEBRUARY 2011 almost two years later - and who knows? We cannot penetrate the IRON CURTAIN OF THE MSM.
IS THERE NO POLITICAL OPPOSITION IN THE US OF A?
Thank you for the ping and your hard work on this.
Thank you for pinging me originally, and for your reply. I’m glad you have the audio; it’s just the kind of admission they would like to deny, and pretend never happened. I don’t really need it myself, since I know that Obot trolls are not really looking for the truth. They just want to muddy the water and mislead as many as possible. What a sad way to spend their time.
Anyway, thanks again for posting this thread. This was the first time I realized what major and, frankly, *weird* problems the birth announcements entail. This Obama-Soetoro is a scary, secretive and subversive character. I hope we get to the bottom of his lies and deceptions sooner than later.
Barry is an enigma. Very FEW things/pictures/”friends”/relatives/records have emerged from someone who is 49. Strange. We are constantly told how “smart” he is, but no transcripts.
I happen to believe that despite his location of “birth”, he was ineligible due to “daddy’s” non-citizen status. (Vattel).
There is a reason George Washington checked out Vattel from the library and never returned it. Vattel was very important in the founding of our nation.
I received the standard “Privacy” from my request last year of Kaanapoli Hospital. I stated that I wanted to make a donation in “Honor” of the Presidential “birth” at their hospital, but I wouldn’t make the donation unless he was born there.
They would NOT confirm. To me, this means he was born of another name, given up for adoption, or NOT BORN there at all.
Too few have claimed his “existence” in his past life. pre agitator (community organizer) time period back to his birth and “conception”.
The fix was in when Congress had a hearing on McShamnesty but no vetting or hearings on Barry.
Again, great painstaking work.
BTTT
Good catch. Maybe they’re beginning to figure out that the facts are coming out.
A person can only change their story to match the prevailing winds so many times before people begin to realize you’re a liar through and through.
Obama allegedly told the Egyptian ambassador (who then told about it on TV) that he was born to a Muslim father, was raised by a Muslim stepdad, and was and still is a Muslim who supports the Muslim agenda. He told the Egyptian ambassador that Muslims should give him time to get healthcare reform passed and then he could start working on the Muslim agenda. See http://thewestislamandsharia.blogspot.com/2010/06/i-am-muslim-obama-tells-egyptian.html
Obama is the union of the Islamists and the communists. They are united in Soros and Obama is Soros’ puppet who was put in place by illegal Islamist campaign contributions and the orchestrated run on the bank right when Sarah Palin had brought the 2008 polls back to neck-and-neck.
Do you remember back shortly before the election when the law enforcement union established their “Truth Squads” in Missouri? There were 2 things they were going to make sure nobody could be “untruthful” about: that Obama would raise taxes, and that Obama is Muslim.
In retrospect a person just about has to wonder what those people knew and when they knew it. The breaking of the US economy through a deficit and imminent tax burden that we can never recover from.... and his moves to turn the entire Middle East into an Islamic caliphate are his legacy.
Is there any honest soul who can’t see this? This is a full-on Islamist-communist coup, the forcible takeover of the White House by an enemy combatant.
These are very, very serious times. There is NOTHING funny about the eligibility issue at all, nothing funny about how the entire infrastructure gave way to the great usurper.
He made sure that Iran got the bomb (with help from El Baradai, who is now joining with Muslim Brotherhood, the parent organization to Al Qaeda). Now he’s making sure that chaos will take over Egypt so the Muslim Brotherhood can have control of Egypt and from there the entire Middle East. At the same time he is signing a treaty with Russia to make sure that we can’t develop our missile defense system.
All this while Iran has direct flights of Hamas operatives to Venezuela so they can enter the US through our soft underbelly (which the Department of Injustice is making sure nobody can defend, tying behind their backs the hands of the brave sheriffs and border patrol people who still want to protect and defend this country), even as Iran also moves its missile launch capabilities to Venezuela so ther WMD’s can reach the US as well as Europe - the last supposedly free places that have not totally succombed to Islam.
Not even a boa constrictor could make such deadly moves while the country’s alarms are all asleep.
If people are not afraid yet they never will be. The boa will squeeze all the life out of them before they ever even consider that they might be in danger. Sad. Very, very sad.
Atta-Girl, butter!
I spent an entire evening reading through ladysforest’s contributions on her blog.
Atta-Girl, ladysforest!
Sadly, I know exactly what you mean. It’s frightening, maddening, and saddening.
The crooked media has always been our biggest vulnerability. We have a class of people who swallow whatever those traitors spew, and that is a lethal reality when just one election can get the camel under the tent where it can overthrow everything of value.
Vindication is definitely bittersweet. I would a million times rather have been wrong, and still have the country I’ve loved my entire life.
There’s more too. They went to great lengths to perpetrate this fraud. Tells you just how desperate they are for ANYTHING that might seem credible to the public.
Sadly, a lie makes it around the world several times before the truth can get its shoes tied. Any bets as to when Bill O’Reilly will tell the public we’ve been lied to about the birth announcements?
She’s got a lot there, and she is very meticulous about her research. Definitely a lot of food for thought.
I wish we could break this into the country’s consciousness. It’s really hard to not have a functioning media.
You speak with much wisdom.....
Bill O’Really is being fitted for anew set of knee pads as we speak. I wouldn’t trust him to tell me it was raining in the middle of a monsoon. When the truth comes out about Soetoro, a lot of people will have egg on their face. It can’t happen soon enough.
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